I lived in Lake Worth.. sounds similar. Lots of bike lanes added here too. Also, we had a major problem with Guatemalans lined up on busy streets, running out to cars to try to get work. a few years ago, If you drove a pickup truck down Lake Avenue and stopped for just a moment, they would literally jump in the back of your truck. It was insane. But the city organized a work pickup area and a center to help them find steady work I think. Things seem to have gotten better there. But the crime in the area is still crazy.
I lived in Lake Worth.. sounds similar. Lots of bike lanes added here too. Also, we had a major problem with Guatemalans lined up on busy streets, running out to cars to try to get work. a few years ago, If you drove a pickup truck down Lake Avenue and stopped for just a moment, they would literally jump in the back of your truck. It was insane. But the city organized a work pickup area and a center to help them find steady work I think. Things seem to have gotten better there. But the crime in the area is still crazy.
When I first moved to San Diego, I stopped at a gas station near a Home Depot to fill my tires with air when a stampede of people started charging towards my like I had the last Twinkie on earth. I had no idea what the hell was going on and was kind of freaked out until I realized they thought I was stopping and looking for workers.
We don't have alot of street level crime up here mostly home robberies,car thefts and run of the mill domestic stuff.Down Northlake and south it starts getting real bad.I thought LW was descent when it came to crime?
just how long do you think it takes to journey by foot and train to cover that kind of distance? How treacherous do you think it is? environment, folks that would do you harm? And yet they still come.
So please , tell me/us, what would you have him do? As it stands now, the law as it relates to kids not from mexico is being followed . Do you want him to NOT follow this law? Hvnt you bitched and complained that in soem instances he hasnt followed a law? Stopping people coming across is one thing. What would you have them do with those here now?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
just how long do you think it takes to journey by foot and train to cover that kind of distance? How treacherous do you think it is? environment, folks that would do you harm? And yet they still come.
So please , tell me/us, what would you have him do? As it stands now, the law as it relates to kids not from mexico is being followed . Do you want him to NOT follow this law? Hvnt you bitched and complained that in soem instances he hasnt followed a law? Stopping people coming across is one thing. What would you have them do with those here now?
He will never appease the haters damn if he does damn if he doesn't ...
Have to say appears some are overplaying the "children are fleeing persecution" angle. Sure there may be some but mostly it's opportunity as perceived by their parents that their kids being able to enter the us.
Still doesn't though change fact we have an illegal immigration demand problem internally that is not being addressed.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
How is it bullshit?
You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.
I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.
And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.
The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
How is it bullshit?
You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.
I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.
And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.
The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.
Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?
Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.
I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
How is it bullshit?
You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.
I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.
And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.
The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.
Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?
Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.
I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.
I haven't taken anything personal. I took exception to your callous approach to the entire situation... which you still hold. It's one thing to suggest you need some measures of change to control the border problem, it's quite another to say, "Fuk 'em." We have already been over the fact that to gain entry into the US through legal channels for a 'run-of-the-mill-Mexican-hopeful-immigrant' is akin to climbing Mt. Everest in a t-shirt and shorts... so don't hide your indifference behind the do it legally premise.
I agree with you that the world isn't fair. And it will continue to be not fair if attitudes such as yours remain prevalent.
I continue to assert that the US recreational drug consumer base has a large responsibility for the changing landscape of Mexico, however I don't think I suggested it's completely the US's fault (although much of it is in my opinion). Regardless, it's not a secret that Mexico has established itself as the new front runner in the international drug trade. El Paso trails only New York in cash deposits and is a front runner for safest city in America for its size... while directly across the Rio Grande (a stone's throw) in Juarez, there are over 3,000 drug related homicides a year.
And in this post you speak for the need to be civil, yet in your previous post you spouted 'bullshit' and attempted to make a mockery of a reasonable discussion point. How did you wish for me to respond?
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
How is it bullshit?
You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.
I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.
And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.
The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.
Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?
Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.
I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.
I haven't taken anything personal. I took exception to your callous approach to the entire situation... which you still hold. It's one thing to suggest you need some measures of change to control the border problem, it's quite another to say, "Fuk 'em." We have already been over the fact that to gain entry into the US through legal channels for a 'run-of-the-mill-Mexican-hopeful-immigrant' is akin to climbing Mt. Everest in a t-shirt and shorts... so don't hide your indifference behind the do it legally premise.
I agree with you that the world isn't fair. And it will continue to be not fair if attitudes such as yours remain prevalent.
