Border and immigration crisis.

Indifference71

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

Godfather.

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

agreed !

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

How is it bullshit?

You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.

I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.

And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.

The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.

fife

Every time i read a tread about immigration in america, I always wonder what the natives would say before white people came to their land.

are there any native americans here and if so how do you feel about this topic?

Godfather.

fife said:

Every time i read a tread about immigration in america, I always wonder what the natives would say before white people came to their land.

are there any native americans here and if so how do you feel about this topic?

probably the same thing they said when the Nors people came or before that the asians.

Godfather.

Indifference71

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

How is it bullshit?

You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.

I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.

And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.

The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.

Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?

Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.

I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

How is it bullshit?

You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.

I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.

And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.

The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.

Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?

Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.

I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.

I haven't taken anything personal. I took exception to your callous approach to the entire situation... which you still hold. It's one thing to suggest you need some measures of change to control the border problem, it's quite another to say, "Fuk 'em." We have already been over the fact that to gain entry into the US through legal channels for a 'run-of-the-mill-Mexican-hopeful-immigrant' is akin to climbing Mt. Everest in a t-shirt and shorts... so don't hide your indifference behind the do it legally premise.

I agree with you that the world isn't fair. And it will continue to be not fair if attitudes such as yours remain prevalent.

I continue to assert that the US recreational drug consumer base has a large responsibility for the changing landscape of Mexico, however I don't think I suggested it's completely the US's fault (although much of it is in my opinion). Regardless, it's not a secret that Mexico has established itself as the new front runner in the international drug trade. El Paso trails only New York in cash deposits and is a front runner for safest city in America for its size... while directly across the Rio Grande (a stone's throw) in Juarez, there are over 3,000 drug related homicides a year.

And in this post you speak for the need to be civil, yet in your previous post you spouted 'bullshit' and attempted to make a mockery of a reasonable discussion point. How did you wish for me to respond?

Indifference71

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

How is it bullshit?

You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.

I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.

And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.

The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.

Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?

Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.

I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.

I haven't taken anything personal. I took exception to your callous approach to the entire situation... which you still hold. It's one thing to suggest you need some measures of change to control the border problem, it's quite another to say, "Fuk 'em." We have already been over the fact that to gain entry into the US through legal channels for a 'run-of-the-mill-Mexican-hopeful-immigrant' is akin to climbing Mt. Everest in a t-shirt and shorts... so don't hide your indifference behind the do it legally premise.

I agree with you that the world isn't fair. And it will continue to be not fair if attitudes such as yours remain prevalent.

I continue to assert that the US recreational drug consumer base has a large responsibility for the changing landscape of Mexico, however I don't think I suggested it's completely the US's fault (although much of it is in my opinion). Regardless, it's not a secret that Mexico has established itself as the new front runner in the international drug trade. El Paso trails only New York in cash deposits and is a front runner for safest city in America for its size... while directly across the Rio Grande (a stone's throw) in Juarez, there are over 3,000 drug related homicides a year.

And in this post you speak for the need to be civil, yet in your previous post you spouted 'bullshit' and attempted to make a mockery of a reasonable discussion point. How did you wish for me to respond?

You continue to avoid my question. Where do we draw the line? Do we just let anyone who wants to come into the U.S.?

You call my approach callous. I consider myself realistic. There are always going to be people who suffer hardships and are born into shitty situations. And like I said earlier, I don't understand why the U.S. is expected to come to the rescue for every one of these situations. Even if this current crisis was fixed, there would always be another crisis that people would be up in arms about for the U.S. to step in on. I think that's where my main frustration lies regardless of the issue...I'm just sick of the U.S. being expected to fix all of the world's problems.

I said it was bullshit and then explained myself. I don't belittle people and talk to them like they are children saying that I need to draw a picture to explain the point.

callen

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

Yes you should feel guilty blaming illegals and no one does dick against the Americans that hire them.

I know it feels all easy to blame the defenseless but it's wrong. Displaced anger.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Indifference71 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is not an immigration crisis at all.

this is a refugee crisis.

big difference.

these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.

you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?

This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.

Just as long as its not you, eh?

Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.

Are Mexican people less human than American people?

That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.

I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.

How is it bullshit?

You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.

I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.

And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.

The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.

Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?

Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.

I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.

