HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
i support them the same way you all do, with my tax dollars...i just dont piss and moan about it!
Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp. A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues. This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,
From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.
The pay these guys cash.No taxes
I really hate the "They don't pay taxes" argument. Like your tax dollars are being effectively used anyway. How much money do we spend on waging war?
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HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp. A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues. This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,
From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.
The pay these guys cash.No taxes
I really hate the "They don't pay taxes" argument. Like your tax dollars are being effectively used anyway. How much money do we spend on waging war?
This isn't about tax dollars! Taxes are just one of the many issues that arise from illegal immigration.Immigration itself is the life blood of our diverse country and I don't think anyone has a problem with people coming here looking for a better life.There is a way to do it that is legal.It may be tough,it may be a long process but it is achieveable.Just ask most of our great grandparents.I love people wanting to achieve a better quality of life,but it has to be done a proper way.
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp. A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues. This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,
From what I have seen the illegals DO pay taxes. They definitely pay into social security/medicare. The beauty of it is that they will never be able to collect it. That is unless the sub is knowingly hiring illegals and not paying them as employees.
The pay these guys cash.No taxes
I really hate the "They don't pay taxes" argument. Like your tax dollars are being effectively used anyway. How much money do we spend on waging war?
This isn't about tax dollars! Taxes are just one of the many issues that arise from illegal immigration.Immigration itself is the life blood of our diverse country and I don't think anyone has a problem with people coming here looking for a better life.There is a way to do it that is legal.It may be tough,it may be a long process but it is achieveable.Just ask most of our great grandparents.I love people wanting to achieve a better quality of life,but it has to be done a proper way.
Ask my great grandparents what? How they immigrated to a country with 62 million people. That comparison just doesn't work. We have 317 million people in this country. Try overhauling the immigration system and making everyone agree on a path forward.
I live in California. Mexico is a part of my daily life (Spanish speakers, immigrants, workers). I think the real issue here is all the pearl clutching paranoid mouth breathers in parts of the country that think that those "brown people" are gonna move into their town and cause them to not be able to enjoy their suburban lifestyle.
Unless we start to treat immigrants like people we will never find a solution. Don't say you care about them "having a better life". You don't care. You only want to know how it changes yours.
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Another one who likes tell others what they think.SMFH Im in South Florida,I also live work and play side by side with a large influx of immigrants both legal and illegal.Im in what would be considered An upscale beach side town.A nice place for that "Suburban lifestyle".My community just so happens to be a town with a large Guatemalan population.As a community ,we decided it was important to provide those members of our community that had settled here safer/better ways to live,find work,child care,transportation,etc. As a community we had a community center built to help our neighbors acclimate ,get their kids into schools,a safe place to learn English and seek employment and or help with immigration.Bike lanes have been added and many other amenities to make all our towns people,regardless of country of origin,ethnic background whatever feel safe and welcome.Our laborers don't need to stand on corners to find employment.And we embrace this.Yes this is what my tax dollars support.Trust me,as a caring responsible human the well being of my neighbors does affect me.So please don't assume,because I think the legal path is the right path that I'm a hater.And for the record,our beaches kick California's beaches ass so all of us down here are a golden bronze not "brown"
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
That's not accurate in all cases.
Sure it is. If Americans did not hire a single undocumented worker we would not be having this conversation. It's not logical to blame the poor desperate human trying to survive. It's just nuts and makes no sense.
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Isn't this like blaming the pencil for the spelling mistake? Or the gun for the murder? ILLEGALS is the key word in your statement!
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HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Isn't this like blaming the pencil for the spelling mistake? Or the gun for the murder? ILLEGALS is the key word in your statement!
your analogy skills are very weak. In your anologies the pencil and gun are the tools that are being used by an operator which is to blame, who happens to be doing something ILLEGAL...you proved the point you wanted to refute with a poor set of analogies lol. Why would you blame the drug users and absolve the drug sellers? Theres an anology that works.
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?