I continue to assert that the US recreational drug consumer base has a large responsibility for the changing landscape of Mexico, however I don't think I suggested it's completely the US's fault (although much of it is in my opinion). Regardless, it's not a secret that Mexico has established itself as the new front runner in the international drug trade. El Paso trails only New York in cash deposits and is a front runner for safest city in America for its size... while directly across the Rio Grande (a stone's throw) in Juarez, there are over 3,000 drug related homicides a year.
And in this post you speak for the need to be civil, yet in your previous post you spouted 'bullshit' and attempted to make a mockery of a reasonable discussion point. How did you wish for me to respond?
You continue to avoid my question. Where do we draw the line? Do we just let anyone who wants to come into the U.S.?
You call my approach callous. I consider myself realistic. There are always going to be people who suffer hardships and are born into shitty situations. And like I said earlier, I don't understand why the U.S. is expected to come to the rescue for every one of these situations. Even if this current crisis was fixed, there would always be another crisis that people would be up in arms about for the U.S. to step in on. I think that's where my main frustration lies regardless of the issue...I'm just sick of the U.S. being expected to fix all of the world's problems.
I said it was bullshit and then explained myself. I don't belittle people and talk to them like they are children saying that I need to draw a picture to explain the point.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
Yes you should feel guilty blaming illegals and no one does dick against the Americans that hire them.
I know it feels all easy to blame the defenseless but it's wrong. Displaced anger.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Completely understand that these kids from dangerous countries. But at the same time, why should this turn into the U.S.'s problem and cost taxpayers billions of dollars? It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Should the U.S. just welcome in anyone who comes from a poor or dangerous country with open arms? Where do you draw the line?
This is the mentality that fuels the fire for more active border operations: It's harsh, but life isn't fair. Some people are dealt a shitty hand.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
How is it bullshit?
You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.
I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.
And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.
The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.
Yeah, I did say tough shit. The world isn't a fair place. I understand that I'm lucky to have been born in the US. But, I did not say I am not supportive of someone trying to improve their lives. If it's done the right way, I have no issues. And like I said earlier, where do you draw the line? Just let everyone in who wants to come?
Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.
I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.
I haven't taken anything personal. I took exception to your callous approach to the entire situation... which you still hold. It's one thing to suggest you need some measures of change to control the border problem, it's quite another to say, "Fuk 'em." We have already been over the fact that to gain entry into the US through legal channels for a 'run-of-the-mill-Mexican-hopeful-immigrant' is akin to climbing Mt. Everest in a t-shirt and shorts... so don't hide your indifference behind the do it legally premise.
I agree with you that the world isn't fair. And it will continue to be not fair if attitudes such as yours remain prevalent.
I continue to assert that the US recreational drug consumer base has a large responsibility for the changing landscape of Mexico, however I don't think I suggested it's completely the US's fault (although much of it is in my opinion). Regardless, it's not a secret that Mexico has established itself as the new front runner in the international drug trade. El Paso trails only New York in cash deposits and is a front runner for safest city in America for its size... while directly across the Rio Grande (a stone's throw) in Juarez, there are over 3,000 drug related homicides a year.
And in this post you speak for the need to be civil, yet in your previous post you spouted 'bullshit' and attempted to make a mockery of a reasonable discussion point. How did you wish for me to respond?
You continue to avoid my question. Where do we draw the line? Do we just let anyone who wants to come into the U.S.?
You call my approach callous. I consider myself realistic. There are always going to be people who suffer hardships and are born into shitty situations. And like I said earlier, I don't understand why the U.S. is expected to come to the rescue for every one of these situations. Even if this current crisis was fixed, there would always be another crisis that people would be up in arms about for the U.S. to step in on. I think that's where my main frustration lies regardless of the issue...I'm just sick of the U.S. being expected to fix all of the world's problems.
I said it was bullshit and then explained myself. I don't belittle people and talk to them like they are children saying that I need to draw a picture to explain the point.
Mmmm... you were a little more obnoxious than you suggest here.
Regardless... and as for your question... the answer is difficult. I understand the problem and am not simply sticking my head up my ass and suggesting to "eat cake."
With regards to the Mexico situation, the US is complicit in the problem for a few reasons- not fully responsible- but complicit. Consider the following:
The drug trade is thriving in Mexico for the demand the recreational drug users in the US place on the industry. If drugs were legalized in the US... and subsequently produced and distributed inside the US, the cartels would be rendered 'relatively' useless. In time, traditional Mexican life might be restored and the 'flood' of immigrants would be abated somewhat.
As well, whether you care to admit it or not, US citizens have lured Mexican migrants for their own gain and to exploit them as cheap workers. As such, again, the US is complicit in this entire situation. Perhaps it might be time to curb this practice by cutting the snake off at the head- holding the employers accountable in such a way that hiring cheap, illegal employees is not worth the risk.
