Michael Brown Shooting

Idris

And I'm sorry, if he was crawling towards the cop with a fork, you would still defend the cop for opening a round? Into the guys body? Cause he refused to listen? Yikes!

dignin

Last-12-Exit said:

dignin said:

Last-12-Exit said:

dignin said:

callen said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Idris said:

Cause its tougher, u don't do it? Not even attempt?

I've seen it done before, it can be done. And this guy was not exactly quick paced, from the video it seems like a leg shot was possible.

Anyway, its just sad. It really is sad what our society is right now.

If you threaten a police officer with knife and walk towards him you deserve to die. Cops should not need to put their safety at risk at all to save a deranged suicidal person. I find it sad that this is not universally accepted.

So if you are mentally ill or disabled or suicidal and not at all lucid or capable of making good decisions you deserve to die?

Remember, being mentally ill in america seems to make you a scumbag. A mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Not sure if your directing this at me but I see plight of the mentally ill daily and it's appalling how American society does little to anything do agree 100% that it sucks. But to blame the police for wanting to go home to their wife and kids minimizing their risks is nuts. And it's nuts that we want to blame cops for our fucking up. Life sucks and it's too easy to blame cops.

No it wasn't directed at you. I have seen others compare these black men, some obviously mentally ill, as scumbags. That is pretty sad.

Life does suck, but if the cops shot everyone who they come across who is mentally ill and threatening, there would be a lot more dead people on our streets. Most cops are doing it right. These latest cops seem to be doing it wrong.

This new shooting does look like suicide by cop. Guy looked disturbed but not threatening to anyone until the cops showed up. There had to be a better way than shooting him 17 seconds after arrival. I don't know the answer, but there had to be a better way.

How in the world can you make the judgement that he wasn't a threat? To those cols arriving on scene, be most certainly was a threat. He was charging at two armed cops with a knife and refused to put it down.

That's not what I said. Go back and read my comment.

Yes I misread your post. Im sorry.

No problem.

gimmesometruth27

Last-12-Exit said:

It seems ridiculous to me that there are people here suggesting that the police "take a leg shot" or "get back in their car" or "fire warning shots." What is wrong with you guys? These guys are out here risking their lives to protect yours.

so the guy stole a honey bun and 2 sodas.

that cost the store less than $2.

i don't need deadly force/protection from that.

if the cops can't act reasonably, which lately none of them seem to be able to, then they need a desk job where they don't have to deal with the public.

as i said before. these cops are bullies, and in most cases the bully is the biggest coward, and the most scared.

wall232

I believe the account the police said was that he was charging the officers with his hand raised. The video doesn't show him charging or his hands raised, but he was still walking towards them with a knife and not complying with their orders.

There will always be disagreements on how things should have been handled but it's hard to say what any of us would do unless we are in that same situation. In this situation the officers were dealing with someone who wasn’t right in the head, you don’t rob a store, wait outside for the cops to arrive and then scream at them to kill you as you approach them with a knife if you’re thinking correctly. Do they tase him and hope he goes down? Have we not all seen videos of people getting tased and it not affecting them? A probe could miss or not stick properly, or the person could be so full of drugs that it doesn’t even bother him. What happens if the cops decided to tase and it doesn’t take affect? By then there might not be enough time to draw your weapon before the man jumps you and then you're fighting for your life against a deranged person.

norm

interesting...
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket

Last-12-Exit

I agree that respect is earned, but in an individual level. People have to respect law enforcement, as a whole. That's why we pull over when we see blue lights in our rearview mirror (yes, I know if you don't, u get a ticket). But you get the point. I can only see two reasons why this guy wouldn't stop: 1) he was intending to hurt the cops or 2) he wanted to commit suicide.

There is a possibility that he was mentally incapacitated at the time, but if that we the case I think he still would have been trying to harm the cops.

