Michael Brown Shooting

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

Yes I have kids. And when my kids turn 18 they will still be my babies. But to anyone else, including the law, they are adults.

And yes, it's very possible he missed. I doubt the officer is charged with anything dealing with missed shots. What is your point to him missing?

The point is that the eyewitness accounts stating that Brown was running away are still valid. That there are no bullet holes in his back does not prove that he wasn't running away....that seems to be what you were suggesting above.

That the bullet wounds may or may not reflect that Brown had his hands up is irrelevant. Did he have his hands up at a certain point and put them down? I mean come on.....he was obviously on the receiving end of a barrage of gunfire. No matter his height and weight I doubt that he had experienced much of that. He was obviously running away from the vehicle.....this whole "story" of him charging at the officer is the officers attempt to cover his ass. He got aggressive and killed the "young man."

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

Gern Blansten

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/

(CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.
They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.
And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.
An exclusive video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting.
"He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.
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Photos: Ferguson council meeting Photos: Ferguson council meeting
The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.
"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.
That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."
The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot.
The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.
Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."
The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.
The men said they didn't see how the confrontation started.
Police arrest Michael Brown protesters near interstate
Other witnesses also said teen's arms were raised
An attorney for the man who filmed the video says it was recorded 40 seconds after the shooting.
The video gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case.
The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9.
Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the white officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor.
A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head.
A grand jury is hearing the case and will determine whether Wilson will face any charges.
Protesters were near Interstate 70 and outside the police headquarters Wednesday, pushing for Gov. Jay Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Brown's death.
Analysts debate video's impact
CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin says the video could play an important role in the case.
"You have practically in real time someone discussing what they saw, and that's just good evidence," he said on CNN's "AC360."
Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, says it's important to note that several witnesses are telling the same story.
"They're saying that he was running from the police officer and that his hands were up," she said. "I don't know what other witness testimony at this point or account we have to hear. The bottom line is having your hands up is the universal sign for surrender."
Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.
"I'm not saying disregard them. I'm saying that we will judge their credibility by all of the evidence, not by one statement, and certainly not by a 15-second video clip," he said.

I don't discount that it is possible that Brown was grabbing for his gun....I just don't find it likely.

Regardless....the "young adult" was running away from the officer without a weapon and he was killed for that. Judge/Jury/Executioner

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

pjhawks

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/

(CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.
They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.
And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.
An exclusive video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting.
"He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.
Intense clashes during Ferguson protest Protests disrupt Ferguson town meeting
Photos: Ferguson council meeting Photos: Ferguson council meeting
The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.
"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.
That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."
The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot.
The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.
Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."
The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.
The men said they didn't see how the confrontation started.
Police arrest Michael Brown protesters near interstate
Other witnesses also said teen's arms were raised
An attorney for the man who filmed the video says it was recorded 40 seconds after the shooting.
The video gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case.
The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9.
Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the white officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor.
A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head.
A grand jury is hearing the case and will determine whether Wilson will face any charges.
Protesters were near Interstate 70 and outside the police headquarters Wednesday, pushing for Gov. Jay Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Brown's death.
Analysts debate video's impact
CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin says the video could play an important role in the case.
"You have practically in real time someone discussing what they saw, and that's just good evidence," he said on CNN's "AC360."
Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, says it's important to note that several witnesses are telling the same story.
"They're saying that he was running from the police officer and that his hands were up," she said. "I don't know what other witness testimony at this point or account we have to hear. The bottom line is having your hands up is the universal sign for surrender."
Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.
"I'm not saying disregard them. I'm saying that we will judge their credibility by all of the evidence, not by one statement, and certainly not by a 15-second video clip," he said.

I don't discount that it is possible that Brown was grabbing for his gun....I just don't find it likely.

Regardless....the "young adult" was running away from the officer without a weapon and he was killed for that. Judge/Jury/Executioner

shouldn't it say 'young thief who was in a struggle with a police office was killed because of that?' you grab for a cops gun you are going down. not hard to understand i would think...but clearly some people still don't get it.

Gern Blansten

Yes...clearly some people don't get it. Agreed

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

pjhawks

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

it didn't go down 35 feet from the car but it ended 35 feet from the car. brown was a big kid but i don't think had a 35 foot reach to try and take the cops gun. keep believing your own version as opposed to the facts.

dignin

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

it didn't go down 35 feet from the car but it ended 35 feet from the car. brown was a big kid but i don't think had a 35 foot reach to try and take the cops gun. keep believing your own version as opposed to the facts.

