Border and immigration crisis.

rgambs said:

we could feed ourselves and the illegals for less than we spend on war. or tax breaks for Fortune 100 companies. the fat cats want us to fight about these small beans issues that wouldnt even exist if they didnt hold the purse strings so tight. sorry if i was aggressive, eds letter has had me thinking that we argue over the dumbest things and act as if they are as important or moreso than love and peace.

Godfather. said:

rr165892 said:

Godfather. said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

awww so sad you lost some money...let me cry for you..THE KID LOST AN EYE! We live in a society where we fucking throw away more food than much of the world eats, we have 50 some inch magic TV boxes to sate our sick obsessions and we all drive personal chariots to rock concerts.. we can afford to help a kid who loses an eye, if you think otherwise, if MONEY is what you take away from this story
FUCKING SHAME ON YOU!

Btw,This guy is getting disability for life on top of payout.Full entitlements for life at yours and my expense.This issue is way more complex then you try to make it.

OH NO! Hes getting more money? Oh the horror! At my expense? Oh lordy how am i gonna get by? Your complicated scenario is small beans, it's no wonder the world has gone to shit.

And just for shits and giggles does the Immigration issue have a personal impact on you or your business interests and responsibilities?Do you live in an area with a high diverse illegal population? What benevolent actions do you engage in that help those same people you are concerned about?.Are you just a voice?I ask with all due respect.

they arn't supposed to be here....what part of that do you not understand ? really it's not a loaded question or hard to answer.


Godfather.

Godfather,are you directing that question to me or rgambs?

sorry dude....rgambs.

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.

The pay these guys cash.No taxes

stickfig13 said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.

The pay these guys cash.No taxes

I really hate the "They don't pay taxes" argument. Like your tax dollars are being effectively used anyway. How much money do we spend on waging war?

rr165892 said:

stickfig13 said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.

The pay these guys cash.No taxes

I really hate the "They don't pay taxes" argument. Like your tax dollars are being effectively used anyway. How much money do we spend on waging war?

This isn't about tax dollars! Taxes are just one of the many issues that arise from illegal immigration.Immigration itself is the life blood of our diverse country and I don't think anyone has a problem with people coming here looking for a better life.There is a way to do it that is legal.It may be tough,it may be a long process but it is achieveable.Just ask most of our great grandparents.I love people wanting to achieve a better quality of life,but it has to be done a proper way.

rr165892 said:

callen said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?

Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.

Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.

callen said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?

Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.

Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.

That's not accurate in all cases.

Sure it is. If Americans did not hire a single undocumented worker we would not be having this conversation. It's not logical to blame the poor desperate human trying to survive. It's just nuts and makes no sense.

callen said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?

Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.

Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.