I haven't taken anything personal. I took exception to your callous approach to the entire situation... which you still hold. It's one thing to suggest you need some measures of change to control the border problem, it's quite another to say, "Fuk 'em." We have already been over the fact that to gain entry into the US through legal channels for a 'run-of-the-mill-Mexican-hopeful-immigrant' is akin to climbing Mt. Everest in a t-shirt and shorts... so don't hide your indifference behind the do it legally premise.

I agree with you that the world isn't fair. And it will continue to be not fair if attitudes such as yours remain prevalent.

I continue to assert that the US recreational drug consumer base has a large responsibility for the changing landscape of Mexico, however I don't think I suggested it's completely the US's fault (although much of it is in my opinion). Regardless, it's not a secret that Mexico has established itself as the new front runner in the international drug trade. El Paso trails only New York in cash deposits and is a front runner for safest city in America for its size... while directly across the Rio Grande (a stone's throw) in Juarez, there are over 3,000 drug related homicides a year.

And in this post you speak for the need to be civil, yet in your previous post you spouted 'bullshit' and attempted to make a mockery of a reasonable discussion point. How did you wish for me to respond?

You continue to avoid my question. Where do we draw the line? Do we just let anyone who wants to come into the U.S.?

You call my approach callous. I consider myself realistic. There are always going to be people who suffer hardships and are born into shitty situations. And like I said earlier, I don't understand why the U.S. is expected to come to the rescue for every one of these situations. Even if this current crisis was fixed, there would always be another crisis that people would be up in arms about for the U.S. to step in on. I think that's where my main frustration lies regardless of the issue...I'm just sick of the U.S. being expected to fix all of the world's problems.

I said it was bullshit and then explained myself. I don't belittle people and talk to them like they are children saying that I need to draw a picture to explain the point.

Mmmm... you were a little more obnoxious than you suggest here.

Regardless... and as for your question... the answer is difficult. I understand the problem and am not simply sticking my head up my ass and suggesting to "eat cake."

With regards to the Mexico situation, the US is complicit in the problem for a few reasons- not fully responsible- but complicit. Consider the following:

The drug trade is thriving in Mexico for the demand the recreational drug users in the US place on the industry. If drugs were legalized in the US... and subsequently produced and distributed inside the US, the cartels would be rendered 'relatively' useless. In time, traditional Mexican life might be restored and the 'flood' of immigrants would be abated somewhat.

As well, whether you care to admit it or not, US citizens have lured Mexican migrants for their own gain and to exploit them as cheap workers. As such, again, the US is complicit in this entire situation. Perhaps it might be time to curb this practice by cutting the snake off at the head- holding the employers accountable in such a way that hiring cheap, illegal employees is not worth the risk.

Maybe I don't see things correctly, but I find it hard to suggest a country should close its doors on a family looking to settle within it and make a life for themselves.

rgambs

i get annoyed with the lame old taxes argument...you dont hear anybody complaining that their taxes get spent on war abroad. You dont hear anyone complaining that our taxes make the most profitable businesses EVEN MORE profitable. You dont hear complaints that our taxes fund the NSA, and other spy programs. You dont hear complaints that our taxes pay for imprisonment of millions of non-violent drug "criminals"...nope you hear chickenshit complaints that we are helping the wrong people... Poor single mothers and immigrants, they draw alot of complaints about taxes and yes RR despite your objections, all tax expenditures are related to one another.

Godfather.

rgambs said:

i get annoyed with the lame old taxes argument...you dont hear anybody complaining that their taxes get spent on war abroad. You dont hear anyone complaining that our taxes make the most profitable businesses EVEN MORE profitable. You dont hear complaints that our taxes fund the NSA, and other spy programs. You dont hear complaints that our taxes pay for imprisonment of millions of non-violent drug "criminals"...nope you hear chickenshit complaints that we are helping the wrong people... Poor single mothers and immigrants, they draw alot of complaints about taxes and yes RR despite your objections, all tax expenditures are related to one another.

pretty simple man...those that pay tax's and support thier communitys have the right to bitch about where THIER tax's go, don't you think they/we have that right ?