Kids not but the issue is illegal immigration and it's Us companies and Us individuals paying them. Where is the backlash? Oh they vote.
The kids are just a rallying point.
Republicans don't want to stop illegals, they just use it to get votes from prejudiced white Americans.
we could feed ourselves and the illegals for less than we spend on war. or tax breaks for Fortune 100 companies. the fat cats want us to fight about these small beans issues that wouldnt even exist if they didnt hold the purse strings so tight. sorry if i was aggressive, eds letter has had me thinking that we argue over the dumbest things and act as if they are as important or moreso than love and peace.
Rgambs,Again with all due respect,because I get your idealistic and ultimately want a better world and I'm assuming relatively young(If I'm off base,I apologize) let me ask you this based on your above comment.How does our military spending,or our corporate tax codes impact the immigration issue ? I think each item above is a conversation starter all to themselves.
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?
Kids not but the issue is illegal immigration and it's Us companies and Us individuals paying them. Where is the backlash? Oh they vote.
The kids are just a rallying point.
Republicans don't want to stop illegals, they just use it to get votes from prejudiced white Americans.
is anyone up on the news from the past couple years in these three countries where most of these kids are from?
Lets leave the rhetoric as to why WE think they are here and seek to find out whats going on THERE as a possibility to why their parents or family sent them here.
Sound like a reasonable action by open minded people?
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is anyone up on the news from the past couple years in these three countries where most of these kids are from?
Lets leave the rhetoric as to why WE think they are here and seek to find out whats going on THERE as a possibility to why their parents or family sent them here.
Sound like a reasonable action by open minded people?
I was watching the news yesterday evening and was thinking the same thing but aside from the obvieous (poverty) it could be any number of reasons, drug wars and drug lords threatining their familys ????? or maybe they just saw an opertunity to try and achieve the American dream the wrong way.
is anyone up on the news from the past couple years in these three countries where most of these kids are from?
Lets leave the rhetoric as to why WE think they are here and seek to find out whats going on THERE as a possibility to why their parents or family sent them here.
Sound like a reasonable action by open minded people?
I agree for parents or for kids with out parents to just say i have to get the fuck out of this crime ridden place and walk a few thousand miles to safety surely must say something about their situation , i saw on the news a 7yr old looking for her parents up here 7yr old , but no lets just put her on a plane and send her back she's 7 .... I'll look into taking one of the young kids into my family if i'm allowed ......
The poor don't get visas to leave those country's they just don't , you can apply but you get turned down based on your status of wealth ....So you can say there is a correct way to get here but it doesn't apply when you considered who these kids are .....Only the wealthy get those visas why ? because they have something to make them come back home for ....
we could feed ourselves and the illegals for less than we spend on war. or tax breaks for Fortune 100 companies. the fat cats want us to fight about these small beans issues that wouldnt even exist if they didnt hold the purse strings so tight. sorry if i was aggressive, eds letter has had me thinking that we argue over the dumbest things and act as if they are as important or moreso than love and peace.
Rgambs,Again with all due respect,because I get your idealistic and ultimately want a better world and I'm assuming relatively young(If I'm off base,I apologize) let me ask you this based on your above comment.How does our military spending,or our corporate tax codes impact the immigration issue ? I think each item above is a conversation starter all to themselves.
Rgambs you never responded.What says you?
how do the costs of war and corporate welfare have an impact on immigration? How can you ask such a simple question? X minus 1,000,000,000 equals...wait, you dont need a math lesson you are being facetious, no? If our coffers were bursting with surplus I dont see how you could argue not to feed and shelter children, though if you are a true conservative, you might just find a way. If you think war and poverty throughout the world are unrelated then perhaps idealistic is not a strong enough word to describe that sort of delusion. I answered your (shoulda been) rhetorical question, now let me ask one with an equally obvious answer. If I were a single mother on welfare and I spent all my assistance on my hair and nails, Ipads, and starbucks coffee, would you criticize me and dissaprove? Or does spending all my money wrecklessly have an impact on ALL the important issues in my life?
