Border and immigration crisis.

mickeyrat

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

How was this not on the subs shoulders?

unsung

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

Ugh, sorry that happened to you. It's sick at the benefits they get while costing so many people so much money.

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

that sucks ! I wonder if the kid got deported after that ?


Godfather.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.

if they came here legally they could enjoy those benefits.

Godfather.

rgambs

awww so sad you lost some money...let me cry for you..THE KID LOST AN EYE! We live in a society where we fucking throw away more food than much of the world eats, we have 50 some inch magic TV boxes to sate our sick obsessions and we all drive personal chariots to rock concerts.. we can afford to help a kid who loses an eye, if you think otherwise, if MONEY is what you take away from this story
FUCKING SHAME ON YOU!

rr165892

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

How was this not on the subs shoulders?

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

How was this not on the subs shoulders?

The sub who brought him on job is an Independant operator who as a corporate officer of his own corporation can comp exempt himself.That is fine and legal.So it bypasses him and goes to whoever is next.His "Employees"need to be covered though.

rr165892

Godfather. said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

that sucks ! I wonder if the kid got deported after that ?


Godfather.

No,got a fat settlement and is still in USA

rr165892

rgambs said:

awww so sad you lost some money...let me cry for you..THE KID LOST AN EYE! We live in a society where we fucking throw away more food than much of the world eats, we have 50 some inch magic TV boxes to sate our sick obsessions and we all drive personal chariots to rock concerts.. we can afford to help a kid who loses an eye, if you think otherwise, if MONEY is what you take away from this story
FUCKING SHAME ON YOU!

Yeah,yeah,yeah except your missing the point.If he did this the proper way,he would have been trained properly,and been given the protection equipment needed not to get hurt.NO ONE wants anyone hurt.But when you skirt the law and do things illegally this is the result.No one wins.Take a step off your soap box for a minute and think big picture.

rr165892

rgambs said:

awww so sad you lost some money...let me cry for you..THE KID LOST AN EYE! We live in a society where we fucking throw away more food than much of the world eats, we have 50 some inch magic TV boxes to sate our sick obsessions and we all drive personal chariots to rock concerts.. we can afford to help a kid who loses an eye, if you think otherwise, if MONEY is what you take away from this story
FUCKING SHAME ON YOU!

Btw,This guy is getting disability for life on top of payout.Full entitlements for life at yours and my expense.This issue is way more complex then you try to make it.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.

The pay these guys cash.No taxes

rgambs

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

rgambs

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

awww so sad you lost some money...let me cry for you..THE KID LOST AN EYE! We live in a society where we fucking throw away more food than much of the world eats, we have 50 some inch magic TV boxes to sate our sick obsessions and we all drive personal chariots to rock concerts.. we can afford to help a kid who loses an eye, if you think otherwise, if MONEY is what you take away from this story
FUCKING SHAME ON YOU!

Btw,This guy is getting disability for life on top of payout.Full entitlements for life at yours and my expense.This issue is way more complex then you try to make it.

OH NO! Hes getting more money? Oh the horror! At my expense? Oh lordy how am i gonna get by? Your complicated scenario is small beans, it's no wonder the world has gone to shit.

rr165892

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

So rgambs your all about the love of fellow man but your quick to chastise me for what exactly? Im not getting your hostility directed at me?I shared a story,not my political views on Immigration.I have given an example of 1 such case as to why this issue is such a touchy subject.And can have deeper reverberations than just the surface items we see on the news.
Painting a stereotype on me with a wide brush is touchy ground and you shouldn't let your assumed understanding of my situation influence your comments.

EdsonNascimento

$250/day which translates to over $90,000 per year to care for each child.

Question - does your child/nephew/cousin/neighbor get that much subsidy?

Where is this money coming from and do the amnesty folks think that price tag comes down when these poor children are being delivered unattended to our country?

Obama needs to shut this valve off and turn it around or the personal and economic impact to this country will be severe. He's going to have to look like the bad guy. Leaders have that thrust upon them from time to time. It's his time to step up and do the right thing rather than the easy thing.

rr165892

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

awww so sad you lost some money...let me cry for you..THE KID LOST AN EYE! We live in a society where we fucking throw away more food than much of the world eats, we have 50 some inch magic TV boxes to sate our sick obsessions and we all drive personal chariots to rock concerts.. we can afford to help a kid who loses an eye, if you think otherwise, if MONEY is what you take away from this story
FUCKING SHAME ON YOU!

Btw,This guy is getting disability for life on top of payout.Full entitlements for life at yours and my expense.This issue is way more complex then you try to make it.

OH NO! Hes getting more money? Oh the horror! At my expense? Oh lordy how am i gonna get by? Your complicated scenario is small beans, it's no wonder the world has gone to shit.

And just for shits and giggles does the Immigration issue have a personal impact on you or your business interests and responsibilities?Do you live in an area with a high diverse illegal population? What benevolent actions do you engage in that help those same people you are concerned about?.Are you just a voice?I ask with all due respect.

callen

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unsung said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

Ugh, sorry that happened to you. It's sick at the benefits they get while costing so many people so much money.

Unsung. Blaming illegal again. US labor laws, subcontractor and even a bit RR's as proper PPE wasn't used on his job. Along with indemnity clauses needed between contractor and sub though I'm no lawyer.

Deflection.

callen

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.

The pay these guys cash.No taxes

They pay sales taxes. Also many have stolen SSN cards. Pay in and get nothing back though govt better able to catch this.

rr165892

callen said:

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unsung said:

rr165892 said:

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

Ugh, sorry that happened to you. It's sick at the benefits they get while costing so many people so much money.

Unsung. Blaming illegal again. US labor laws, subcontractor and even a bit RR's as proper PPE wasn't used on his job. Along with indemnity clauses needed between contractor and sub though I'm no lawyer.

Deflection.

Callen,the sub had signed acknowledgement forms about who he could bring on job and what was expected of and for his crew members.He was properly educated on job safety and what our protocol was.For years he had been fine.He skirted the rules and it bit everyone in the ass.I of course would have advised his new member of proper PPE implementation if I in fact new of his existence.Personally I do not have issue with a subs employees immigration status as long as said employee is legally covered by workers comp and is competent in his trade.
There are day labor orginazations like Labor Finders for example that provide day labor for these types of situation and the have all of there guys covered by comp,regardless of green card status.
My former Sub lost my account immediately upon my knowledge of the situation and although counsel said I had recourse against him,I chose to not pursue further action and wreck the guyLoosing my account cost him plenty.But you are correct by the letter of the law,fault in the laws eyes is on me,knowingly or not.

callen

RR: feel for you. Sucks.