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jfconnorjrjfconnorjr Posts: 518
edited May 2014 in The Porch
I know this is meaningless but thought I would see what the feeling is out there.
Would you like to have a lottery or not have a lottery for ticket selection.
To clarify, this is the lotto system to see if you get a ticket to the show not Row 1-2 or 9-10.

Lottery or No Lottery 414 votes

No Lottery for Upcoming US Tour
37% 154 votes
Lottery for Upcoming US Tour
62% 260 votes
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  • VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 2,182
    I really lucked out on the last tour with the lottery, but I think it's a fair system that lets people who usually have to watch from far away a chance to get up closer.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    The lottery is the most fair method for the most people whether I win it or not. Lottery all the way.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,078
    Lottery yes. Ga, no
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    edited May 2014
    Oh, and since mcgruff10 mentioned it, GA YEEEESSS!!! Love GA - so so fun! And allows so many more people to have the chance to get closer to the action. Praying that PJ never goes back to a seats in front of the stage. Doubt they will because they clearly enjoy the GA crowd in front of them more. :) Without GA, even with a lottery, a huge number of 10C members will NEVER get anywhere near the stage because of seniority seating, which doesn't seem fair to me.
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,853
    edited May 2014
    I didn't vote. The amount of tickets the 10c gets access to every show is the same regardless of the distribution system. The two different methods generally mean that different 10c members benefit from the different systems, which might alter which fans get to go, but still results in the same amount of fans going, and the same amount of fans missing out....

    I got tickets for Vancouver last year and missed out on Seattle.

    If it's the lottery there are two tweaks I'd like to see:

    1) 1 draw per show. Include an opt out button for people that don't want GA. Splitting the shows into two draws causes some interesting dilemmas about how to split preferences, and situations where people could see two shows before someone sees 1 (IE instead of splitting your first two pref. for the same show, you choose resereved at one show, then reserved at another show). It didn't impact alot of people but I think 1 draw per show would be smoother

    2) Preferences should be for the whole tour on the continent. When they split N.A. into two, it gave people with the means to travel two #1 prefs which is kind of an advantage over people who don't have the means to travel, or just want to see their local show.

    I think the lottery was pretty good, but I never missed out on F5, so it's wash for me. A few tweaks could make it better, but they aren't absolutely necessary.
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  • RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,560
    GA, yes. But, I was taught along time ago that life is not fair.

    Down with the lotto.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    RedMosquito02 said:

    GA, yes. But, I was taught along time ago that life is not fair.

    Down with the lotto.

    Lol. But when things CAN be fair they should be.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,078
    Pj soul....I like ga but there way too many problems last tour. They need to tweak it. I really like the way Bruce handles the ga thing.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    edited May 2014
    You mean the stupid line outside? I don't think 10C should even get involved in that. Not their problem. I think those who line up all day to get 3 feet closer to the stage pretty much deserve whatever gong show the line ups end up being. But I do like the Springsteen method. I just don't think that the idiots in the line ups outside should impact GA inside. 50 morons should make it so that thousands can't enjoy the pit? That seems really fucked up to me.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2014
    PJ_Soul said:

    Without GA, even with a lottery, a huge number of 10C members will NEVER get anywhere near the stage because of seniority seating, which doesn't seem fair to me.

    Fair if you have a GOOD Number ;) lol

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    i_lov_it said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Without GA, even with a lottery, a huge number of 10C members will NEVER get anywhere near the stage because of seniority seating, which doesn't seem fair to me.

    Fair if you have a GOOD Nunber ;) lol

    Well, still not fair at all, but the people with good numbers don't care about fairness for the most part. Whatever gets them the best seats as often as possible, and fuck everyone else. ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    PJ_Soul said:

    i_lov_it said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Without GA, even with a lottery, a huge number of 10C members will NEVER get anywhere near the stage because of seniority seating, which doesn't seem fair to me.

    Fair if you have a GOOD Nunber ;) lol

    Well, still not fair at all, but the people with good numbers don't care about fairness for the most part. Whatever gets them the best seats as often as possible, and fuck everyone else. ;)
    Well YOU Should of *Joined* up to the 10C earlier then :P lol...Anyway we DON'T even get pearl Jam Tours down here.
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited May 2014
    The lottery absolutely SUCKS when you request 2 shows and get shut out of both of them, while you have other people winning multiple shows. Either make it so everyone "wins" at least one show, or drop lottery altogether. That, is unfair. I got shut out last year while only requesting 2 shows.
  • NoloadNoload Monticello, Georgia Posts: 1,634
    The lottery doesnt bother me too much, but lose GA!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    Noload said:

    The lottery doesnt bother me too much, but lose GA!