Last-12-Exit

He wasn't shot for the robbery, he was shot for threatening the cops

gimmesometruth27

norm said:

interesting...
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket

yeah that is a ct scan alright. a blowout fracture can be seen on plain film x rays, but a ct would show better definition because it takes thin cuts so you can better visualize it. but yeah, i had heard that that blowout fracture story had been debunked because the ct scan was done at university of iowa, which is nowhere near here.

the best way to tell if a ct scan is even indicated is if the patient is unable to move his eye to look up.

wall232

gimmesometruth27 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

It seems ridiculous to me that there are people here suggesting that the police "take a leg shot" or "get back in their car" or "fire warning shots." What is wrong with you guys? These guys are out here risking their lives to protect yours.

so the guy stole a honey bun and 2 sodas.

that cost the store less than $2.

i don't need deadly force/protection from that.

if the cops can't act reasonably, which lately none of them seem to be able to, then they need a desk job where they don't have to deal with the public.

as i said before. these cops are bullies, and in most cases the bully is the biggest coward, and the most scared.

I don’t think it matters what the crime was or how much was stolen. He broke the law and was walking around with a knife. The cops were called in and when they got there they did what they felt was necessary to make sure that he didn’t hurt them or anyone else for that matter when the man wasn’t doing what they were asking him to do. Once again, if the man had complied with the officers orders he would still be alive today. Let’s put the blame on where it should be, a man who was obviously looking to die and decided to do it by suicide by cop.

norm

gimmesometruth27 said:

norm said:

interesting...
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket

yeah that is a ct scan alright. a blowout fracture can be seen on plain film x rays, but a ct would show better definition because it takes thin cuts so you can better visualize it. but yeah, i had heard that that blowout fracture story had been debunked because the ct scan was done at university of iowa, which is nowhere near here.

the best way to tell if a ct scan is even indicated is if the patient is unable to move his eye to look up.

which is why i'm not siding with the police in this matter...yes, ofc wilson was attacked by brown...but by all accounts i've read or seen, it was brief and brown was walking away when wilson started firing...now i understand heat of the moment and adrenaline but once brown turned with his hands in the air, a well trained police officer should know to stop firing...the ferguson police are trying to cover up wilson's mistake and put it all on brown...and that's just wrong

Idris

wall232 said:

I believe the account the police said was that he was charging the officers with his hand raised. The video doesn't show him charging or his hands raised, but he was still walking towards them with a knife and not complying with their orders.

Do they tase him and hope he goes down? we not all seen videos of people getting tased and it not affecting them? A probe could miss or not stick properly, or the person could be so full of drugs that it doesn’t even bother him. What happens if the cops decided to tase and it doesn’t take affect? By then there might not be enough time to draw your weapon before the man jumps you and then you're fighting for your life against a deranged person.

Yes, they taze and hope they go down...if it does not take hold, and the officer gets hurt, 'Occupational Hazard'... Like it was said earlier by someone, the cops are out on the streets risking 'their', 'lives' to PROTECT and SERVE 'us', it was clear the man who was shot had issues, and the cop only protected himself (which is what people are saying) by shooting first, Worries about his life, over the clearly ill man. (I'm not saying the officer should not worry about his own life)

Try non lethal force first, and hopefully you will have enough time to go deadly as a last resort, and in this case, with the man clearly walking very slowly towards the officer, I see no need to go for the multiple shots to kill the man first method.

And this notion that because someone doesn't immediately obey what an office says, that gives the officer justification for killing. What nonsense,

2014, USA, and this is our best way to deal witha crazy(?) Person?

How sad.

wall232

If you are an armed person and you don’t comply with what an officer is saying, then yes, that is justification for an officer shooting at you, especially when a man with a knife is within a few feet of you.

Idris

wall232 said:

If you are an armed person and you don’t comply with what an officer is saying, then yes, that is justification for an officer shooting at you, especially when a man with a knife is within a few feet of you.

Do you see no other way, in this specific case? It was really, truly, necessary?

gimmesometruth27

wall232 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

It seems ridiculous to me that there are people here suggesting that the police "take a leg shot" or "get back in their car" or "fire warning shots." What is wrong with you guys? These guys are out here risking their lives to protect yours.

so the guy stole a honey bun and 2 sodas.

that cost the store less than $2.

i don't need deadly force/protection from that.

if the cops can't act reasonably, which lately none of them seem to be able to, then they need a desk job where they don't have to deal with the public.

as i said before. these cops are bullies, and in most cases the bully is the biggest coward, and the most scared.

