Michael Brown Shooting

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Last-12-Exit said:

    The only reason he needs is he was threatened. To me, that's a good enough reason.

    Oh bullshit. If every copy who "felt threatened" killed people there would be hundreds of these a week
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    norm said:

    i really can't believe some of the things i'm reading here

    and some of you wonder why african americans distrust cops so much?

    It's unreal.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited August 2014
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If a large man was lunging at me, threatening me or others around me, yes shoot first. The police have the right to use deadly force. As far as overkill? Aim for the head. If I'm protecting myself, there isn't going to be a warning shot.

    Except this isn't the case in America.

    Glad you're not a cop though. Although you would likely be in jail if you were. Do you know how many people lunge at cops on a daily basis? Like I said on the last page, my female friend got control of a dude coming at her with an axe without shooting. This kind of thing is not a rare occurancem
    I'm not a cop, but I am a fireman. I deal with shitheads on a semi regular basis. Fortunately, I have not been in a situation where I've had to pull my gun on a scene. But believe me when I say that if me or my crew were in a life threatening situation, I will not hesitate to use it. As a cop, fireman, or EMS worker, you always look out for #1.
    Holy shit, I had no idea firemen carry guns. You learn something new everyday.

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    reminds me of idiots who go before the judge for any simple charge wearing their hat & stupid ass shirt & lip ring & eyebrow rings in. you are a fucking moron.
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    no more forever."
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    No, I don't know how many times a day a cop feels his life threatened. And I'm pretty sure you don't either.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If a large man was lunging at me, threatening me or others around me, yes shoot first. The police have the right to use deadly force. As far as overkill? Aim for the head. If I'm protecting myself, there isn't going to be a warning shot.

    Except this isn't the case in America.

    Glad you're not a cop though. Although you would likely be in jail if you were. Do you know how many people lunge at cops on a daily basis? Like I said on the last page, my female friend got control of a dude coming at her with an axe without shooting. This kind of thing is not a rare occurancem
    I'm not a cop, but I am a fireman. I deal with shitheads on a semi regular basis. Fortunately, I have not been in a situation where I've had to pull my gun on a scene. But believe me when I say that if me or my crew were in a life threatening situation, I will not hesitate to use it. As a cop, fireman, or EMS worker, you always look out for #1.
    Isn't by definition getting into public service looking out for others?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    norm said:

    i really can't believe some of the things i'm reading here

    and some of you wonder why african americans distrust cops so much?

    In my mind, this has nothing to do with race. I'm looking completely at the incident for what it is.

    If this guy was white, brown, purple, or indigo... I couldn't give a shit. It doesn't change a thing for me.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If a large man was lunging at me, threatening me or others around me, yes shoot first. The police have the right to use deadly force. As far as overkill? Aim for the head. If I'm protecting myself, there isn't going to be a warning shot.

    Except this isn't the case in America.

    Glad you're not a cop though. Although you would likely be in jail if you were. Do you know how many people lunge at cops on a daily basis? Like I said on the last page, my female friend got control of a dude coming at her with an axe without shooting. This kind of thing is not a rare occurancem
    I'm not a cop, but I am a fireman. I deal with shitheads on a semi regular basis. Fortunately, I have not been in a situation where I've had to pull my gun on a scene. But believe me when I say that if me or my crew were in a life threatening situation, I will not hesitate to use it. As a cop, fireman, or EMS worker, you always look out for #1.
    Isn't by definition getting into public service looking out for others?
    You can't look out for others if you are dead.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If a large man was lunging at me, threatening me or others around me, yes shoot first. The police have the right to use deadly force. As far as overkill? Aim for the head. If I'm protecting myself, there isn't going to be a warning shot.

    Except this isn't the case in America.

    Glad you're not a cop though. Although you would likely be in jail if you were. Do you know how many people lunge at cops on a daily basis? Like I said on the last page, my female friend got control of a dude coming at her with an axe without shooting. This kind of thing is not a rare occurancem
    I'm not a cop, but I am a fireman. I deal with shitheads on a semi regular basis. Fortunately, I have not been in a situation where I've had to pull my gun on a scene. But believe me when I say that if me or my crew were in a life threatening situation, I will not hesitate to use it. As a cop, fireman, or EMS worker, you always look out for #1.
    Isn't by definition getting into public service looking out for others?
    Most certainly. Police, fire, and EMS all risk their lives for complete startngers on a daily and hourly basis. But make no mistake, if I can help it, I will not be threatened or made to feel threatened by the very people we are there to help.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    As far as "innocent until proven guilty" is concerned, the cop was almost instantly convicted in the court of public opinion. A jury can vote 12-0 in his favor, but he'll never be innocent to most of America no matter what evidence is presented based on the initial reporting. You are barking up the wrong tree thinking the police officer is getting the benefit of the doubt here.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Last-12-Exit said:

    No, I don't know how many times a day a cop feels his life threatened. And I'm pretty sure you don't either.

    Well I highly doubt officer Wilson is the only police officer to feel threatened of late
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    hopefully all firemen are carrying these days - remember that asshole who dialed 911 about a fire when there was no fire, firemen show up & he starts firing on them w/ some rifle as he thinks he's a sniper or some shit... did he also murder his own mother or something like this?
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    bootlegger10 said:

    As far as "innocent until proven guilty" is concerned, the cop was almost instantly convicted in the court of public opinion. A jury can vote 12-0 in his favor, but he'll never be innocent to most of America no matter what evidence is presented based on the initial reporting. You are barking up the wrong tree thinking the police officer is getting the benefit of the doubt here.