It seems to me that you are the one ignoring the facts because as far as I can tell we don't have many facts yet.

dignin

At least not enough to come to any kind of conclusion. But speculate away.

pjhawks

dignin said:

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

it didn't go down 35 feet from the car but it ended 35 feet from the car. brown was a big kid but i don't think had a 35 foot reach to try and take the cops gun. keep believing your own version as opposed to the facts.

It seems to me that you are the one ignoring the facts because as far as I can tell we don't have many facts yet.

i guess we don't consider a report from an official autopsy to be a fact. ok good to know
:-O

Last-12-Exit

There was gunshit residue on Brown's hand. That means that Brown was at least 18 inches away from the gun. Not 35 feet.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

There was gunshit residue on Brown's hand. That means that Brown was at least 18 inches away from the gun. Not 35 feet.

For one shot he was at least 18 inches away....agreed

He died 35 feet from the car. Did you read the CNN report that I posted that reflects what TWO EYEWITNESSES (white eyewitnesses by the way) saw with their own eyes? He was running away from the officer...the officer was shooting at him...he turned around and received a head shot.

Hello?

Gern Blansten

pjhawks said:

dignin said:

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

it didn't go down 35 feet from the car but it ended 35 feet from the car. brown was a big kid but i don't think had a 35 foot reach to try and take the cops gun. keep believing your own version as opposed to the facts.

It seems to me that you are the one ignoring the facts because as far as I can tell we don't have many facts yet.

i guess we don't consider a report from an official autopsy to be a fact. ok good to know
:-O

What exactly are you referring to from the official autopsy?

Last-12-Exit

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There was gunshit residue on Brown's hand. That means that Brown was at least 18 inches away from the gun. Not 35 feet.

For one shot he was at least 18 inches away....agreed

He died 35 feet from the car. Did you read the CNN report that I posted that reflects what TWO EYEWITNESSES (white eyewitnesses by the way) saw with their own eyes? He was running away from the officer...the officer was shooting at him...he turned around and received a head shot.

Hello?

Hello what? Where was Wilson when the head shot occured? Was he also 35 feet away from the car?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

You think fights occur within a 10 foot radius from where they start?

Hey... I have serious doubts about the cop. I've expressed this before when I said it's my 'hunch' he lost control of his emotions after gaining the upper hand in a fight that could just as easily have ended badly for him (what was brown going to do with the gun if he had wrenched it from the possession of Wilson?).

Whatever doubts I may have reading this story from afar is to try and depict Brown as a sweet, innocent, little child that was ruthlessly slain by a ruthless officer as he was coming home from the convenience store while drinking a squishy.

Do you remember these four 'indisputable' facts I posted:
1. Brown is a criminal.
2. Brown was defiant with authorities when asked to get off the middle of the road.
3. Brown's defiance resulted in a situation escalating in intensity and a physical altercation ensued.
4. Brown was shot dead as a result of this altercation.

These facts alone warrant giving the officer the benefit of the doubt until the final verdict is in.

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

You think fights occur within a 10 foot radius from where they start?

Hey... I have serious doubts about the cop. I've expressed this before when I said it's my 'hunch' he lost control of his emotions after gaining the upper hand in a fight that could just as easily have ended badly for him (what was brown going to do with the gun if he had wrenched it from the possession of Wilson?).

Whatever doubts I may have reading this story from afar is to try and depict Brown as a sweet, innocent, little child that was ruthlessly slain by a ruthless officer as he was coming home from the convenience store while drinking a squishy.

Do you remember these four 'indisputable' facts I posted:
1. Brown is a criminal.
2. Brown was defiant with authorities when asked to get off the middle of the road.
3. Brown's defiance resulted in a situation escalating in intensity and a physical altercation ensued.
4. Brown was shot dead as a result of this altercation.

These facts alone warrant giving the officer the benefit of the doubt until the final verdict is in.

Fair enough.

I'm not saying the kid was innocent....I'm just saying he was most likely killed unjustifiably.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There was gunshit residue on Brown's hand. That means that Brown was at least 18 inches away from the gun. Not 35 feet.

For one shot he was at least 18 inches away....agreed

He died 35 feet from the car. Did you read the CNN report that I posted that reflects what TWO EYEWITNESSES (white eyewitnesses by the way) saw with their own eyes? He was running away from the officer...the officer was shooting at him...he turned around and received a head shot.