Godfather.

rgambs

of course we have that right. Its just a shame we exercize it in the most selfish, exclusionary, and pathetic way possible.

rr165892

I haven't commented after the last few posts as I'm trying to figure out REALLY what I'm I'm thinking here.Im a bit torn in both directions.I,like GF feel we just can't have open boarders and let everyone in.We just can't!!Every immigrant has a story,or life they are wanting to better,or a political situation they want to escape from.I get all that and its very heart wrenching,but we have a system although flawed to deal with those who want to immigrate here.If one follows protocol as difficult as it may be ,lady liberty waits to offer a better life and I welcome those immigrants.So we must control our borders for national security and to maintain some sense of stability to already overloaded agencies that deal with this issue.
Now,on the other hand,although I'm a fiscal conservative and have fundamental issues with the over abundance of government subsidies/spending/wasting already funding everything and everyone I do have a heart and can be benevolent to those in need like the crisis of kids escaping horrible lives.Nobody wants to see pain and suffering,Not me or any conservative I believe.My social views are live and let live and I'm not guided by religious leanings in my politics.I want everyone to do there thing and prosper and contribute and be happy and make money.Sucess is great for all.Im just prefacing this to frame where I'm coming from.Yes as a buisness owner I have first hand dealings with this issue as Ive previously stated so after thinking about I really feel its 2issues in 1.The crisis of kids,is different then Pierre wanting to come here from France for example.I know I'm talking to a very liberal board for the most part.So why not deal with both separate.How about for the kids we allow them to come if they are sponsored by a family(rgambs??) or family members who will let them into there homes,foster them and raise them and get them proper medical care and schooling.In return we issue tax credits to those families for their effort.After said child graduates school we give a easy path to citizenship,including immediate status upon joining our military or after a college degree.win for all and for the most part private citizens have helped and crisis done.With the other side of the coin as an adult.Apply,test and do it by the book.Maybe we can also find a service to give back to America,like military service,working w/vets or 2years of social service in our country in exchange for expidited citizenship.Again win win.The Liberals stay happy,the people they want to help get help and a path,and us conservatives are happy because they (immigrants)are now giving ,not just taking and private citizens not government gets involved and it Dosent become another subsidized government undertaking.Its a little raw and I'm not great at elaborating what's going on in my head,but I think you get the jist

mickeyrat

Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.

true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.

Godfather.

Indifference71

rgambs said:

of course we have that right. Its just a shame we exercize it in the most selfish, exclusionary, and pathetic way possible.

How is it selfish? It's selfish to have an opinion? You just don't agree with the opinion.

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

mickeyrat said:

Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.

true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.

Godfather.

Mexicans are NOT the only group sending money back home.
some of that cash is staying here to rent apartments/houses , pay utilities, the shit ton of groceries I see these guys buying in Meijers(where I shop) , patronize businesses that started up to cater to that culture by those with legal status , employing people to do so etc.


There WILL be some kind of impact to our economy should a mass deportation take place. To what degree is debatable , but soem kind of impact is to be had. What do you suggest we do with those who are going to work everyday contributing to our way of living? You know those that are lining the pockets of douchbag americans exploiting undocumented status and skirting criminal law as well as civil law not to mention not paying into the SS , Medicare etc. I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented. We''ll see how quickly a resolution to this issue takes place.

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

mickeyrat said:

Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.

true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.

Godfather.

Mexicans are NOT the only group sending money back home.
some of that cash is staying here to rent apartments/houses , pay utilities, the shit ton of groceries I see these guys buying in Meijers(where I shop) , patronize businesses that started up to cater to that culture by those with legal status , employing people to do so etc.


There WILL be some kind of impact to our economy should a mass deportation take place. To what degree is debatable , but soem kind of impact is to be had. What do you suggest we do with those who are going to work everyday contributing to our way of living? You know those that are lining the pockets of douchbag americans exploiting undocumented status and skirting criminal law as well as civil law not to mention not paying into the SS , Medicare etc. I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented. We''ll see how quickly a resolution to this issue takes place.

AGREE ! anybody knowingly hiring a undocumented worker should face criminal charges, but as for the impact of a mass exodus...I don't know how bad it would be because there are pleanty of documented workers, resturant owners and workers,const.contractors and workers and so on,so not to be sarcastic but me personally I don't see a problem with deporting all illegal immrigrants.


Godfather.

unsung

This issued is solved by doing four things.

1. Securing the border.

2. Ending the anchor baby law.

3. Jailing employers.

4. Ending handouts to illegals.

There would be no need to deport, they'd do it themselves. Remove the incentives and the issue is gone.