of course we have that right. Its just a shame we exercize it in the most selfish, exclusionary, and pathetic way possible.
How is it selfish? It's selfish to have an opinion? You just don't agree with the opinion.
it is not selfish to have an opinion, it is a selfish opinion to have. This lame ass right wing (dont deny its a right wing mentality, even if you dont consider yourself an rwinger) idealogy says " I dont want MY taxes to pay for food and healthcare for those OTHERS who were born without OUR advantages. Nevermind MY taxes going into the pockets of the super rich, nevermind MY taxes building drones to extrajudicially assasinate, nevermind MY taxes going toward the NSA spying on me, nope lets talk about government "handouts" to "welfare moms" and "anchor babies". Its a chickenshit deflection that comes from the power elite and those who fall for it are just pathetic. Tow the line and dont criticize the man behind the curtain! Dont worry, you are in the majority, those of us who protest real injustices and inhumanity will continue to talk about peace and equality and you can continue to spout about "them" and "their handouts"
Damn Rgambs,you always throw so much out at the same time.Its funny I agree with some but think you can be way to generalizing in some of your statements. So is Homelannd security and military spending not as important for tax spending then social issues.Have to give the new citizens a safe place right?Im not so sure the Liberal "elite"is any better when it comes to talking out their respective asses,right?
Imagine the desperation it takes to pull up your roots and head for another country to live there illegally and in fear of prosecution. The situations they live in must be extremely poor for them to be willing to do that. I'm sure most of us would never consider it. Doesn't that deserve some compassion? People are people. Why is it OK to shun them and remove them yet continue to support millions upon millions in this country who are essentially unwilling to lift a hand to better their situation?
I say let anyone in who wants to be in. Those that don't like it can find some other country that wants to shun people who need help.
of course we have that right. Its just a shame we exercize it in the most selfish, exclusionary, and pathetic way possible.
How is it selfish? It's selfish to have an opinion? You just don't agree with the opinion.
it is not selfish to have an opinion, it is a selfish opinion to have. This lame ass right wing (dont deny its a right wing mentality, even if you dont consider yourself an rwinger) idealogy says " I dont want MY taxes to pay for food and healthcare for those OTHERS who were born without OUR advantages. Nevermind MY taxes going into the pockets of the super rich, nevermind MY taxes building drones to extrajudicially assasinate, nevermind MY taxes going toward the NSA spying on me, nope lets talk about government "handouts" to "welfare moms" and "anchor babies". Its a chickenshit deflection that comes from the power elite and those who fall for it are just pathetic. Tow the line and dont criticize the man behind the curtain! Dont worry, you are in the majority, those of us who protest real injustices and inhumanity will continue to talk about peace and equality and you can continue to spout about "them" and "their handouts"
Damn Rgambs,you always throw so much out at the same time.Its funny I agree with some but think you can be way to generalizing in some of your statements. So is Homelannd security and military spending not as important for tax spending then social issues.Have to give the new citizens a safe place right?Im not so sure the Liberal "elite"is any better when it comes to talking out their respective asses,right?
so i guess you live in a compartmentalized world where all the issues are seperate and not related? Homeland security, what a joke. When you talk about terror in this thread and the Gaza thread you really sound like a Fox "news analyist". Terrorism is a response to force not an origin of force, if you studied insurgency at all you would recongize that. Fear the terrorists all you like, there is no possible fucking reason the US should spend more than the rest of the world combined on "defense" so that we can bomb babies in foreign land. Just keep gobbling down that trash that the Cheneys and their like feed you, eventually you will choke on it!
of course we have that right. Its just a shame we exercize it in the most selfish, exclusionary, and pathetic way possible.
How is it selfish? It's selfish to have an opinion? You just don't agree with the opinion.
it is not selfish to have an opinion, it is a selfish opinion to have. This lame ass right wing (dont deny its a right wing mentality, even if you dont consider yourself an rwinger) idealogy says " I dont want MY taxes to pay for food and healthcare for those OTHERS who were born without OUR advantages. Nevermind MY taxes going into the pockets of the super rich, nevermind MY taxes building drones to extrajudicially assasinate, nevermind MY taxes going toward the NSA spying on me, nope lets talk about government "handouts" to "welfare moms" and "anchor babies". Its a chickenshit deflection that comes from the power elite and those who fall for it are just pathetic. Tow the line and dont criticize the man behind the curtain! Dont worry, you are in the majority, those of us who protest real injustices and inhumanity will continue to talk about peace and equality and you can continue to spout about "them" and "their handouts"
Damn Rgambs,you always throw so much out at the same time.Its funny I agree with some but think you can be way to generalizing in some of your statements. So is Homelannd security and military spending not as important for tax spending then social issues.Have to give the new citizens a safe place right?Im not so sure the Liberal "elite"is any better when it comes to talking out their respective asses,right?