I don’t think it matters what the crime was or how much was stolen. He broke the law and was walking around with a knife. The cops were called in and when they got there they did what they felt was necessary to do to make sure that he didn’t hurt them or anyone else for that matter when the man wasn’t doing what they were asking him to do. Once again, if the man had complied with the officers orders he would still be alive today. Let’s put the blame on where it should be, a man who was obviously looking to die and decided to do it by suicide by cop.

i counted 13 gunshots.

that is overkill.

both officers unloaded on him.

how many times do you have to shoot a man when he is down??

wall232

gimmesometruth27 said:

wall232 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

It seems ridiculous to me that there are people here suggesting that the police "take a leg shot" or "get back in their car" or "fire warning shots." What is wrong with you guys? These guys are out here risking their lives to protect yours.

so the guy stole a honey bun and 2 sodas.

that cost the store less than $2.

i don't need deadly force/protection from that.

if the cops can't act reasonably, which lately none of them seem to be able to, then they need a desk job where they don't have to deal with the public.

as i said before. these cops are bullies, and in most cases the bully is the biggest coward, and the most scared.

I don’t think it matters what the crime was or how much was stolen. He broke the law and was walking around with a knife. The cops were called in and when they got there they did what they felt was necessary to do to make sure that he didn’t hurt them or anyone else for that matter when the man wasn’t doing what they were asking him to do. Once again, if the man had complied with the officers orders he would still be alive today. Let’s put the blame on where it should be, a man who was obviously looking to die and decided to do it by suicide by cop.

i counted 13 gunshots.

that is overkill.

both officers unloaded on him.

how many times do you have to shoot a man when he is down??

I will agree that 13 shots seems like a bit much, won't argue that point.

gimmesometruth27

they shot to kill this guy. they only needed one or two shots to be able to subdue and cuff him.

it is clear to me that they had no intention of taking him to the hospital.

they gave him a one way ticket to the afterlife.

bastards.

Idris

wall232 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

wall232 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

It seems ridiculous to me that there are people here suggesting that the police "take a leg shot" or "get back in their car" or "fire warning shots." What is wrong with you guys? These guys are out here risking their lives to protect yours.

so the guy stole a honey bun and 2 sodas.

that cost the store less than $2.

i don't need deadly force/protection from that.

if the cops can't act reasonably, which lately none of them seem to be able to, then they need a desk job where they don't have to deal with the public.

as i said before. these cops are bullies, and in most cases the bully is the biggest coward, and the most scared.

I don’t think it matters what the crime was or how much was stolen. He broke the law and was walking around with a knife. The cops were called in and when they got there they did what they felt was necessary to do to make sure that he didn’t hurt them or anyone else for that matter when the man wasn’t doing what they were asking him to do. Once again, if the man had complied with the officers orders he would still be alive today. Let’s put the blame on where it should be, a man who was obviously looking to die and decided to do it by suicide by cop.

i counted 13 gunshots.

that is overkill.

both officers unloaded on him.

how many times do you have to shoot a man when he is down??

I will agree that 13 shots seems like a bit much, won't argue that point.

Sure, they didn't even really pause between shots, I mean how many shots are "necessary"? As you say yourself, 13 is overkill.

Last-12-Exit

No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

Idris

Last-12-Exit said:

No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

Sorry, but the second they fired that gun, they 'lost' control of the situation.

We differ in mindset, that's fine.

I have no more to say on this.

bootlegger10

Idris said:

Last-12-Exit said:

No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

Sorry, but the second they fired that gun, they 'lost' control of the situation.

We differ in mindset, that's fine.

I have no more to say on this.

So any time a copy fires a gun they have lost control of the situation? The whole point of having a gun is to have the ability to take control of the situation. Your statement doesn't make sense.