Hello?

Hello what? Where was Wilson when the head shot occured? Was he also 35 feet away from the car?

According to the eyewitnesses no he wasn't....he was about 20 feet away guns blazing shooting an unarmed 18 year old full of bullets

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My point to this was that 1) it's looking like, to me, that the eyewitness accounts could be wrong because Brown did not have his hands up and 2) he was not shot in the back.

As far as where his body was, I don't know. As reported in the CNN.com article, Wilson will have to answer for the shots fired after the initial shots that were at close range when Brown was reaching for his.gun.

If you are not going to explain how you can call Brown an 18 year old boy, please stop referring to him as such.

His body was 35 feet from the vehicle. What does that tell you?

Do you have kids? My son is now 21 but at 18 he was still 6'2". Size doesn't matter. At 18 were you magically a responsible adult?

Size does matter. Ask the clerk of the convenience store Brown robbed if they thought Brown was a 'boy' or a 'behemoth'.

And 18, as young as it is compared to 40, doesn't give you a free pass to rob stores, act belligerent, and provoke physical altercations with police.

It wasn't age as much as stupidity that got Brown into the problems he created for himself. My 13 year old knows better and likely knew better at age 6.

None of what you have described gets you a death sentence in the USA. Unless of course you are black and a resident of Ferguson.

He never got a death sentence (at least we don't 'officially' know that yet). He got killed in a fight. There's a difference.

A fight that went down 35 feet from the car....one guy with a gun, one guy with nothing. Got it.

You think fights occur within a 10 foot radius from where they start?

Hey... I have serious doubts about the cop. I've expressed this before when I said it's my 'hunch' he lost control of his emotions after gaining the upper hand in a fight that could just as easily have ended badly for him (what was brown going to do with the gun if he had wrenched it from the possession of Wilson?).

Whatever doubts I may have reading this story from afar is to try and depict Brown as a sweet, innocent, little child that was ruthlessly slain by a ruthless officer as he was coming home from the convenience store while drinking a squishy.

Do you remember these four 'indisputable' facts I posted:
1. Brown is a criminal.
2. Brown was defiant with authorities when asked to get off the middle of the road.
3. Brown's defiance resulted in a situation escalating in intensity and a physical altercation ensued.
4. Brown was shot dead as a result of this altercation.

These facts alone warrant giving the officer the benefit of the doubt until the final verdict is in.

Fair enough.

I'm not saying the kid was innocent....I'm just saying he was most likely killed unjustifiably.

We pretty much see eye to eye then.

norm

wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?

Last-12-Exit

Those eyewitnesses you are counting on so much have been proven wrong. Those eyewitness accounts of brown surrendering with his hands in the air when he was shot are not accurate. How much more faith are you going put in them?

Staceb10

Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

Last-12-Exit

Staceb10 said:

Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

This point will largely be ignored. Reminds me of 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Last-12-Exit

Gern, I think Wilson does have to answer to why he shot so many times. Cops are trained to kill, not injure. IF the facts of the case shows he did not have to shoot that many times, he should be brought to trial. But you have been convicting this guy from day one. Ignoring a lot of key facts that have been released.

Staceb10

Last-12-Exit said:

Gern, I think Wilson does have to answer to why he shot so many times. Cops are trained to kill, not injure. IF the facts of the case shows he did not have to shoot that many times, he should be brought to trial. But you have been convicting this guy from day one. Ignoring a lot of key facts that have been released.

Most of the country has been convicting this guy from day one. Hell they had tributes to Michael Brown on one of the award shows before anyone even knows the whole truth.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

Those eyewitnesses you are counting on so much have been proven wrong. Those eyewitness accounts of brown surrendering with his hands in the air when he was shot are not accurate. How much more faith are you going put in them?

What is your source for them being proven wrong?

Gern Blansten

Staceb10 said:

Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

Wait...forensics can determine if you had your hands in the air? At what point? If I have my hands in the air and you walk up and shoot me in the head with no eyewitnesses will forensics show that I had my hands in the air?

Am I missing something?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

norm said:

wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?

Immediately preceding the incident in question, Brown had robbed a convenience store.

norm

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

norm said:

wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?

Immediately preceding the incident in question, Brown had robbed a convenience store.

interesting...so a person who has not been arrested, charged or convicted of a crime is a criminal...fascinating