Maybe I don't see things correctly, but I find it hard to suggest a country should close its doors on a family looking to settle within it and make a life for themselves.
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Godfather.
Godfather.
Will though hurt them in polls so in long run this isn't good strategy.
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
this is a refugee crisis.
big difference.
these kids are fleeing a dangerous homeland, and you all want to keep them out.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So please , tell me/us, what would you have him do?
As it stands now, the law as it relates to kids not from mexico is being followed . Do you want him to NOT follow this law? Hvnt you bitched and complained that in soem instances he hasnt followed a law?
Stopping people coming across is one thing. What would you have them do with those here now?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.
Still doesn't though change fact we have an illegal immigration demand problem internally that is not being addressed.
Godfather.
Just as long as its not you, eh?
Let me draw a parallel: What about the person afflicted with cancer? That person eats up waaaay more medical costs than I do. Why should we have to subsidize his/her costs? Life's not fair. Just die already.
Are Mexican people less human than American people?
That's complete bullshit. So I should feel guilty because I was fortunate to be born in America?? Give me a fucking break. And your parallel about someone with cancer is not a parallel at all. We're talking about the specific issue of immigration here. But yeah, go ahead and take my views on 1 subject and project that on to something else.
I'm not saying anyone is less human than anyone else. But I do think a U.S. citizen who pays their taxes should have more rights than someone who is here illegally, yes. It just gets old when everyone expects the U.S. to solve every fucking problem in the world.
Godfather.
You basically said, "Tough shit" to those not fortunate enough to be born into a good situation and that you are not supportive of their efforts to improve their lives.
I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty as much as I was trying to make you understand you are lucky.
And don't give yourself too much credit here. The US isn't exactly solving problems as much as they are creating them for the Mexican people. If you would stop snorting cocaine and smoking pot that has been manufactured in Mexico... the people there might not be so inclined to try and leave their country as it disintegrates around them.
The parallel stands. You obviously cannot understand it and I don't know how to draw pictures on this forum to assist you with doing that.
are there any native americans here and if so how do you feel about this topic?
Godfather.
Oh man, so now it's the US's fault that Mexico is a mess? This is rich.
I understand your parallel. I do not agree with your parallel. But hey, go ahead and talk to me like I'm a child...I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself. This is why I usually stay off this part of the forum....people make things so personal and can't have a rational conversation when there are different viewpoints.
I agree with you that the world isn't fair. And it will continue to be not fair if attitudes such as yours remain prevalent.
I continue to assert that the US recreational drug consumer base has a large responsibility for the changing landscape of Mexico, however I don't think I suggested it's completely the US's fault (although much of it is in my opinion). Regardless, it's not a secret that Mexico has established itself as the new front runner in the international drug trade. El Paso trails only New York in cash deposits and is a front runner for safest city in America for its size... while directly across the Rio Grande (a stone's throw) in Juarez, there are over 3,000 drug related homicides a year.
And in this post you speak for the need to be civil, yet in your previous post you spouted 'bullshit' and attempted to make a mockery of a reasonable discussion point. How did you wish for me to respond?
You call my approach callous. I consider myself realistic. There are always going to be people who suffer hardships and are born into shitty situations. And like I said earlier, I don't understand why the U.S. is expected to come to the rescue for every one of these situations. Even if this current crisis was fixed, there would always be another crisis that people would be up in arms about for the U.S. to step in on. I think that's where my main frustration lies regardless of the issue...I'm just sick of the U.S. being expected to fix all of the world's problems.
I said it was bullshit and then explained myself. I don't belittle people and talk to them like they are children saying that I need to draw a picture to explain the point.
I know it feels all easy to blame the defenseless but it's wrong. Displaced anger.
Regardless... and as for your question... the answer is difficult. I understand the problem and am not simply sticking my head up my ass and suggesting to "eat cake."
With regards to the Mexico situation, the US is complicit in the problem for a few reasons- not fully responsible- but complicit. Consider the following:
The drug trade is thriving in Mexico for the demand the recreational drug users in the US place on the industry. If drugs were legalized in the US... and subsequently produced and distributed inside the US, the cartels would be rendered 'relatively' useless. In time, traditional Mexican life might be restored and the 'flood' of immigrants would be abated somewhat.
As well, whether you care to admit it or not, US citizens have lured Mexican migrants for their own gain and to exploit them as cheap workers. As such, again, the US is complicit in this entire situation. Perhaps it might be time to curb this practice by cutting the snake off at the head- holding the employers accountable in such a way that hiring cheap, illegal employees is not worth the risk.
Maybe I don't see things correctly, but I find it hard to suggest a country should close its doors on a family looking to settle within it and make a life for themselves.