so i guess you live in a compartmentalized world where all the issues are seperate and not related? Homeland security, what a joke. When you talk about terror in this thread and the Gaza thread you really sound like a Fox "news analyist". Terrorism is a response to force not an origin of force, if you studied insurgency at all you would recongize that. Fear the terrorists all you like, there is no possible fucking reason the US should spend more than the rest of the world combined on "defense" so that we can bomb babies in foreign land. Just keep gobbling down that trash that the Cheneys and their like feed you, eventually you will choke on it!
Sweet,I love rehashed insults.Espescially when the are not accurate.I see your new friends on the Gaza thread have been a good influence.Good for you.originality is so important.
Since I'm not a Fox News guy personally,I can't comment.I am not discussing terrorism,we are talking about Immigration.You think and I quote"if we stop bombing babies and building drones"Somehow we then can be way more humanitarian and give the resources to the single mothers and the immigrants?im not seeing the connection,and that is my question.What is the connection?How are the 2connected?How does your tax money going to the super rich as you say(You know the same evil fuckers who employ many families in this country allowing them to also live the American dream,)and help and pay way more in taxes then the non" super rich".How does this affect immigration? I don't get your anger and snide remarks when others ask you a question of your position.Youre supposed to be a peace loving ,lets help the needy guy. Your supposed to be open minded right.Im the more conservative one and I have spoken to you with nothing but respect and pet things far from personal.
my tone could certainly be more civil, i am sorry i havent managed it well. I am frustrated, i feel that you are deliberately avoiding the issue i am presenting. You ask time and again "how are the two connected" and i shake my head again and again and ask myself "is he for real or is he fucking with me?" so i will break down the logic for you even though i know you are intelligent enough to do it yourself. Our country has a budget. If the budget was bottomless we would feed, clothe, and educate the world right? Why wouldnt we, its in investment in our species. If we had trillions in surplus we would feed, clothe, and educate as many as possible right? Why hold onto money when it can be invested in the continuation of humanity. So the logic follows that if we spent a few FUCKING TRILLION dollars less on war we could feed alot of people! That is how they are connected. Sidenote: whether you watch fox or not you give their talking points verbatim...like the job creators you mentioned in response to my complaint about the rich. GE (they mostly make weapons to feed the wars we debate on here) most years has a net tax GAIN, not liability. GE is not alone in escaping the income tax, several of the largest corporations are right there with them. This doesnt even consider "subsidies" ie welfare, that the companies receive to offset the other taxes they cant avoid paying.
my tone could certainly be more civil, i am sorry i havent managed it well. I am frustrated, i feel that you are deliberately avoiding the issue i am presenting. You ask time and again "how are the two connected" and i shake my head again and again and ask myself "is he for real or is he fucking with me?" so i will break down the logic for you even though i know you are intelligent enough to do it yourself. Our country has a budget. If the budget was bottomless we would feed, clothe, and educate the world right? Why wouldnt we, its in investment in our species. If we had trillions in surplus we would feed, clothe, and educate as many as possible right? Why hold onto money when it can be invested in the continuation of humanity. So the logic follows that if we spent a few FUCKING TRILLION dollars less on war we could feed alot of people! That is how they are connected. Sidenote: whether you watch fox or not you give their talking points verbatim...like the job creators you mentioned in response to my complaint about the rich. GE (they mostly make weapons to feed the wars we debate on here) most years has a net tax GAIN, not liability. GE is not alone in escaping the income tax, several of the largest corporations are right there with them. This doesnt even consider "subsidies" ie welfare, that the companies receive to offset the other taxes they cant avoid paying.
