Michael Brown Shooting
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Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color neededCliffy6745 said:Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.
Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.0 -
Not you.rr165892 said:
Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color neededCliffy6745 said:Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.
Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.
Although while you say this specific cop doesn't have a history of race issues, it does sound like the entire police force does, in general.
Maybe you should also give the investigators a call since you know so much about how it went down.Post edited by Cliffy6745 on0 -
Ya don't say?Godfather. said:L 12 E and Callen, yeah you guys are right, Im just sick of the whole mess, hay Callen this time it was not an e-mail but you are correct it was not my own homework
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Ohhhhhh boy. Not to hijack the thread, but what would you like to Obama to do about the reporter? Pay ransom to terrorists? Attack ISIS? Have you been paying attention to what is going on in Iraq?Godfather. said:
so do I but the media and the "jesse jackson's & al sharpton's" in the world will never let that happen.hedonist said:What's the context of all of those, GF?
Wish we could see circumstance vs color.
Character vs color.
and I'm just sick and tired of all the unrest going on in the world, the (radical)muslims the looting and race card and obama who is in my opinion
doing the worst job as president than anybody before him ..is he going to sit on his thumb over this beheading of that reporter ? at least Bush would be
kicking some serious ass right about now...maybe I should back off the social media thing and watch the history channel ONLY but as a friend of mine
here in San Diego said "closing your eye's wont make go away" but I sure wish it would.
Godfather.
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Canada also doesn't have the gun related violence the U.S. has. There was an incident in I believe New Hampshire a few months ago where some nut job deliberately started a fire, called 911, and then tried to pick responders off with a sniper rifle. Fucking sick.dignin said:JimmyV said:Agreed about First Responders. They truly never know what they are walking into.
I may be wrong but here in Canada our firefighters and EMT'S don't carry. At least I've never seen them armed. I googled it and couldn't find out for sure.
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They don't. They don't even have guns in their vehicles in the event of an 'incident'.dignin said:JimmyV said:Agreed about First Responders. They truly never know what they are walking into.
I may be wrong but here in Canada our firefighters and EMT'S don't carry. At least I've never seen them armed. I googled it and couldn't find out for sure.
If our country sold assault rifles at every sporting good store and handguns at gas stations, we might see policy changes with regards to that... but for now, there is no need."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
We must be reading different news. Also rr I'm still waiting for a link talking about the dozens of witnesses backing the cops version of the events.rr165892 said:Dosent Holders presence in and of itself play right into the crowd mentality of guilt by accusation.Why this issue for the glorious presences of Holder.
If this cop gets a fair shake I'd be surprised.Its a no win for DA and the Federal Gov should NOT be involved here.There is no pre established racially motivated actions,nor does the cop have a history of race issue.This is a local issue.Elected local officials should be dealing with this.It does not reach a Civil Rights violation.Not a federal issue and would be a slippery slope if they take it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-department-details/14064451/
2. Black people account for most arrests in Ferguson
Last year, black residents accounted for 86% of the vehicle stops made by Ferguson police and nearly 93% of the arrests made from those stops, according to the state attorney general. FBI statistics show that 85% of the people arrested by Ferguson police are black, and that 92% of people arrested specifically for disorderly conduct are black.0 -
What are you saying with point number 2? Are you saying that the black people in Ferguson are particularly disorderly?dignin said:
We must be reading different news. Also rr I'm still waiting for a link talking about the dozens of witnesses backing the cops version of the events.rr165892 said:Dosent Holders presence in and of itself play right into the crowd mentality of guilt by accusation.Why this issue for the glorious presences of Holder.
If this cop gets a fair shake I'd be surprised.Its a no win for DA and the Federal Gov should NOT be involved here.There is no pre established racially motivated actions,nor does the cop have a history of race issue.This is a local issue.Elected local officials should be dealing with this.It does not reach a Civil Rights violation.Not a federal issue and would be a slippery slope if they take it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-department-details/14064451/
2. Black people account for most arrests in Ferguson
Last year, black residents accounted for 86% of the vehicle stops made by Ferguson police and nearly 93% of the arrests made from those stops, according to the state attorney general. FBI statistics show that 85% of the people arrested by Ferguson police are black, and that 92% of people arrested specifically for disorderly conduct are black.
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There may be past cases of intolerance,but in a community dominated mainly by one demographic of people ,with mixed in economic stagnation and a police force who is another demographic I think its easy to see where conflicts like this could be common place.Is it Selma AL in the 60s no way.Are freedoms and rights being suppressed ? no.Are random people being singled out based on color? NoCliffy6745 said:
Not you.rr165892 said:
Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color neededCliffy6745 said:Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.
Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.
Although while you say this specific cop doesn't have a history of race issues, it does sound like the entire police force does, in general.
Maybe you should also give the investigators a call since you know so much about how it went down.
These areas are powder kegs of emotion.IMO its more about economics and the frustration of being trapped within this enviorment.Race just plays as an easy way to vent this built up angst as a scapegoat for the real issues .0 -
How the hell do you know all this?rr165892 said:
There may be past cases of intolerance,but in a community dominated mainly by one demographic of people ,with mixed in economic stagnation and a police force who is another demographic I think its easy to see where conflicts like this could be common place.Is it Selma AL in the 60s no way.Are freedoms and rights being suppressed ? no.Are random people being singled out based on color? NoCliffy6745 said:
Not you.rr165892 said:
Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color neededCliffy6745 said:Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.
Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.
Although while you say this specific cop doesn't have a history of race issues, it does sound like the entire police force does, in general.
Maybe you should also give the investigators a call since you know so much about how it went down.
These areas are powder kegs of emotion.IMO its more about economics and the frustration of being trapped within this enviorment.Race just plays as an easy way to vent this built up angst as a scapegoat for the real issues .
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To me it infers racial profiling. What does it say to you?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
What are you saying with point number 2? Are you saying that the black people in Ferguson are particularly disorderly?dignin said:
We must be reading different news. Also rr I'm still waiting for a link talking about the dozens of witnesses backing the cops version of the events.rr165892 said:Dosent Holders presence in and of itself play right into the crowd mentality of guilt by accusation.Why this issue for the glorious presences of Holder.
If this cop gets a fair shake I'd be surprised.Its a no win for DA and the Federal Gov should NOT be involved here.There is no pre established racially motivated actions,nor does the cop have a history of race issue.This is a local issue.Elected local officials should be dealing with this.It does not reach a Civil Rights violation.Not a federal issue and would be a slippery slope if they take it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-department-details/14064451/
2. Black people account for most arrests in Ferguson
Last year, black residents accounted for 86% of the vehicle stops made by Ferguson police and nearly 93% of the arrests made from those stops, according to the state attorney general. FBI statistics show that 85% of the people arrested by Ferguson police are black, and that 92% of people arrested specifically for disorderly conduct are black.
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It begs consideration for sure.dignin said:
To me it infers racial profiling. What does it say to you?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
What are you saying with point number 2? Are you saying that the black people in Ferguson are particularly disorderly?dignin said:
We must be reading different news. Also rr I'm still waiting for a link talking about the dozens of witnesses backing the cops version of the events.rr165892 said:Dosent Holders presence in and of itself play right into the crowd mentality of guilt by accusation.Why this issue for the glorious presences of Holder.
If this cop gets a fair shake I'd be surprised.Its a no win for DA and the Federal Gov should NOT be involved here.There is no pre established racially motivated actions,nor does the cop have a history of race issue.This is a local issue.Elected local officials should be dealing with this.It does not reach a Civil Rights violation.Not a federal issue and would be a slippery slope if they take it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-department-details/14064451/
2. Black people account for most arrests in Ferguson
Last year, black residents accounted for 86% of the vehicle stops made by Ferguson police and nearly 93% of the arrests made from those stops, according to the state attorney general. FBI statistics show that 85% of the people arrested by Ferguson police are black, and that 92% of people arrested specifically for disorderly conduct are black."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
They don't. They don't even have guns in their vehicles in the event of an 'incident'.dignin said:JimmyV said:Agreed about First Responders. They truly never know what they are walking into.
I may be wrong but here in Canada our firefighters and EMT'S don't carry. At least I've never seen them armed. I googled it and couldn't find out for sure.
If our country sold assault rifles at every sporting good store and handguns at gas stations, we might see policy changes with regards to that... but for now, there is no need.
Thanks for your answer.
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Sad state of affairs.JimmyV said:
Canada also doesn't have the gun related violence the U.S. has. There was an incident in I believe New Hampshire a few months ago where some nut job deliberately started a fire, called 911, and then tried to pick responders off with a sniper rifle. Fucking sick.dignin said:JimmyV said:Agreed about First Responders. They truly never know what they are walking into.
I may be wrong but here in Canada our firefighters and EMT'S don't carry. At least I've never seen them armed. I googled it and couldn't find out for sure.
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Ferguson definitely has some systematic issues... They have a city council member who is being sued from her actions as a cop in that 2009 case where they charged that innocent guy they beat with bleeding on their clothes. They also have a current officer (Boyd) who was fired from the St Louis police department for beating kids on multiple occasions.
Ferguson, like many small towns, is largely funded by police fines they levy. So they seem to go out of their way to charge people with vague offenses like disorderly conduct, and pull people over on trumped up traffic offenses to search them in hopes of finding more charges they can add.
Who knows what really happened that day with the officer and Mike Brown. I'm guessing the officer at the very least got scared and over reacted. But when you have a community that has been consistently and institutionally mistreated by police, I can understand the outrage and hopeless feeling that they have for seeing justice in this case or any case.
And in all honesty, has anything that the Ferguson or St Louis county police departments done since the shooting given you any reason to believe them, or any given you confidence in their abilities at all?My whole life
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Well said.blackredyellow said:Ferguson definitely has some systematic issues... They have a city council member who is being sued from her actions as a cop in that 2009 case where they charged that innocent guy they beat with bleeding on their clothes. They also have a current officer (Boyd) who was fired from the St Louis police department for beating kids on multiple occasions.
Ferguson, like many small towns, is largely funded by police fines they levy. So they seem to go out of their way to charge people with vague offenses like disorderly conduct, and pull people over on trumped up traffic offenses to search them in hopes of finding more charges they can add.
Who knows what really happened that day with the officer and Mike Brown. I'm guessing the officer at the very least got scared and over reacted. But when you have a community that has been consistently and institutionally mistreated by police, I can understand the outrage and hopeless feeling that they have for seeing justice in this case or any case.
And in all honesty, has anything that the Ferguson or St Louis county police departments done since the shooting given you any reason to believe them, or any given you confidence in their abilities at all?
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Agree with most of what RR wrote. Think it's pretty universally accepted.Cliffy6745 said:
How the hell do you know all this?rr165892 said:
There may be past cases of intolerance,but in a community dominated mainly by one demographic of people ,with mixed in economic stagnation and a police force who is another demographic I think its easy to see where conflicts like this could be common place.Is it Selma AL in the 60s no way.Are freedoms and rights being suppressed ? no.Are random people being singled out based on color? NoCliffy6745 said:
Not you.rr165892 said:
Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color neededCliffy6745 said:Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.
Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.
Although while you say this specific cop doesn't have a history of race issues, it does sound like the entire police force does, in general.
Maybe you should also give the investigators a call since you know so much about how it went down.
These areas are powder kegs of emotion.IMO its more about economics and the frustration of being trapped within this enviorment.Race just plays as an easy way to vent this built up angst as a scapegoat for the real issues .10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
Again, how the hell do you know this having spent a total of 0 time in Ferguson?callen said:
Agree with most of what RR wrote. Think it's pretty universally accepted.Cliffy6745 said:
How the hell do you know all this?rr165892 said:
There may be past cases of intolerance,but in a community dominated mainly by one demographic of people ,with mixed in economic stagnation and a police force who is another demographic I think its easy to see where conflicts like this could be common place.Is it Selma AL in the 60s no way.Are freedoms and rights being suppressed ? no.Are random people being singled out based on color? NoCliffy6745 said:
Not you.rr165892 said:
Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color neededCliffy6745 said:Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.
Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.
Although while you say this specific cop doesn't have a history of race issues, it does sound like the entire police force does, in general.
Maybe you should also give the investigators a call since you know so much about how it went down.
These areas are powder kegs of emotion.IMO its more about economics and the frustration of being trapped within this enviorment.Race just plays as an easy way to vent this built up angst as a scapegoat for the real issues .0 -
1.heard it from a talking head on CNN.No print sorry.If I can dig up a link I will.I heard it late yesterday.dignin said:
We must be reading different news. Also rr I'm still waiting for a link talking about the dozens of witnesses backing the cops version of the events.rr165892 said:Dosent Holders presence in and of itself play right into the crowd mentality of guilt by accusation.Why this issue for the glorious presences of Holder.
If this cop gets a fair shake I'd be surprised.Its a no win for DA and the Federal Gov should NOT be involved here.There is no pre established racially motivated actions,nor does the cop have a history of race issue.This is a local issue.Elected local officials should be dealing with this.It does not reach a Civil Rights violation.Not a federal issue and would be a slippery slope if they take it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-department-details/14064451/
2. Black people account for most arrests in Ferguson
Last year, black residents accounted for 86% of the vehicle stops made by Ferguson police and nearly 93% of the arrests made from those stops, according to the state attorney general. FBI statistics show that 85% of the people arrested by Ferguson police are black, and that 92% of people arrested specifically for disorderly conduct are black.
2.that is because the Ferguson Population is like 90% African American,so of course those numbers will reflect the population.0
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