Michael Brown Shooting

PJ_Soul

callen said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Life's a bitch and I don't expect police officers to risk their lives. Really simple. Think next time guys wielding a knife saying "kill me" you should offer your assistance in disarming him. Without harming or hurting his feelings.

How are they risking their lives by tasing or pepper spraying the guy from a distance rather than shooting him dead?
Life's a bitch? Really?
So you would tell the mother of a mentally ill or disabled person "life's a bitch" after the cops shot her kid who didn't even fully understand what he was doing and the cops killed him when they could just as well have tased him?

Tasing doesn't always work. If it did. 100% of time and there was no risk to officer be great.

That makes no sense.

dignin

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Remember, being mentally ill in america seems to make you a scumbag. A mess that needs to be cleaned up.

callen

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Remember, being mentally ill in america seems to make you a scumbag. A mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Not sure if your directing this at me but I see plight of the mentally ill daily and it's appalling how American society does little to anything do agree 100% that it sucks. But to blame the police for wanting to go home to their wife and kids minimizing their risks is nuts. And it's nuts that we want to blame cops for our fucking up. Life sucks and it's too easy to blame cops.

Last-12-Exit

I'm not sure why we've derailed to mental illness. From what I've heard and read, neither the cop or brown was mentally ill.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm not sure why we've derailed to mental illness. From what I've heard and read, neither the cop or brown was mentally ill.

I think we were talking about the dude with the knife on that point. A guy yelling "shoot me!" or whatever he yelled just lead some of us to suggest that he was not mentally stable, which lead us to that topic. Not talking about Brown.

wall232

If you have a weapon and do not comply with an officer’s orders, then yes. Tasing and pepper spray don't always work, I've seen people have both done and they keep going; usually it's someone on drugs or who is mentally ill.

And no, being mentally ill doesn’t make you a scumbag. Being mentally ill and threating an officer and not complying with orders to stop while holding a knife or gun will get you shot.

PJ_Soul

callen said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Remember, being mentally ill in america seems to make you a scumbag. A mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Not sure if your directing this at me but I see plight of the mentally ill daily and it's appalling how American society does little to anything do agree 100% that it sucks. But to blame the police for wanting to go home to their wife and kids minimizing their risks is nuts. And it's nuts that we want to blame cops for our fucking up. Life sucks and it's too easy to blame cops.

Hmm. It doesn't seem all that easy to blame cops to me. But anyway, sometimes the cops do need to be blamed. Certainly not all of them, or most of them, or many of them at all. But there ARE bad cops out there doing bad things, and when that seems to be the case it's right to call them out.... surely you can admit that.

dignin

callen said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Remember, being mentally ill in america seems to make you a scumbag. A mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Not sure if your directing this at me but I see plight of the mentally ill daily and it's appalling how American society does little to anything do agree 100% that it sucks. But to blame the police for wanting to go home to their wife and kids minimizing their risks is nuts. And it's nuts that we want to blame cops for our fucking up. Life sucks and it's too easy to blame cops.

No it wasn't directed at you. I have seen others compare these black men, some obviously mentally ill, as scumbags. That is pretty sad.

Life does suck, but if the cops shot everyone who they come across who is mentally ill and threatening, there would be a lot more dead people on our streets. Most cops are doing it right. These latest cops seem to be doing it wrong.

This new shooting does look like suicide by cop. Guy looked disturbed but not threatening to anyone until the cops showed up. There had to be a better way than shooting him 17 seconds after arrival. I don't know the answer, but there had to be a better way.

rr165892

wall232 said:

Idris said:

And whatever happened to firing 'warning shots' (or is that just in the movies?) or shooting a person's leg(s).

Police are trained to shoot at the largest body mass and that is the torso. Try shooting at someone’s legs but miss and hit a bystander, what would the news stories be then? Also, I’m pretty sure warning shots aren’t something cops do.

I have to find the video of a NYC transit cop getting into a fight on the subway platform. The cop repeatedly tells the man to stand down but the man keeps walking towards him. The cop then pepper spays the man multiple times but it doesn’t stop him. The cop finds himself in a full on brawl, I believe the officer is able to get the situation under control as the video ends before the fight does but what happens if during the brawl the man gets ahold of the cops gun and kills him? Would people say the officer shouldn’t have used pepper spray and just shoot him? The officer is lucky that he was able to go home and see his family that night is all I’m saying.