    You are 100% correct.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If a large man was lunging at me, threatening me or others around me, yes shoot first. The police have the right to use deadly force. As far as overkill? Aim for the head. If I'm protecting myself, there isn't going to be a warning shot.

    Except this isn't the case in America.

    Glad you're not a cop though. Although you would likely be in jail if you were. Do you know how many people lunge at cops on a daily basis? Like I said on the last page, my female friend got control of a dude coming at her with an axe without shooting. This kind of thing is not a rare occurancem

    Providence Police Detective Sgt. James L. Allen would argue that it can become quite serious... if he was alive to do so. At the police station, no less, he was questioning Esteban Carpio for his alleged part in the stabbing of an 85 year old woman. As fate would have it, Carpio overpowered Allen and shot him dead with his own weapon.

    Carpio jumped from the window and tried to get away, but was apprehended. He was also beaten... severely. I'm sure there are many on here that would feel the cops simply should have chased him down... went to another room while the blood was being cleaned from the initial room... and the questioning should have continued. I'm not one of those people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esteban_Carpio
    That's fucking tragic, no doubt. I am not arguing that. Like I said, one of my best friends is a cop. I know a ton of others. Some are good people and some are pieces of shit. It is a very dangerous job for sure. I don't see how these people have free will to use their gun on unarmed people though. Sure, things like that do happen and it is terrible but if every person who puts their hands on a cop gets killed like I said, cops would be killing people daily.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If a large man was lunging at me, threatening me or others around me, yes shoot first. The police have the right to use deadly force. As far as overkill? Aim for the head. If I'm protecting myself, there isn't going to be a warning shot.

    Except this isn't the case in America.

    Glad you're not a cop though. Although you would likely be in jail if you were. Do you know how many people lunge at cops on a daily basis? Like I said on the last page, my female friend got control of a dude coming at her with an axe without shooting. This kind of thing is not a rare occurancem
    I'm not a cop, but I am a fireman. I deal with shitheads on a semi regular basis. Fortunately, I have not been in a situation where I've had to pull my gun on a scene. But believe me when I say that if me or my crew were in a life threatening situation, I will not hesitate to use it. As a cop, fireman, or EMS worker, you always look out for #1.
    Isn't by definition getting into public service looking out for others?
    Most certainly. Police, fire, and EMS all risk their lives for complete startngers on a daily and hourly basis. But make no mistake, if I can help it, I will not be threatened or made to feel threatened by the very people we are there to help.
    But what is threatened? Someone looking at you wrong? When are you allowed to kill an unarmed person? I surely hope most police officers can handle a situation with an unarmed person without killing them.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If a large man was lunging at me, threatening me or others around me, yes shoot first. The police have the right to use deadly force. As far as overkill? Aim for the head. If I'm protecting myself, there isn't going to be a warning shot.

    Except this isn't the case in America.

    Glad you're not a cop though. Although you would likely be in jail if you were. Do you know how many people lunge at cops on a daily basis? Like I said on the last page, my female friend got control of a dude coming at her with an axe without shooting. This kind of thing is not a rare occurancem

    Providence Police Detective Sgt. James L. Allen would argue that it can become quite serious... if he was alive to do so. At the police station, no less, he was questioning Esteban Carpio for his alleged part in the stabbing of an 85 year old woman. As fate would have it, Carpio overpowered Allen and shot him dead with his own weapon.

    Carpio jumped from the window and tried to get away, but was apprehended. He was also beaten... severely. I'm sure there are many on here that would feel the cops simply should have chased him down... went to another room while the blood was being cleaned from the initial room... and the questioning should have continued. I'm not one of those people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esteban_Carpio
    I though this contribution spoke to the precarious nature police people find themselves in when dealing with people in 'controlled' settings.

    Things can go badly... quickly. How badly do things have to go before we offer police officers our support to do their work and preserve their safety?

    If Allen had killed Carpio in the interrogation room, people from all over the world, deciphering through various reports, and distrustful of the cops would be labelling Allen as a murderer... saying things like: "Come on, man. You tell me how a guy detained for questioning became enough of a threat to warrant Allen killing him?"


    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Well cliffy, I can accept our differences in opinion here. I'm sure the one thing we can agree on is that this is a horrible tragedy. And the few assholes in Ferguson are turning what could be peaceful demonstrations into a violent and scary place to be
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Well cliffy, I can accept our differences in opinion here. I'm sure the one thing we can agree on is that this is a horrible tragedy. And the few assholes in Ferguson are turning what could be peaceful demonstrations into a violent and scary place to be

    The police have played no small part in making those protest more violent than they needed to be.

  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    dignin said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Well cliffy, I can accept our differences in opinion here. I'm sure the one thing we can agree on is that this is a horrible tragedy. And the few assholes in Ferguson are turning what could be peaceful demonstrations into a violent and scary place to be

    The police have played no small part in making those protest more violent than they needed to be.

    Yea, the police are looting and starting the fires.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Well cliffy, I can accept our differences in opinion here. I'm sure the one thing we can agree on is that this is a horrible tragedy. And the few assholes in Ferguson are turning what could be peaceful demonstrations into a violent and scary place to be

    No doubt. And don't take me as anti cop.

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