Border and immigration crisis.

i_lov_it

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

I was born here, I'm not an immigrant.

Lucky you, huh?

You won the lottery of life. Screw everyone else- it's their tough luck for being born in an inferior country.

See that's funny, I'm not denying a single person the ability to come here, I just expect them to go the legal way.

That's Exactly Right...How is it anyone's fault where you were Born.

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

Define "dreamers"

contained in this link was what I had thought "dreamers" meant. with specific criteria to be met to be classed a "dreamer". It in the first section of this page.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/who-and-where-dreamers-are-revised-estimates

Perhaps I should have directed this question specifically or quoted to reflect that.

Unsung, would you answer please?

callen

Unsung,

Per my earlier post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us/immigrant-surge-rooted-in-law-to-curb-child-trafficking.html?_r=0

Though reading this story appears administration can just do what it needs to do but at this point law says minors need representation to thwart child trafficing.

callen

It's disingenuous I feel to blame the illegals. Easy target for hate when the real culprit gets off the hook or even the radar. Business, free capitalism craves this cheap unrepresented hard working no benefit seeking labor. We like free enterprise without government rules and regulations right?!? Well that's what's driving the migration.

And on kids, they are ready to be indoctrinated in our schools and become cheap labor with minimal medical needs due to age. Hell we'll need cheap labor as large numbers are getting older.

On the kids, One days of bombing of Iraq would of paid for all the kids staying and getting college degree. What's worse?

rgambs

less than half of Fox news statements (the ones chosen by the study group to be verifiable) are true. Msnbc scored significantly better, despite what the idiot conservatives would claim.

Callen you make great points, but you have too much compassion toward mankind for a libertarian to take you seriously. You need to be more cold to humans and stop that criticism of the free market, that is just insanity! How can we live if not in cutthroat competition?

callen

Will acknowledge it would be political suicide for Dem party to seem callous towards Latin kids. You blame them?

And on other side republicans rile up their base. All political, has nothing to do with the issues.

callen

rgambs said:

less than half of Fox news statements (the ones chosen by the study group to be verifiable) are true. Msnbc scored significantly better, despite what the idiot conservatives would claim.

Callen you make great points, but you have too much compassion toward mankind for a libertarian to take you seriously. You need to be more cold to humans and stop that criticism of the free market, that is just insanity! How can we live if not in cutthroat competition?

Added more while you were posting. Ha!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

I was born here, I'm not an immigrant.

Lucky you, huh?

You won the lottery of life. Screw everyone else- it's their tough luck for being born in an inferior country.

See that's funny, I'm not denying a single person the ability to come here, I just expect them to go the legal way.

You might not know this, but the legal way isn't user friendly. Minus an exception here and an exception there... your country doesn't exactly embrace immigrants unless they've got something really special to offer.

It's a little shallow to stand behind your statement when you know damn well the Mexicans seeking refuge are almost assuredly going to be denied. It's a false front.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

I was born here, I'm not an immigrant.

Lucky you, huh?

You won the lottery of life. Screw everyone else- it's their tough luck for being born in an inferior country.

See that's funny, I'm not denying a single person the ability to come here, I just expect them to go the legal way.

You might not know this, but the legal way isn't user friendly. Minus an exception here and an exception there... your country doesn't exactly embrace immigrants unless they've got something really special to offer.

It's a little shallow to stand behind your statement when you know damn well the Mexicans seeking refuge are almost assuredly going to be denied. It's a false front.

too bad so sad i guess. I got mine and to hell with the rest... A very american attitude to be sure. I wanted to point this out but it doesnt matter, its based in compassion so it wont be taken seriously

primussucks

gimmesometruth27 said:

primussucks said:

I said if "I" were to go into Mexico illegally. It's a hypothetical statement to use as an example. It's a very good example because of the irony. I said you can try to enter any other country illegally because it wouldn't matter what country because the result would be the same. Comprende?
While we are at it we should just tear up the constitution and pretend that never existed because lately the constitution appears to not exist.
What's up with all the "you conservative" bullshit? I voted for Obama in 08 fyi. I don't like tying myself down to a particular party. I dont vote for someone only because they are democrat or republican. I'm not afraid to admit when we have a serious problem in washington. I don't care what party anyone is associated with. I recognize bullshit regardless of the
Party and call them out. Is this president infallible? It seems to some he is.

oh cute how you say comprende when referring to crossing into mexico illegally.

serious question. why would anybody seek to enter mexico illegally, even in your hypothetical scenario?

and another serious question, why does it seem like the constitution does not exist? what has specifically been violated lately? what amendment has been violated? what part of it has been torn up?

for your information, i do not vote for people based only on party affiliation. sometimes i vote to prevent somebody from taking office. i voted for kerry to keep bush from winning. i voted for obama to keep palin out of the white house. and as long as you are going on about me calling out conservatives, name me one single thing that the conservatives have gotten right about anything in the last 5 years. just one thing, and you win a cigar at the next show. one thing.

and no, this president is not infallible. if anything, he is just a survivor because he has managed to stay in office and get a small part of his agenda accomplished in the face of congressional opposition that has not been seen in my lifetime. he won in a landslide twice, and he has only managed to get a small part of the agenda that the american people voted for done solely because of conservative opposition.