I feel your lumping all the issues together and trying to make a stew of big problem that is linked directly. Being Fiscally conservative has nothing to do IMO with being benevolent.Im sure for some it does.but definitely not all.I also don't hitch my wagon to any of the religious right rhetoric and disagree socially with a lot of platform. Feeding and helping these kids coming up from Central America is of course a humanitarian issue and we as a society need to not block the busses of scared kids and find a way to help them,I agree.But your saying stop giving Ford,Mobil,Johnson and Johnson,etc tax breaks and it will make immigration housing easier? Lets close Fort Bragg and not develop a new drone program and we can use the money to build a tent village for refugees? Every action has a reaction.Maybe we should look around the other corner and ask hey,how can private industry help?our tax Money is wasted on the stupidest shit all the time(teaching Chinese hookers to speak English at 4 million a year for example,or shipping a nut and bolt from NC to Texas for 89,000.The list goes on and on.The people who right the checks already mis allocate lots of money that could help causes like this.Is it really how to pay for it or what to do with them?
And if you were a single mother spending your cash on nails,coffee,and IPads I would hope that the subsidized $$ you were receiving and using to pay for that stuff was because you needed to look professional,alert and business like while putting together a new résumé so you can interview for a job that pays a living wage so you can get yourself off the government titty,take care of your own kids and have the pride and self respect that comes along with it.If you use assistance as a stepping stone to better your life I'm all for it and want to help.If it is your life and your comfy there and happy milking the system then shame on you.
HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him. BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!
I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?
Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.
Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.
Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?
Kids not but the issue is illegal immigration and it's Us companies and Us individuals paying them. Where is the backlash? Oh they vote.
The kids are just a rallying point.
Republicans don't want to stop illegals, they just use it to get votes from prejudiced white Americans.
wahooo dude that's way off base.
Godfather.
It's not. And not saying all that are against illegal immigration are racists but this is yet another means for those in power to play on heard behavior.
Again republicans benefit directly from illegals hiring them so message on fox is meant to rile uneducated poor whites to vote against their best interests. Smart.
As with everything else the money backs illegal labor so no big changes coming. Now as this country changes ethnic ratios, Republican Party as it stands, will disappear.
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well it seems you immigration backers are getting your wish, the cartels are shooting across the border at helicopters and your friends from that wonderful group that calls themselfs MS13 are taking the opertunity to come across amid the kaos....mabe one you can put them up.....just tell they get on their feet, oh my goodness who would have thought this would happen ! ~X( I hope the backers on here get an opertunity to help these poor folks....then again this may not have happen if that piece of shit obama knew how to do his job and incested that people come here LEGALLY !
well it seems you immigration backers are getting your wish, the cartels are shooting across the border at helicopters and your friends from that wonderful group that calls themselfs MS13 are taking the opertunity to come across amid the kaos....mabe one you can put them up.....just tell they get on their feet, oh my goodness who would have thought this would happen ! ~X( I hope the backers on here get an opertunity to help these poor folks....then again this may not have happen if that piece of shit obama knew how to do his job and incested that people come here LEGALLY !
Godfather.
Im pretty sure they have been using the Tijuana Border as a turnstile for years,yeah?
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Another one who likes tell others what they think.SMFH Im in South Florida,I also live work and play side by side with a large influx of immigrants both legal and illegal.Im in what would be considered An upscale beach side town.A nice place for that "Suburban lifestyle".My community just so happens to be a town with a large Guatemalan population.As a community ,we decided it was important to provide those members of our community that had settled here safer/better ways to live,find work,child care,transportation,etc. As a community we had a community center built to help our neighbors acclimate ,get their kids into schools,a safe place to learn English and seek employment and or help with immigration.Bike lanes have been added and many other amenities to make all our towns people,regardless of country of origin,ethnic background whatever feel safe and welcome.Our laborers don't need to stand on corners to find employment.And we embrace this.Yes this is what my tax dollars support.Trust me,as a caring responsible human the well being of my neighbors does affect me.So please don't assume,because I think the legal path is the right path that I'm a hater.And for the record,our beaches kick California's beaches ass so all of us down here are a golden bronze not "brown"
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I really hate the "They don't pay taxes" argument. Like your tax dollars are being effectively used anyway. How much money do we spend on waging war?