You see,know we are getting somewhere ,maybe I am a little slow On trying to work thru your thinking,I can be a smart ass but was not in what I'm asking.So thanks. I happen to agree with you on corporate welfare,especially Oil companies and Big Pharma.The how and why of that is a whole different conversation and Can lead into many tangents which we should discuss at some point(FDAs connection to big Pharma and all that good conspiracy stuff). I also agree with a Country like our we could funnel more $$ toward helping those in need,Those who are hungry,those that are Sick,or Immigration,human rights,etc. I take a right turn on how we do it.I got a problem with how we spend what is already taken from our pockets.The fools who make these decisions while wasting what revenue we already have.I don't only want to help those who need but I want it to be done with a plan.I want smart spending plan,that just Dosent throw more at a problem but quits wasting existing funds.Want to raise my taxes to help other issues ,then show me responsible spending.Put restrictions and conditions on the subsidies.Make those receiving accountable.Like a big circle of life. We can't just say lets tax the businesses more, take from the military.we have to also look at the where we are wasting what we got.Is private industry the devil here?Or can we work with private businesses to right a problem at less cost to you and me,add jobs and stop wasteful government agency spending. Yes military spending is ridiculous and certainly the waste I'm bitching about is there also(especially).But do we weaken our security in the process? As long as that is not happening then lets not worry about the drone and focus on why we pay 2000.00 for a toilet,or a 150.00 hammer in the military budget. I said in an earlier post.I want to help,but we need more creative ways to do it other then just spending.Like I said.Service for Citizenship,or private families sponsoring immigrant children and then receiving tax credits for doing so. Do you see what I'm saying? I make no bones about being a More fiscally conservative then most here(Maybe thats why i sound like fox news)but I'm not heartless.I just want smarter spending.
my tone could certainly be more civil, i am sorry i havent managed it well. I am frustrated, i feel that you are deliberately avoiding the issue i am presenting. You ask time and again "how are the two connected" and i shake my head again and again and ask myself "is he for real or is he fucking with me?" so i will break down the logic for you even though i know you are intelligent enough to do it yourself. Our country has a budget. If the budget was bottomless we would feed, clothe, and educate the world right? Why wouldnt we, its in investment in our species. If we had trillions in surplus we would feed, clothe, and educate as many as possible right? Why hold onto money when it can be invested in the continuation of humanity. So the logic follows that if we spent a few FUCKING TRILLION dollars less on war we could feed alot of people! That is how they are connected. Sidenote: whether you watch fox or not you give their talking points verbatim...like the job creators you mentioned in response to my complaint about the rich. GE (they mostly make weapons to feed the wars we debate on here) most years has a net tax GAIN, not liability. GE is not alone in escaping the income tax, several of the largest corporations are right there with them. This doesnt even consider "subsidies" ie welfare, that the companies receive to offset the other taxes they cant avoid paying.
You see,know we are getting somewhere ,maybe I am a little slow On trying to work thru your thinking,I can be a smart ass but was not in what I'm asking.So thanks. I happen to agree with you on corporate welfare,especially Oil companies and Big Pharma.The how and why of that is a whole different conversation and Can lead into many tangents which we should discuss at some point(FDAs connection to big Pharma and all that good conspiracy stuff). I also agree with a Country like our we could funnel more $$ toward helping those in need,Those who are hungry,those that are Sick,or Immigration,human rights,etc. I take a right turn on how we do it.I got a problem with how we spend what is already taken from our pockets.The fools who make these decisions while wasting what revenue we already have.I don't only want to help those who need but I want it to be done with a plan.I want smart spending plan,that just Dosent throw more at a problem but quits wasting existing funds.Want to raise my taxes to help other issues ,then show me responsible spending.Put restrictions and conditions on the subsidies.Make those receiving accountable.Like a big circle of life. We can't just say lets tax the businesses more, take from the military.we have to also look at the where we are wasting what we got.Is private industry the devil here?Or can we work with private businesses to right a problem at less cost to you and me,add jobs and stop wasteful government agency spending. Yes military spending is ridiculous and certainly the waste I'm bitching about is there also(especially).But do we weaken our security in the process? As long as that is not happening then lets not worry about the drone and focus on why we pay 2000.00 for a toilet,or a 150.00 hammer in the military budget. I said in an earlier post.I want to help,but we need more creative ways to do it other then just spending.Like I said.Service for Citizenship,or private families sponsoring immigrant children and then receiving tax credits for doing so. Do you see what I'm saying? I make no bones about being a More fiscally conservative then most here(Maybe thats why i sound like fox news)but I'm not heartless.I just want smarter spending.
we can all agree we need to spend smarter thats for sure! But how to do it? There we disagree. While i dont see private industry as the devil, neither is it the solution. Why does a hammer cost the army 100$ because the armed forces have contracts with private industry companies like Honeywell that provide things like hundred dollar hammers. Same with prison privatization, they feed you the line that they will doit cheaper and billions later they just dont. The only difference is whether the money spreads around or accumulates in a few pockets.
