Border and immigration crisis.

callen

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.

Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.

Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.

Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.

callen

"A Day Without a Mexican". http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GpV9xrXeWH4

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. said:

Modern Marvles, technology is and will continue to keep moving forward,I'm sure there is enough machinery out ther to pick what ever it is growing on the farms.
honestly Bro I think this argument for pickers is a little crazy,it like the supporters for immigration are grasping for straws and coming up with anything they can real or not to defend their cause and even at that they can get seasonal work permits can't they ? insted of coming here ilegally .

Godfather.

I agree.

Enough of everyone reflecting on how much produce might cost if the US was successful at preventing Mexicans from crossing the border. People are talking of the Mexican immigrants as if all they are good for is picking fruit.

The entire situation is a difficult one, but two things keep getting neglected in this discussion:

1. The US is largely responsible for the illegal drug industry that has gutted Mexico. Some of the same people that get high on drugs produced and imported from Mexico are the ones that wish for a higher and more resilient wall. This is a pretty callous and selfish attitude. You likely can't see the blood on the drugs you take, but trust me when I say it's there.

2. The legal channels do not offer much- if any- promise at all for Mexican people looking to seek refuge from a country that offers them very little hope outside of changing sheets in an all-inclusive resort or joining one side of the drug war or the other. By stating, "Immigrants looking to enter America need to do so as the law provides for"... people are propping up their position with unfair legal backing that supports their attitudes very well, but fails to take into account the compassion and understanding necessary to support every individual potential immigrant situation as a unique and isolated situation.

Godfather.

callen said:

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.

Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.

Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.

Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.

I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work.
Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.


Godfather.

callen

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.

Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.

Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.

Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.

I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work.
Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.


Godfather.

Agree and this is a problem. Has caused huge shift in available jobs for blue collar skilled Americans. Affecting me as well. But most Americans benefit from cheaper housing. And overall would argue our GDP is higher with illegals, rightly or not. BUT at least in Texas it's the republican owned construction companies that hire them. Blaming illegals is skirting the real issue.

caifan82

Lol at the "come here legally" argument... I think I already said this here once, but here it goes again: I own a house, 2 cars and have a pretty decent job in IT. I'm half French, half Mexican...so I don't look like your common fruit picker. I'm not rich, but I do OK.
A few years ago I tried, for the first time, to get a tourist american visa, so I could attend a job conference (it was in Orlando, I think). Well, it was rejected. I tried again 6 months later... rejected again.... Apparently there was not enough evidence I would be coming back.
I can only imagine what happens when Jesus in rags and sandals, with 3 pesos in his pockets tries to apply for one...

You guys can be all you want against illegal immigration, but stop fooling yourselves with that "feel good" argument. It's not real, and just doesn't work.

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.

Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.

Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.

Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.

I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work.
Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.


Godfather.

No, the greed of the builders hiring a crew at less than going rate for same work in a given area. THAT is what the problem is. The explosion in building that was occurring up to the housing crash fed into it. Think about it, inflated housing prices, lower cost to build because of immigrant crews willing to work their asses off for quicker turn around times coupled with a lending environment that had people foolishly thinking they could handle payments.

I used to work in low voltage wiring (alarms, CCTV, data, Tv), I can recall wondering out loud just WHO it was buying all these houses back then.

Godfather.

the only people profiting off those immigrant built homes was/is the contractors,in california houses sell at market value not the construction cost, and as far working their ass's off for for lower pay they have no argument to stand with,first off they should not be here and 2nd they came in offering to work for lower pay so as far as the immigrants are concerned they set them selfs up for that.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

If the builders werent soooo willing to employ these workers then they wouldnt have THAT work to "steal" to begin with.

brianlux

If James Howard Kunstler, Richard Heinberg and others are right about peak oil becoming a reality, a large percentage of the population will be involved in food production and the "price of food" argument will be a moot point. Meanwhile, it does factor in. We Americans are used to getting what we want and getting it cheaply and that is definitely at least partly how we encourage illegal immigration and foreign farm workers. As a society, we're cheap and we're soft.

chadwick

yes as a society we are fucking soft, damn spoiled & catered too. in all actuality this fucking sucks & i dislike people like this. therefore i love mexicans. callen put up a link to a video, "a day without a mexican" that well off family w/ the asshole for a husband & dad & the huge ass home... yes i know it's a bit of a comedy... fuckers like that make me ill

gimmesometruth27

i'm still waiting for an example of one thing republicans have gotten right....