Ask my great grandparents what? How they immigrated to a country with 62 million people. That comparison just doesn't work. We have 317 million people in this country. Try overhauling the immigration system and making everyone agree on a path forward.
I live in California. Mexico is a part of my daily life (Spanish speakers, immigrants, workers). I think the real issue here is all the pearl clutching paranoid mouth breathers in parts of the country that think that those "brown people" are gonna move into their town and cause them to not be able to enjoy their suburban lifestyle.
Unless we start to treat immigrants like people we will never find a solution. Don't say you care about them "having a better life". You don't care. You only want to know how it changes yours.
Im in South Florida,I also live work and play side by side with a large influx of immigrants both legal and illegal.Im in what would be considered An upscale beach side town.A nice place for that "Suburban lifestyle".My community just so happens to be a town with a large Guatemalan population.As a community ,we decided it was important to provide those members of our community that had settled here safer/better ways to live,find work,child care,transportation,etc.
As a community we had a community center built to help our neighbors acclimate ,get their kids into schools,a safe place to learn English and seek employment and or help with immigration.Bike lanes have been added and many other amenities to make all our towns people,regardless of country of origin,ethnic background whatever feel safe and welcome.Our laborers don't need to stand on corners to find employment.And we embrace this.Yes this is what my tax dollars support.Trust me,as a caring responsible human the well being of my neighbors does affect me.So please don't assume,because I think the legal path is the right path that I'm a hater.And for the record,our beaches kick California's beaches ass so all of us down here are a golden bronze not "brown"
Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?
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The kids are just a rallying point.
Republicans don't want to stop illegals, they just use it to get votes from prejudiced white Americans.
Godfather.
Lets leave the rhetoric as to why WE think they are here and seek to find out whats going on THERE as a possibility to why their parents or family sent them here.
Sound like a reasonable action by open minded people?
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Godfather.
If I were a single mother on welfare and I spent all my assistance on my hair and nails, Ipads, and starbucks coffee, would you criticize me and dissaprove? Or does spending all my money wrecklessly have an impact on ALL the important issues in my life?
Being Fiscally conservative has nothing to do IMO with being benevolent.Im sure for some it does.but definitely not all.I also don't hitch my wagon to any of the religious right rhetoric and disagree socially with a lot of platform.
Feeding and helping these kids coming up from Central America is of course a humanitarian issue and we as a society need to not block the busses of scared kids and find a way to help them,I agree.But your saying stop giving Ford,Mobil,Johnson and Johnson,etc tax breaks and it will make immigration housing easier? Lets close Fort Bragg and not develop a new drone program and we can use the money to build a tent village for refugees?
Every action has a reaction.Maybe we should look around the other corner and ask hey,how can private industry help?our tax Money is wasted on the stupidest shit all the time(teaching Chinese hookers to speak English at 4 million a year for example,or shipping a nut and bolt from NC to Texas for 89,000.The list goes on and on.The people who right the checks already mis allocate lots of money that could help causes like this.Is it really how to pay for it or what to do with them?
And if you were a single mother spending your cash on nails,coffee,and IPads I would hope that the subsidized $$ you were receiving and using to pay for that stuff was because you needed to look professional,alert and business like while putting together a new résumé so you can interview for a job that pays a living wage so you can get yourself off the government titty,take care of your own kids and have the pride and self respect that comes along with it.If you use assistance as a stepping stone to better your life I'm all for it and want to help.If it is your life and your comfy there and happy milking the system then shame on you.
Again republicans benefit directly from illegals hiring them so message on fox is meant to rile uneducated poor whites to vote against their best interests. Smart.
As with everything else the money backs illegal labor so no big changes coming. Now as this country changes ethnic ratios, Republican Party as it stands, will disappear.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.