Rgambs,Privatizing may not be the solution to everything ,but a partnering may be. take your corporate welfare issue.Demand something other then political or legislative favor and make conditions on those receiving. Its the same as the conditions on the less fortunateCharity is charity even if it is labeled as a subsidy .Dont hamper the free enterprise,empower it .While typing I'm asking myself how.It sounds good but I don't claim to have the answers.I just know what hasn't worked and what will most certainly hurt. As a buisness owner I lean toward anything the Gov offers as a tax relief seems appealing,but what in return.How to work this theory into Immigration also is a bit complex
Imagine the desperation it takes to pull up your roots and head for another country to live there illegally and in fear of prosecution. The situations they live in must be extremely poor for them to be willing to do that. I'm sure most of us would never consider it. Doesn't that deserve some compassion? People are people. Why is it OK to shun them and remove them yet continue to support millions upon millions in this country who are essentially unwilling to lift a hand to better their situation?
I say let anyone in who wants to be in. Those that don't like it can find some other country that wants to shun people who need help.
you have a bitter sweet heart my friend, you are willing to send people that were born and raised here and helped to finacally support and build this country to another country and invite all the illegals to come in and mooch off what we have built ?....very kind indeed but there will be war on the streets/borders before that happens.
Imagine the desperation it takes to pull up your roots and head for another country to live there illegally and in fear of prosecution. The situations they live in must be extremely poor for them to be willing to do that. I'm sure most of us would never consider it. Doesn't that deserve some compassion? People are people. Why is it OK to shun them and remove them yet continue to support millions upon millions in this country who are essentially unwilling to lift a hand to better their situation?
I say let anyone in who wants to be in. Those that don't like it can find some other country that wants to shun people who need help.
They risk their lives because we are weak on our border security and we advertise benefits for them. Of course they will come here, might as well be a red carpet out there. Remove the incentives and they will stay home, hopefully to work towards fixing their own countries instead of making a mess of this one.
Imagine the desperation it takes to pull up your roots and head for another country to live there illegally and in fear of prosecution. The situations they live in must be extremely poor for them to be willing to do that. I'm sure most of us would never consider it. Doesn't that deserve some compassion? People are people. Why is it OK to shun them and remove them yet continue to support millions upon millions in this country who are essentially unwilling to lift a hand to better their situation?
I say let anyone in who wants to be in. Those that don't like it can find some other country that wants to shun people who need help.
They risk their lives because we are weak on our border security and we advertise benefits for them. Of course they will come here, might as well be a red carpet out there. Remove the incentives and they will stay home, hopefully to work towards fixing their own countries instead of making a mess of this one.
funny how the republicans are too wrapped up with their lawsuit vs obama and their impeachment boner to try to do anything else. fuck those guys. seriously, are there not more important things to spend time on???
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
funny how the republicans are too wrapped up with their lawsuit vs obama and their impeachment boner to try to do anything else. fuck those guys. seriously, are there not more important things to spend time on???
if that is a hindrense to obama and it forces his bad disission then maybe he is not capeable of doing this job ?
but said those without valid claims to stay would be sent home. (what's "valid" claim)
In a meeting at the White House with the leaders of Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, Obama said there may be some instances in which migrants from those countries could apply for refugee status, but those instances would be few.(how many are a "few" ?)
but said those without valid claims to stay would be sent home. (what's "valid" claim)
In a meeting at the White House with the leaders of Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, Obama said there may be some instances in which migrants from those countries could apply for refugee status, but those instances would be few.(how many are a "few" ?)
sorry folks I just don't trust obama.
Godfather.
He did say few so let's see. Will be interesting. Think good measured response to situation. Course till Americans stop paying illegals nothing he can do to stop flow. And do remember this didn't start under Obama and if republican was in White House same issues.
how about we keep the kids and deport the racists??
Yes that would work for me they can start here i'm sure some of the one's on here can self deport themselves since they believe it to be such an easy thing to do just buy a ticket hop on plane and bamm your there ....
how about we keep the kids and deport the racists??
So because someone doesn't want the borders wide open, that makes them a racist? Interesting.
these guy's think everybody is a racist or a bigot but beyond that they aint half bad people...and besides it's kind of fun to read their anger towards anybody that disagrees with them.
how about we keep the kids and deport the racists??
