Border and immigration crisis.

rgambs

primussucks said:

callen said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?

Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.

Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.

Isn't this like blaming the pencil for the spelling mistake? Or the gun for the murder? ILLEGALS is the key word in your statement!

your analogy skills are very weak. In your anologies the pencil and gun are the tools that are being used by an operator which is to blame, who happens to be doing something ILLEGAL...you proved the point you wanted to refute with a poor set of analogies lol. Why would you blame the drug users and absolve the drug sellers? Theres an anology that works.

callen

unsung said:

callen said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?

Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.

Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.

Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?

Kids not but the issue is illegal immigration and it's Us companies and Us individuals paying them. Where is the backlash? Oh they vote.

The kids are just a rallying point.

Republicans don't want to stop illegals, they just use it to get votes from prejudiced white Americans.

rr165892

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

we could feed ourselves and the illegals for less than we spend on war. or tax breaks for Fortune 100 companies. the fat cats want us to fight about these small beans issues that wouldnt even exist if they didnt hold the purse strings so tight. sorry if i was aggressive, eds letter has had me thinking that we argue over the dumbest things and act as if they are as important or moreso than love and peace.

Rgambs,Again with all due respect,because I get your idealistic and ultimately want a better world and I'm assuming relatively young(If I'm off base,I apologize) let me ask you this based on your above comment.How does our military spending,or our corporate tax codes impact the immigration issue ? I think each item above is a conversation starter all to themselves.

Rgambs you never responded.What says you?

Godfather.

callen said:

unsung said:

callen said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?

Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.

Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.

Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?

Kids not but the issue is illegal immigration and it's Us companies and Us individuals paying them. Where is the backlash? Oh they vote.

The kids are just a rallying point.

Republicans don't want to stop illegals, they just use it to get votes from prejudiced white Americans.

wahooo dude that's way off base.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

is anyone up on the news from the past couple years in these three countries where most of these kids are from?

Lets leave the rhetoric as to why WE think they are here and seek to find out whats going on THERE as a possibility to why their parents or family sent them here.

Sound like a reasonable action by open minded people?

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

is anyone up on the news from the past couple years in these three countries where most of these kids are from?

Lets leave the rhetoric as to why WE think they are here and seek to find out whats going on THERE as a possibility to why their parents or family sent them here.

Sound like a reasonable action by open minded people?

I was watching the news yesterday evening and was thinking the same thing but aside from the obvieous (poverty) it could be any number of reasons, drug wars and drug lords threatining their familys ????? or maybe they just saw an opertunity to try and achieve the American dream the wrong way.

Godfather.

josevolution

mickeyrat said:

is anyone up on the news from the past couple years in these three countries where most of these kids are from?

Lets leave the rhetoric as to why WE think they are here and seek to find out whats going on THERE as a possibility to why their parents or family sent them here.

Sound like a reasonable action by open minded people?

I agree for parents or for kids with out parents to just say i have to get the fuck out of this crime ridden place and walk a few thousand miles to safety surely must say something about their situation , i saw on the news a 7yr old looking for her parents up here 7yr old , but no lets just put her on a plane and send her back she's 7 .... I'll look into taking one of the young kids into my family if i'm allowed ......

josevolution

The poor don't get visas to leave those country's they just don't , you can apply but you get turned down based on your status of wealth ....So you can say there is a correct way to get here but it doesn't apply when you considered who these kids are .....Only the wealthy get those visas why ? because they have something to make them come back home for ....

rgambs

rr165892 said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

we could feed ourselves and the illegals for less than we spend on war. or tax breaks for Fortune 100 companies. the fat cats want us to fight about these small beans issues that wouldnt even exist if they didnt hold the purse strings so tight. sorry if i was aggressive, eds letter has had me thinking that we argue over the dumbest things and act as if they are as important or moreso than love and peace.

Rgambs,Again with all due respect,because I get your idealistic and ultimately want a better world and I'm assuming relatively young(If I'm off base,I apologize) let me ask you this based on your above comment.How does our military spending,or our corporate tax codes impact the immigration issue ? I think each item above is a conversation starter all to themselves.

Rgambs you never responded.What says you?

how do the costs of war and corporate welfare have an impact on immigration? How can you ask such a simple question? X minus 1,000,000,000 equals...wait, you dont need a math lesson you are being facetious, no? If our coffers were bursting with surplus I dont see how you could argue not to feed and shelter children, though if you are a true conservative, you might just find a way. If you think war and poverty throughout the world are unrelated then perhaps idealistic is not a strong enough word to describe that sort of delusion. I answered your (shoulda been) rhetorical question, now let me ask one with an equally obvious answer.
If I were a single mother on welfare and I spent all my assistance on my hair and nails, Ipads, and starbucks coffee, would you criticize me and dissaprove? Or does spending all my money wrecklessly have an impact on ALL the important issues in my life?

rr165892

I feel your lumping all the issues together and trying to make a stew of big problem that is linked directly.
Being Fiscally conservative has nothing to do IMO with being benevolent.Im sure for some it does.but definitely not all.I also don't hitch my wagon to any of the religious right rhetoric and disagree socially with a lot of platform.
Feeding and helping these kids coming up from Central America is of course a humanitarian issue and we as a society need to not block the busses of scared kids and find a way to help them,I agree.But your saying stop giving Ford,Mobil,Johnson and Johnson,etc tax breaks and it will make immigration housing easier? Lets close Fort Bragg and not develop a new drone program and we can use the money to build a tent village for refugees?
Every action has a reaction.Maybe we should look around the other corner and ask hey,how can private industry help?our tax Money is wasted on the stupidest shit all the time(teaching Chinese hookers to speak English at 4 million a year for example,or shipping a nut and bolt from NC to Texas for 89,000.The list goes on and on.The people who right the checks already mis allocate lots of money that could help causes like this.Is it really how to pay for it or what to do with them?