Decisions need to be made quickly; you don’t have a pause button like in a video game to gather your thoughts. It’s always easy for us to sit here and make judgments on these situations, but for once try putting yourself in a situation that could go wrong quickly, are you really going to worry about some man who was obviously egging the cops on and yelling at them to kill him, or will you worry about your life and the life of your partner?

All true.agreed

callen

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm not sure why we've derailed to mental illness. From what I've heard and read, neither the cop or brown was mentally ill.

Kind of fits with Brown as well. How much risk should cops take.

pjhawks

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

agree. we live in the real world i guess and not some utopia where everything is peace and love as some people on here seem to think can and or will exist.

Idris

So is it confirmed that he had a knife?

rr165892

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Life's a bitch and I don't expect police officers to risk their lives. Really simple. Think next time guys wielding a knife saying "kill me" you should offer your assistance in disarming him. Without harming or hurting his feelings.

How are they risking their lives by tasing or pepper spraying the guy from a distance rather than shooting him dead?
Life's a bitch? Really?
So you would tell the mother of a mentally ill or disabled person "life's a bitch" after the cops shot her kid who didn't even fully understand what he was doing and the cops killed him when they could just as well have tased him?

PJ,how about telling a young lady she is now a widow and her children are fatherless because their dad/husband tried being nice to someone who was coming at him with a deadly weapon.Decisions have to be made in seconds,training kicks in.Not a perfect world.If the guy is challenged,where is his care?If he is so fucked up,who's looking out for him?Too many what ifs.What if he runs and takes a innocent kid hostage,he does have a knife?

Gern Blansten

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?ref=us&_r=1

“It was something strange,” said Mr. Brady, 32, a janitor. “Something was not right. It was some kind of altercation. I can’t say whether he was punching the officer or whatever. But something was going on in that window, and it didn’t look right.”

Mr. Brady said he had been interviewed by county investigators, but not the F.B.I.

Mr. Brady said he could see Mr. Johnson at the front passenger side of the car when he and Mr. Brown suddenly started running. Mr. Brady did not hear a gunshot or know what caused them to run. But he said he did see a police officer get out of the patrol car and start walking briskly while firing on Mr. Brown as he fled.

What happened next could be what the case turns on. Several witnesses have told investigators that Mr. Brown stopped and turned around with his arms up.

James McKnight, who also said he saw the shooting, said that Mr. Brown’s hands were up right after he turned around to face the officer.

“I saw him stumble toward the officer, but not rush at him,” Mr. McKnight said in a brief interview. “The officer was about six or seven feet away from him.”

dignin

pjhawks said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

agree. we live in the real world i guess and not some utopia where everything is peace and love as some people on here seem to think can and or will exist.

Maybe the real world in America, but not the world.

rr165892

Double tap sorry

rr165892

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

Here,here!!!

rr165892

Idris said:

rr165892 said:

pjhawks said:

Idris said:

And whatever happened to firing 'warning shots' (or is that just in the movies?) or shooting a person's leg(s).

well you don't know if the guy has a gun so if you just fire a warning shot or hit his leg you could end up dead if he does have one.

and i suspect if warning shots were fired the neighbors would complain about firing shots needlessly.

Or you hit an innocent bystander,ricochet,etc

You following the story of the cop in downtown Orlando killing a 20 year old with a stray bullet?

Has that been posted on the boards yet?

No,ill check it out later on line.Thx

callen

Yes it suck

dignin said:

callen said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Remember, being mentally ill in america seems to make you a scumbag. A mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Not sure if your directing this at me but I see plight of the mentally ill daily and it's appalling how American society does little to anything do agree 100% that it sucks. But to blame the police for wanting to go home to their wife and kids minimizing their risks is nuts. And it's nuts that we want to blame cops for our fucking up. Life sucks and it's too easy to blame cops.

No it wasn't directed at you. I have seen others compare these black men, some obviously mentally ill, as scumbags. That is pretty sad.

Life does suck, but if the cops shot everyone who they come across who is mentally ill and threatening, there would be a lot more dead people on our streets. Most cops are doing it right. These latest cops seem to be doing it wrong.

This new shooting does look like suicide by cop. Guy looked disturbed but not threatening to anyone until the cops showed up. There had to be a better way than shooting him 17 seconds after arrival. I don't know the answer, but there had to be a better way.

Yes it sucks all the way around. Maybe this incident will save others. Will be going home and cranking one of my favorite PJ songs WMA.

g under p

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Without any color
You couldn't tell,
One face from the other
I don't understand
Why we fight with our brother
Color me blind
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