:-?

gimmesometruth27

anybody see the twitter fail by the arizona candidate who took a picture of a school bus filled with local kids headed to a ymca and tweeted that it was illegal immigrants headed to the place where they are being held??

jon stewart is probably going to have fun with that one tonight...

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

If the builders werent soooo willing to employ these workers then they wouldnt have THAT work to "steal" to begin with.

that's so true,these people/contractors when cought should be arrested and charged , there is bakery in san diego close to the border that was shut down and fined because they employed illegal's they even made fake papers for them but less than a year later they are back in business. (S & S bakery in chula vista)

Godfather.

chadwick

i believe people should have food

unsung

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.

Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.

Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.

Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.

I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work.
Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.


Godfather.

This is a true statement. I did residential electrical work for ten years.

unsung

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.

Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.

Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.

Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.

I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work.
Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.


Godfather.

Agree and this is a problem. Has caused huge shift in available jobs for blue collar skilled Americans. Affecting me as well. But most Americans benefit from cheaper housing. And overall would argue our GDP is higher with illegals, rightly or not. BUT at least in Texas it's the republican owned construction companies that hire them. Blaming illegals is skirting the real issue.

The only one that benefits is the builder, he doesn't mark his houses down because illegal aliens are building them.

callen

unsung said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

It has often been stated that we rely on illegal immigrants for labor so much that to turn them away is hypocritical. Thoughts on how to address that?

yes ,remove the problem and the demand for immigrant labor will stop and this country will do as it has done many times in the past "adjust" and move on.

Godfather.

Adjustment could have catastrophic results. May be good in the end as lazy teens would have to again cut the grass.

Construction would be severely affected. Restaurants. Far reaching aspects.

Course this won't happen as big donors to both parties benefit from cheap un-represented labor. It's all a farce people.

Imagine if 11 million people suddenly left the US.

I grew up in the construction trades, the illegal immigrants you speak of did not come here to do jobs in the construction field that Americans did not want,anybody who believes that has no clue, they came in working for in many cases less than half of the going hourly wage and in fact they used to say Americans want too much money to work.
Illegal immigration has ruined the construction trades for Americans and that my friend is cold hard fact.


Godfather.

Agree and this is a problem. Has caused huge shift in available jobs for blue collar skilled Americans. Affecting me as well. But most Americans benefit from cheaper housing. And overall would argue our GDP is higher with illegals, rightly or not. BUT at least in Texas it's the republican owned construction companies that hire them. Blaming illegals is skirting the real issue.

The only one that benefits is the builder, he doesn't mark his houses down because illegal aliens are building them.

In a competitive market builders do compete. Lands cheap and plentiful in a Texas and people are price conscious. Free market. Listened to story on radio and they interviewed guy that said he has to use illegals cause all his competitors do. Said easy to get around cause he hires all as independent contractors so has no legal obligations. How it's done. And these owners are republican and of course dems. I know sound like broken record but let's stop hating on illegals. They're just poor suffering humans ghat risk everything for what we take for granted. If I lived in Honduras not sure if I'd have the balls. These are hard working desperate humans.

rr165892

Let me share a little story.I have a specialty Construction Firm.We have been in our market place for decades and I have built a great rep within my field.We are known for our quality and service and don't come cheap. We run a very tight ship.No one works for me without full license,Insurance,Workers Comp etc.We audit our Sub crews all the time making sure the employes of the tradesmen/company's we hire are all legal and properly covered by comp.
A few years back,a sub contractor had an employee not show up.Without informing my office this dickhead went and got a laborer off a street corner and brought him on my job. He then not only had him doing basic labor but had him working on tougher things that involved the need for safety PPEs.This laborer.Not being trained or supervised proceeded to get metal in his eye.Long story short,this20 year old kid ended up losing vision in the eye.When I became aware many months later after being served papers,I found out this kid was an illegal alien who lied about his status,had no drivers license ,Dosent pay taxes,or SS but as it turns out is eligible for full government comp benefits and My company was held responsible.We got dropped by our comp carrier and now pay many thousands a year more then we did back then.Remember even with all our due diligence we still are on the hook.Even though this kid was indeed breaking the law he still gets everything at my expense.Now who pays for my increased Comp?My clients,and the cycle continues.
This is just one problem with the immigration issue.And to be clear my wife is from England and it took her years to become a US citizen but she did it the proper way,

rgambs

this story makes me appreciate having 2 good eyes!