Yes that would work for me they can start here i'm sure some of the one's on here can self deport themselves since they believe it to be such an easy thing to do just buy a ticket hop on plane and bamm your there ....
who could that be ? every time you guys get hit with fact's that hurt you pull the race card...why ?
It means that they can't argue using logic because the logic shows that they are wrong, so they resort to emotion which unfortunately means slandering people is the chosen route.
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So is Homelannd security and military spending not as important for tax spending then social issues.Have to give the new citizens a safe place right?Im not so sure the Liberal "elite"is any better when it comes to talking out their respective asses,right?
Fear the terrorists all you like, there is no possible fucking reason the US should spend more than the rest of the world combined on "defense" so that we can bomb babies in foreign land.
Just keep gobbling down that trash that the Cheneys and their like feed you, eventually you will choke on it!
Since I'm not a Fox News guy personally,I can't comment.I am not discussing terrorism,we are talking about Immigration.You think and I quote"if we stop bombing babies and building drones"Somehow we then can be way more humanitarian and give the resources to the single mothers and the immigrants?im not seeing the connection,and that is my question.What is the connection?How are the 2connected?How does your tax money going to the super rich as you say(You know the same evil fuckers who employ many families in this country allowing them to also live the American dream,)and help and pay way more in taxes then the non" super rich".How does this affect immigration?
I don't get your anger and snide remarks when others ask you a question of your position.Youre supposed to be a peace loving ,lets help the needy guy. Your supposed to be open minded right.Im the more conservative one and I have spoken to you with nothing but respect and pet things far from personal.
Sidenote: whether you watch fox or not you give their talking points verbatim...like the job creators you mentioned in response to my complaint about the rich. GE (they mostly make weapons to feed the wars we debate on here) most years has a net tax GAIN, not liability. GE is not alone in escaping the income tax, several of the largest corporations are right there with them. This doesnt even consider "subsidies" ie welfare, that the companies receive to offset the other taxes they cant avoid paying.
I happen to agree with you on corporate welfare,especially Oil companies and Big Pharma.The how and why of that is a whole different conversation and Can lead into many tangents which we should discuss at some point(FDAs connection to big Pharma and all that good conspiracy stuff).
I also agree with a Country like our we could funnel more $$ toward helping those in need,Those who are hungry,those that are Sick,or Immigration,human rights,etc.
I take a right turn on how we do it.I got a problem with how we spend what is already taken from our pockets.The fools who make these decisions while wasting what revenue we already have.I don't only want to help those who need but I want it to be done with a plan.I want smart spending plan,that just Dosent throw more at a problem but quits wasting existing funds.Want to raise my taxes to help other issues ,then show me responsible spending.Put restrictions and conditions on the subsidies.Make those receiving accountable.Like a big circle of life.
We can't just say lets tax the businesses more, take from the military.we have to also look at the where we are wasting what we got.Is private industry the devil here?Or can we work with private businesses to right a problem at less cost to you and me,add jobs and stop wasteful government agency spending.
Yes military spending is ridiculous and certainly the waste I'm bitching about is there also(especially).But do we weaken our security in the process? As long as that is not happening then lets not worry about the drone and focus on why we pay 2000.00 for a toilet,or a 150.00 hammer in the military budget.
I said in an earlier post.I want to help,but we need more creative ways to do it other then just spending.Like I said.Service for Citizenship,or private families sponsoring immigrant children and then receiving tax credits for doing so.
Do you see what I'm saying?
I make no bones about being a More fiscally conservative then most here(Maybe thats why i sound like fox news)but I'm not heartless.I just want smarter spending.
.Dont hamper the free enterprise,empower it .While typing I'm asking myself how.It sounds good but I don't claim to have the answers.I just know what hasn't worked and what will most certainly hurt.
As a buisness owner I lean toward anything the Gov offers as a tax relief seems appealing,but what in return.How to work this theory into Immigration also is a bit complex
Godfather.
They risk their lives because we are weak on our border security and we advertise benefits for them. Of course they will come here, might as well be a red carpet out there. Remove the incentives and they will stay home, hopefully to work towards fixing their own countries instead of making a mess of this one.
happy?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Not quite. Link?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101868547
Godfather.
In a meeting at the White House with the leaders of Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, Obama said there may be some instances in which migrants from those countries could apply for refugee status, but those instances would be few.(how many are a "few" ?)
sorry folks I just don't trust obama.
Godfather.
how about we keep the kids and deport the racists??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Clearly history is forgotten.
your friendly neighborhood bigot /racist
Godfather.
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce