i get annoyed with the lame old taxes argument...you dont hear anybody complaining that their taxes get spent on war abroad. You dont hear anyone complaining that our taxes make the most profitable businesses EVEN MORE profitable. You dont hear complaints that our taxes fund the NSA, and other spy programs. You dont hear complaints that our taxes pay for imprisonment of millions of non-violent drug "criminals"...nope you hear chickenshit complaints that we are helping the wrong people... Poor single mothers and immigrants, they draw alot of complaints about taxes and yes RR despite your objections, all tax expenditures are related to one another.
i get annoyed with the lame old taxes argument...you dont hear anybody complaining that their taxes get spent on war abroad. You dont hear anyone complaining that our taxes make the most profitable businesses EVEN MORE profitable. You dont hear complaints that our taxes fund the NSA, and other spy programs. You dont hear complaints that our taxes pay for imprisonment of millions of non-violent drug "criminals"...nope you hear chickenshit complaints that we are helping the wrong people... Poor single mothers and immigrants, they draw alot of complaints about taxes and yes RR despite your objections, all tax expenditures are related to one another.
pretty simple man...those that pay tax's and support thier communitys have the right to bitch about where THIER tax's go, don't you think they/we have that right ?
I haven't commented after the last few posts as I'm trying to figure out REALLY what I'm I'm thinking here.Im a bit torn in both directions.I,like GF feel we just can't have open boarders and let everyone in.We just can't!!Every immigrant has a story,or life they are wanting to better,or a political situation they want to escape from.I get all that and its very heart wrenching,but we have a system although flawed to deal with those who want to immigrate here.If one follows protocol as difficult as it may be ,lady liberty waits to offer a better life and I welcome those immigrants.So we must control our borders for national security and to maintain some sense of stability to already overloaded agencies that deal with this issue. Now,on the other hand,although I'm a fiscal conservative and have fundamental issues with the over abundance of government subsidies/spending/wasting already funding everything and everyone I do have a heart and can be benevolent to those in need like the crisis of kids escaping horrible lives.Nobody wants to see pain and suffering,Not me or any conservative I believe.My social views are live and let live and I'm not guided by religious leanings in my politics.I want everyone to do there thing and prosper and contribute and be happy and make money.Sucess is great for all.Im just prefacing this to frame where I'm coming from.Yes as a buisness owner I have first hand dealings with this issue as Ive previously stated so after thinking about I really feel its 2issues in 1.The crisis of kids,is different then Pierre wanting to come here from France for example.I know I'm talking to a very liberal board for the most part.So why not deal with both separate.How about for the kids we allow them to come if they are sponsored by a family(rgambs??) or family members who will let them into there homes,foster them and raise them and get them proper medical care and schooling.In return we issue tax credits to those families for their effort.After said child graduates school we give a easy path to citizenship,including immediate status upon joining our military or after a college degree.win for all and for the most part private citizens have helped and crisis done.With the other side of the coin as an adult.Apply,test and do it by the book.Maybe we can also find a service to give back to America,like military service,working w/vets or 2years of social service in our country in exchange for expidited citizenship.Again win win.The Liberals stay happy,the people they want to help get help and a path,and us conservatives are happy because they (immigrants)are now giving ,not just taking and private citizens not government gets involved and it Dosent become another subsidized government undertaking.Its a little raw and I'm not great at elaborating what's going on in my head,but I think you get the jist
Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.
true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.
Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.
true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.
Godfather.
Mexicans are NOT the only group sending money back home. some of that cash is staying here to rent apartments/houses , pay utilities, the shit ton of groceries I see these guys buying in Meijers(where I shop) , patronize businesses that started up to cater to that culture by those with legal status , employing people to do so etc.
There WILL be some kind of impact to our economy should a mass deportation take place. To what degree is debatable , but soem kind of impact is to be had. What do you suggest we do with those who are going to work everyday contributing to our way of living? You know those that are lining the pockets of douchbag americans exploiting undocumented status and skirting criminal law as well as civil law not to mention not paying into the SS , Medicare etc. I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented. We''ll see how quickly a resolution to this issue takes place.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.
true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.
Godfather.
Mexicans are NOT the only group sending money back home. some of that cash is staying here to rent apartments/houses , pay utilities, the shit ton of groceries I see these guys buying in Meijers(where I shop) , patronize businesses that started up to cater to that culture by those with legal status , employing people to do so etc.
There WILL be some kind of impact to our economy should a mass deportation take place. To what degree is debatable , but soem kind of impact is to be had. What do you suggest we do with those who are going to work everyday contributing to our way of living? You know those that are lining the pockets of douchbag americans exploiting undocumented status and skirting criminal law as well as civil law not to mention not paying into the SS , Medicare etc. I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented. We''ll see how quickly a resolution to this issue takes place.
AGREE ! anybody knowingly hiring a undocumented worker should face criminal charges, but as for the impact of a mass exodus...I don't know how bad it would be because there are pleanty of documented workers, resturant owners and workers,const.contractors and workers and so on,so not to be sarcastic but me personally I don't see a problem with deporting all illegal immrigrants.
Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.
true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.
Godfather.
Yeah agree lotsa money flowing south. Now think about how much money we piss away giving money to countries on other side of world. At least it's going to our neighbors that help the us more. Mexico imports tons from US if that's any consolation.
Now GF we need to go after the root of problem.......demand. Course I sound like broken record. Ha.
Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.
true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.
Godfather.
Mexicans are NOT the only group sending money back home. some of that cash is staying here to rent apartments/houses , pay utilities, the shit ton of groceries I see these guys buying in Meijers(where I shop) , patronize businesses that started up to cater to that culture by those with legal status , employing people to do so etc.
There WILL be some kind of impact to our economy should a mass deportation take place. To what degree is debatable , but soem kind of impact is to be had. What do you suggest we do with those who are going to work everyday contributing to our way of living? You know those that are lining the pockets of douchbag americans exploiting undocumented status and skirting criminal law as well as civil law not to mention not paying into the SS , Medicare etc. I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented. We''ll see how quickly a resolution to this issue takes place.
Thinking food prices go up immediately. Big constraints on construction. Will cause real inflation. Be interesting to get some good data on impact.
the majority of folks coming up here the round-about way are not going anywhere. true fact. they will actually be increasing in numbers as it drives many bullshit americans out of their minds
you'll see
what about the reverse side of the coin? what if the u.s. is at war, which the u.s. does often & all the time. then the u.s. is invaded, bombed & fucked with hardcore & so on.
folks are runnin for mexico & canada, yes/no? hopefully many are turned away & tossed back across the border
it is a negative term for babies that are born to illegal immigrants in the united states, which keeps the parents from being deported right away. the baby is an "anchor" keeping the parents and child here in the us.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't get the uproar about the name.Nothing Rascist here.When I was young I was a "Latch key kid" How about "Flower child"I guess I.Dont see the big PC issue here.Are we being a smidge over sensitive .
Who knows maybe I'm getting old and conservative. The term anchor baby may be a bad choice of words but in my travels throughout Houston, and I mix it up with my fellow humans, having a child in the us is a primary goal for many. The us tax payer is on the hook for medical expenses, and schooling as well as vehicle for parents to become citizens. Anchor baby is commonly used in south.
Now the parents and some of the offspring(second generation can become dicks like us) raise the standard of living and as us crusty old white people age, we'll be cared for by them. Also Hispanics are nurturing and caring, much more than whites , yellows, and the darker browns.
The cheap labor from south benefits us all. Just controlling it.
"anchor baby" is an incredibly offensive term. how very limbaugh.
They offend me.
Are you referring to Limbaugh and O'Reilly as 'they'?
I can't say I've ever paid them any mind, they aren't worth my time.
I was speaking of the anchor babies and their parents that take advantage of the system. The parents offend me that they use a child to get around our laws. It is a loophole that needs to be closed, it isn't being used as intended.
Taxes are paid on every single item they purchase. How many vehicles, fuel,construction equipment,tools, clothes etc are bought every day? Those are the taxes that get things done on a state and local level.
true enough but they are not US citizens there for should not be here in the first place and by the way have you read or heard how much money goes across the border just from immigrant workers every year ?, in san diego if you are aware of whats going on you can find them living in canyons of up scale neighborhoods and every now and then they start(accidental) fires in those canyons and sometimes those fires burn down homes....but anyway those dollars are going into mexico's economy..not this one.
Godfather.
Mexicans are NOT the only group sending money back home. some of that cash is staying here to rent apartments/houses , pay utilities, the shit ton of groceries I see these guys buying in Meijers(where I shop) , patronize businesses that started up to cater to that culture by those with legal status , employing people to do so etc.
There WILL be some kind of impact to our economy should a mass deportation take place. To what degree is debatable , but soem kind of impact is to be had. What do you suggest we do with those who are going to work everyday contributing to our way of living? You know those that are lining the pockets of douchbag americans exploiting undocumented status and skirting criminal law as well as civil law not to mention not paying into the SS , Medicare etc. I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented. We''ll see how quickly a resolution to this issue takes place.
very true Micky that Mexicans are not the only ones sending money home but this thread is about the Mexican Border immigration crisis,and if that store owner is catering to the needs and money of illegals is he not incouraging illegal activity ? you had mentioned " I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented." and you know how the American system works,once we start with jailing employers we will start jailing business owners that knowingly cater to the illegals, besides you know non of this will ever happen,worst case senrieo the house gets filled with republicans in 2016 and the new prez launches a full scale all out attack on our borders deploying national guard along with regular military and employing more agents............then start a deportation process of the likes this country has never seen(if I'm going to dream I may as well dream big right) )
of course we have that right. Its just a shame we exercize it in the most selfish, exclusionary, and pathetic way possible.
How is it selfish? It's selfish to have an opinion? You just don't agree with the opinion.
it is not selfish to have an opinion, it is a selfish opinion to have. This lame ass right wing (dont deny its a right wing mentality, even if you dont consider yourself an rwinger) idealogy says " I dont want MY taxes to pay for food and healthcare for those OTHERS who were born without OUR advantages. Nevermind MY taxes going into the pockets of the super rich, nevermind MY taxes building drones to extrajudicially assasinate, nevermind MY taxes going toward the NSA spying on me, nope lets talk about government "handouts" to "welfare moms" and "anchor babies". Its a chickenshit deflection that comes from the power elite and those who fall for it are just pathetic. Tow the line and dont criticize the man behind the curtain! Dont worry, you are in the majority, those of us who protest real injustices and inhumanity will continue to talk about peace and equality and you can continue to spout about "them" and "their handouts"
Imagine the desperation it takes to pull up your roots and head for another country to live there illegally and in fear of prosecution. The situations they live in must be extremely poor for them to be willing to do that. I'm sure most of us would never consider it. Doesn't that deserve some compassion? People are people. Why is it OK to shun them and remove them yet continue to support millions upon millions in this country who are essentially unwilling to lift a hand to better their situation?
I say let anyone in who wants to be in. Those that don't like it can find some other country that wants to shun people who need help.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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Godfather.
Now,on the other hand,although I'm a fiscal conservative and have fundamental issues with the over abundance of government subsidies/spending/wasting already funding everything and everyone I do have a heart and can be benevolent to those in need like the crisis of kids escaping horrible lives.Nobody wants to see pain and suffering,Not me or any conservative I believe.My social views are live and let live and I'm not guided by religious leanings in my politics.I want everyone to do there thing and prosper and contribute and be happy and make money.Sucess is great for all.Im just prefacing this to frame where I'm coming from.Yes as a buisness owner I have first hand dealings with this issue as Ive previously stated so after thinking about I really feel its 2issues in 1.The crisis of kids,is different then Pierre wanting to come here from France for example.I know I'm talking to a very liberal board for the most part.So why not deal with both separate.How about for the kids we allow them to come if they are sponsored by a family(rgambs??) or family members who will let them into there homes,foster them and raise them and get them proper medical care and schooling.In return we issue tax credits to those families for their effort.After said child graduates school we give a easy path to citizenship,including immediate status upon joining our military or after a college degree.win for all and for the most part private citizens have helped and crisis done.With the other side of the coin as an adult.Apply,test and do it by the book.Maybe we can also find a service to give back to America,like military service,working w/vets or 2years of social service in our country in exchange for expidited citizenship.Again win win.The Liberals stay happy,the people they want to help get help and a path,and us conservatives are happy because they (immigrants)are now giving ,not just taking and private citizens not government gets involved and it Dosent become another subsidized government undertaking.Its a little raw and I'm not great at elaborating what's going on in my head,but I think you get the jist
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.
some of that cash is staying here to rent apartments/houses , pay utilities, the shit ton of groceries I see these guys buying in Meijers(where I shop) , patronize businesses that started up to cater to that culture by those with legal status , employing people to do so etc.
There WILL be some kind of impact to our economy should a mass deportation take place. To what degree is debatable , but soem kind of impact is to be had. What do you suggest we do with those who are going to work everyday contributing to our way of living? You know those that are lining the pockets of douchbag americans exploiting undocumented status and skirting criminal law as well as civil law not to mention not paying into the SS , Medicare etc. I say lets start with jailing those that employ the undocumented. We''ll see how quickly a resolution to this issue takes place.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.
1. Securing the border.
2. Ending the anchor baby law.
3. Jailing employers.
4. Ending handouts to illegals.
There would be no need to deport, they'd do it themselves. Remove the incentives and the issue is gone.
Now GF we need to go after the root of problem.......demand. Course I sound like broken record. Ha.
Peace.
I'm good with temporary worker visa. I'm also good with streaming the process to become a citizen, I'm just against the easy way out.
you'll see
what about the reverse side of the coin? what if the u.s. is at war, which the u.s. does often & all the time. then the u.s. is invaded, bombed & fucked with hardcore & so on.
folks are runnin for mexico & canada, yes/no? hopefully many are turned away & tossed back across the border
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
& thank you for your explaination, gimmie
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Now the parents and some of the offspring(second generation can become dicks like us) raise the standard of living and as us crusty old white people age, we'll be cared for by them. Also Hispanics are nurturing and caring, much more than whites , yellows, and the darker browns.
The cheap labor from south benefits us all. Just controlling it.
I can't say I've ever paid them any mind, they aren't worth my time.
I was speaking of the anchor babies and their parents that take advantage of the system. The parents offend me that they use a child to get around our laws. It is a loophole that needs to be closed, it isn't being used as intended.
Godfather.
I say let anyone in who wants to be in. Those that don't like it can find some other country that wants to shun people who need help.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.