http://tisaboutfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/a-list-of-obamas-constitutional-violations/
You say you don't vote based on party affiliation and then your very next sentence is your voting to vote against another party!?! Based on reading many of your posts you clearly have a disdain for anything and everything conservative. Fyi there needs to be a middle ground. Not far right and not far left. Bill Clinton understood that and that's why he got a lot accomplished and was our last good president. Our current one is way too far left. It's his way or no way thus all the Executive Orders.
Fyi the Dems control the white house for the last 6 years and the Senate for the last 8 and from 2009-2011 had complete control of president, Congress, and Senate.. So your real question should be: what have the DEMS gotten right in the last 5 years?

callen

primussucks said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

primussucks said:

I said if "I" were to go into Mexico illegally. It's a hypothetical statement to use as an example. It's a very good example because of the irony. I said you can try to enter any other country illegally because it wouldn't matter what country because the result would be the same. Comprende?
While we are at it we should just tear up the constitution and pretend that never existed because lately the constitution appears to not exist.
What's up with all the "you conservative" bullshit? I voted for Obama in 08 fyi. I don't like tying myself down to a particular party. I dont vote for someone only because they are democrat or republican. I'm not afraid to admit when we have a serious problem in washington. I don't care what party anyone is associated with. I recognize bullshit regardless of the
Party and call them out. Is this president infallible? It seems to some he is.

oh cute how you say comprende when referring to crossing into mexico illegally.

serious question. why would anybody seek to enter mexico illegally, even in your hypothetical scenario?

and another serious question, why does it seem like the constitution does not exist? what has specifically been violated lately? what amendment has been violated? what part of it has been torn up?

for your information, i do not vote for people based only on party affiliation. sometimes i vote to prevent somebody from taking office. i voted for kerry to keep bush from winning. i voted for obama to keep palin out of the white house. and as long as you are going on about me calling out conservatives, name me one single thing that the conservatives have gotten right about anything in the last 5 years. just one thing, and you win a cigar at the next show. one thing.

and no, this president is not infallible. if anything, he is just a survivor because he has managed to stay in office and get a small part of his agenda accomplished in the face of congressional opposition that has not been seen in my lifetime. he won in a landslide twice, and he has only managed to get a small part of the agenda that the american people voted for done solely because of conservative opposition.

http://tisaboutfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/a-list-of-obamas-constitutional-violations/
You say you don't vote based on party affiliation and then your very next sentence is your voting to vote against another party!?! Based on reading many of your posts you clearly have a disdain for anything and everything conservative. Fyi there needs to be a middle ground. Not far right and not far left. Bill Clinton understood that and that's why he got a lot accomplished and was our last good president. Our current one is way too far left. It's his way or no way thus all the Executive Orders.
Fyi the Dems control the white house for the last 6 years and the Senate for the last 8 and from 2009-2011 had complete control of president, Congress, and Senate.. So your real question should be: what have the DEMS gotten right in the last 5 years?

Stock market all time high

Unemployment pre recession

Repeal DADT

Stayed out if Libya and Syria and now Iraq.

Healthcare for all no preexisting conditions.

Staying out of Colorado and Washington's voters decisions.

Liberal Supreme Court nominations.

Piss off white bigots.

Perfect of course not.

Indifference71

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

I was born here, I'm not an immigrant.

Lucky you, huh?

You won the lottery of life. Screw everyone else- it's their tough luck for being born in an inferior country.

See that's funny, I'm not denying a single person the ability to come here, I just expect them to go the legal way.

You might not know this, but the legal way isn't user friendly. Minus an exception here and an exception there... your country doesn't exactly embrace immigrants unless they've got something really special to offer.

This sounds cold, but tough shit. Life isn't fair. Should the US just let anyone in the world come here who wants to? Where do you draw the line??

i_lov_it

lukin2006 said:

I doubt anyone in that Photo has Stolen Land.

brianlux

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

unsung

callen said:

Stock market all time high

Unemployment pre recession

Repeal DADT

Stayed out if Libya and Syria and now Iraq.

Healthcare for all no preexisting conditions.

Staying out of Colorado and Washington's voters decisions.

Liberal Supreme Court nominations.

Piss off white bigots.

Perfect of course not.

I'll respond to this when I can stop laughing.

callen

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

The economy would suffer. Prices would immediately rise. Big time inflation.

Was a comedy done on this but can't remember the name.

callen

unsung said:

callen said:

Stock market all time high

Unemployment pre recession

Repeal DADT

Stayed out if Libya and Syria and now Iraq.

Healthcare for all no preexisting conditions.

Staying out of Colorado and Washington's voters decisions.

Liberal Supreme Court nominations.

Piss off white bigots.

Perfect of course not.

I'll respond to this when I can stop laughing.

:-h

Glad I can add joy to your life.

Godfather.

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

brianlux

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Only problem, GF, is good luck finding people to do that kind of work. I did picking for a few few summers once- killer hard work, low pay.

Godfather.

Modern Marvles, technology is and will continue to keep moving forward,I'm sure there is enough machinery out ther to pick what ever it is growing on the farms.
honestly Bro I think this argument for pickers is a little crazy,it like the supporters for immigration are grasping for straws and coming up with anything they can real or not to defend their cause and even at that they can get seasonal work permits can't they ? insted of coming here ilegally .

Godfather.