And if you were a single mother spending your cash on nails,coffee,and IPads I would hope that the subsidized $$ you were receiving and using to pay for that stuff was because you needed to look professional,alert and business like while putting together a new résumé so you can interview for a job that pays a living wage so you can get yourself off the government titty,take care of your own kids and have the pride and self respect that comes along with it.If you use assistance as a stepping stone to better your life I'm all for it and want to help.If it is your life and your comfy there and happy milking the system then shame on you.

callen

Godfather. said:

callen said:

unsung said:

callen said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

HE was just trying to do the job asked of him so he could make some money. The american broke the law in having him there and not protecting him.
BIG PICTURE? are you fucking kidding me? You are nitpicking about legalities and fiscal consequences and I am talking about loving your fellow man and living cooperatively. Some big picture you've got there, better preserve it for future generations!

I'm curious, how many illegals to do let live with you rent free? How many of these kids are you going to adopt, take to school, take to the doctor, feed and clothe?

Step up, your fellow man needs you. Lead by example.

Deflection again. The illegal is invited to come here by US companies that pay for cheap labor. It's the Americans that do this, not the poor desperate illegals.

Really? What US company is hiring these tens of thousands on kids that just walked into Texas?

Kids not but the issue is illegal immigration and it's Us companies and Us individuals paying them. Where is the backlash? Oh they vote.

The kids are just a rallying point.

Republicans don't want to stop illegals, they just use it to get votes from prejudiced white Americans.

wahooo dude that's way off base.

Godfather.

It's not. And not saying all that are against illegal immigration are racists but this is yet another means for those in power to play on heard behavior.

Again republicans benefit directly from illegals hiring them so message on fox is meant to rile uneducated poor whites to vote against their best interests. Smart.

As with everything else the money backs illegal labor so no big changes coming. Now as this country changes ethnic ratios, Republican Party as it stands, will disappear.

chadwick

pains in our asses = old fat white polititians or even slim old goofy ass polititians. the majority of them are throughly 9/10ths useless

lukin2006

mickeyrat

lukin2006 said:

Bit earlier than that.

Godfather.

well it seems you immigration backers are getting your wish, the cartels are shooting across the border at helicopters and your friends from that wonderful group that calls themselfs MS13 are taking the opertunity to come across amid the kaos....mabe one you can put them up.....just tell they get on their feet, oh my goodness who would have thought this would happen ! ~X( I hope the backers on here get an opertunity to help these poor folks....then again this may not have happen if that piece of shit obama knew how to do his job and incested that people come here LEGALLY !

Godfather.

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

Bit earlier than that.

the asians came here long before the three famous ships but everybody is so caught up in race they don't know the truth or just don't care.,

Godfather.

rr165892

Godfather. said:

well it seems you immigration backers are getting your wish, the cartels are shooting across the border at helicopters and your friends from that wonderful group that calls themselfs MS13 are taking the opertunity to come across amid the kaos....mabe one you can put them up.....just tell they get on their feet, oh my goodness who would have thought this would happen ! ~X( I hope the backers on here get an opertunity to help these poor folks....then again this may not have happen if that piece of shit obama knew how to do his job and incested that people come here LEGALLY !

Godfather.

Im pretty sure they have been using the Tijuana Border as a turnstile for years,yeah?

mickeyrat

Ummmmm, yeah.

Godfather.

sorry for the rant train members,I'm just a little pissed off.......I need to turn off ALL news stations.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

rr165892 said:

Another one who likes tell others what they think.SMFH
Im in South Florida,I also live work and play side by side with a large influx of immigrants both legal and illegal.Im in what would be considered An upscale beach side town.A nice place for that "Suburban lifestyle".My community just so happens to be a town with a large Guatemalan population.As a community ,we decided it was important to provide those members of our community that had settled here safer/better ways to live,find work,child care,transportation,etc.
As a community we had a community center built to help our neighbors acclimate ,get their kids into schools,a safe place to learn English and seek employment and or help with immigration.Bike lanes have been added and many other amenities to make all our towns people,regardless of country of origin,ethnic background whatever feel safe and welcome.Our laborers don't need to stand on corners to find employment.And we embrace this.Yes this is what my tax dollars support.Trust me,as a caring responsible human the well being of my neighbors does affect me.So please don't assume,because I think the legal path is the right path that I'm a hater.And for the record,our beaches kick California's beaches ass so all of us down here are a golden bronze not "brown"

Sounds like we're neighbors. Lake Worth?