    I can't say I understand why people don't like GA, but in any case, it seem unlikely they'll drop it. They sell more tickets with GA. I'd say at least 1,000 more.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    backseatLover12 said:

    The lottery absolutely SUCKS when you request 2 shows and get shut out of both of them, while you have other people winning multiple shows. Either make it so everyone "wins" at least one show, or drop lottery altogether. That, is unfair. I got shut out last year while only requesting 2 shows.

    They can't make it so everyone "wins" one show, especially in high demand cities. They don't have the tickets to meet the demand. Would not matter how they do it.They tired saying for cities with more than one night you can only win one to help spread the tickets, about best they can do.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,843
    I say no lottery, especially as it was. I feel with 2 separate pools of GA vs Reserved really opened the door to provide an advantage to those who open multiple accounts and/or team with others. I have never, ever seen nearly this many people with "extras" peddling them. It also encouraged people to put in for more shows they wouldnt really intend on going to otherwise.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    I've won one show out of three lotteries. But I was still at all the shows I wanted to see for face value. Ticket buddies are the best. :)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • EB218946EB218946 Posts: 4,005
    Lottery for sure. I was able to get front row at the Hartford concert. Eddie poured me some wine. Never had any luck with the old ticket process.
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited May 2014
    .
    pjsteelerfan said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    The lottery absolutely SUCKS when you request 2 shows and get shut out of both of them, while you have other people winning multiple shows. Either make it so everyone "wins" at least one show, or drop lottery altogether. That, is unfair. I got shut out last year while only requesting 2 shows.

    They can't make it so everyone "wins" one show, especially in high demand cities. They don't have the tickets to meet the demand. Would not matter how they do it.They tired saying for cities with more than one night you can only win one to help spread the tickets, about best they can do.
    The best they can do, is get rid of the lottery.

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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    MayDay10 said:

    I say no lottery, especially as it was. I feel with 2 separate pools of GA vs Reserved really opened the door to provide an advantage to those who open multiple accounts and/or team with others. I have never, ever seen nearly this many people with "extras" peddling them. It also encouraged people to put in for more shows they wouldnt really intend on going to otherwise.

    I agree.
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    backseatLover12 said:

    .

    pjsteelerfan said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    The lottery absolutely SUCKS when you request 2 shows and get shut out of both of them, while you have other people winning multiple shows. Either make it so everyone "wins" at least one show, or drop lottery altogether. That, is unfair. I got shut out last year while only requesting 2 shows.

    They can't make it so everyone "wins" one show, especially in high demand cities. They don't have the tickets to meet the demand. Would not matter how they do it.They tired saying for cities with more than one night you can only win one to help spread the tickets, about best they can do.
    No one should have to enter more shows than one is sincerely going to attend. Get rid of the lottery if they can't make it fair!
    No one has to enter for more shows than they want. In the old system, people still bought tickets to shows they "hoped" they could attend and wasted them when they could not go. In the old system, you could very well have got shut out of shows in a high demand city the same way one is shut out in the lottery. There is no system that is going to work for everyone.
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,489
    I'm not really a fan of the lottery deciding whether or not you even get a ticket to a show, but I'm totally ok with a lottery for your actual seat.
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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    pjsteelerfan said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    .

    pjsteelerfan said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    The lottery absolutely SUCKS when you request 2 shows and get shut out of both of them, while you have other people winning multiple shows. Either make it so everyone "wins" at least one show, or drop lottery altogether. That, is unfair. I got shut out last year while only requesting 2 shows.

    They can't make it so everyone "wins" one show, especially in high demand cities. They don't have the tickets to meet the demand. Would not matter how they do it.They tired saying for cities with more than one night you can only win one to help spread the tickets, about best they can do.
    No one should have to enter more shows than one is sincerely going to attend. Get rid of the lottery if they can't make it fair!
    No one has to enter for more shows than they want. In the old system, people still bought tickets to shows they "hoped" they could attend and wasted them when they could not go. In the old system, you could very well have got shut out of shows in a high demand city the same way one is shut out in the lottery. There is no system that is going to work for everyone.
    I'm not one of those suckers who's going to buy a ticket to a show I don't fully plan on attending. "Waste tickets"? My wallet certainly doesn't warrant that sort of behavior. I don't assume that people do this, and if they do, they're stupid.
  • RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,560
    PJ_Soul said:

    RedMosquito02 said:

    GA, yes. But, I was taught along time ago that life is not fair.

    Down with the lotto.

    Lol. But when things CAN be fair they should be.
    ;)
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  • red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
    F5 is so stressful.
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  • CopperTomCopperTom Posts: 3,135
    mcgruff10 said:

    Lottery yes. Ga, no

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  • DercheefDercheef Germany Posts: 732
    red mos said:

    F5 is so stressful.

    F5 for lottery results is not much less stressful imo
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,527
    Dercheef said:

    red mos said:

    F5 is so stressful.

    F5 for lottery results is not much less stressful imo
    You don't have to clear an entire day and enlist friends and family to enter the lottery though.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,228
    They should just have everyone write a number on their hand
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