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Spiritual_Chaos · July 2013

Antigone wrote:

hell_man_made wrote:

I would like to say this I think there should be a lottery for hometown fans first, then out of towners second. It's not fair for a hometown fan to not get tickets and when an out of towner won.

I second this sentiment. I don't think it's fair that I got shut out of my hometown, especially since the band doesn't frequently tour. In my case, last time they played LA was 2009. So I've waited 4 years to see my favorite band as a 10C member and I get nothing? While my friend, who lives in another state AND set LA as a lower priority (I had set mine to #3) gets tix. Really? That's fair how? Regardless of whether I've been a 10C member for 15 years and have a decent number, I don't feel that's right. I've always been able to get at least one pair of tix to my hometown show until now. Hope this system is a work in progress because it currently sucks. :thumbdown:

Most people will put their Prio#1 at the place closest to them, so you and hell-man-made have that Hometown-thing already.

Or are you being so selfish to actually think that fans living in the few actual cities that PJ tour (and tour over and over again) should have more right to tickets?

Wouldn't really be far to the many cities, states and COUNTRIES where they doesn't tour at all.

Just selfish and egocentric. And not fair in any way, whatever

hell_man_made wrote:

thinks.

CO278952 · July 2013

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

Antigone wrote:

hell_man_made wrote:

I would like to say this I think there should be a lottery for hometown fans first, then out of towners second. It's not fair for a hometown fan to not get tickets and when an out of towner won.

I second this sentiment. I don't think it's fair that I got shut out of my hometown, especially since the band doesn't frequently tour. In my case, last time they played LA was 2009. So I've waited 4 years to see my favorite band as a 10C member and I get nothing? While my friend, who lives in another state AND set LA as a lower priority (I had set mine to #3) gets tix. Really? That's fair how? Regardless of whether I've been a 10C member for 15 years and have a decent number, I don't feel that's right. I've always been able to get at least one pair of tix to my hometown show until now. Hope this system is a work in progress because it currently sucks. :thumbdown:

Most people will put their Prio#1 at the place closest to them, so you and hell-man-made have that Hometown-thing already.

Or are you being so selfish to actually think that fans living in the few actual cities that PJ tour (and tour over and over again) should have more right to tickets?

Wouldn't really be far to the many cities, states and COUNTRIES where they doesn't tour at all.

Agreed. I lost the lottery but still planning to go through ticketmaster to travel from Orlando up to NJ for the Brooklyn night 2 show. Since I moved to Orlando 8 years ago, they have toured down here once in '08. They have toured NY/PA area almost every year since then. You should just be grateful the band is coming to your area and get the tickets through ticketmaster.

jp307677 · July 2013

We flew in from Boston on Thursday morning and had a great two days around Wrigley meeting some good people (like at all PJ shows). The unbearable heat and long waiting in the GA line was all worth it when we ended up being in the second row (finally after 9 shows)! We were surrounded by an amazing group and atmosphere near the stage. This all changed after the intermission.

I hate to complain about something the band and venue had no realistic control over, but it sucks. Post-storm, half the people in the GA area were drunk, rowdy losers who didn't belong there (they had no wristbands). They rushed the area and pushed themselves up front with us now stuck in the back. The whole atmosphere changed and it was awful. It was my girlfriend's first show and now probably her last. I feel bad, because the the boys really did everything possible to make this show, but they could have done and played anything and it didn't matter. Hanging out around Wrigley in the days leading up to show was amazing and we met some really great people from Pennsylvania, Memphis, LA, and even a couple from Alaska. It's just too bad, but the show itself was a huge disappointment for us.

Sprunkn7 · July 2013

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jp307677 · July 2013

We flew in from Boston on Thursday morning and had a great two days around Wrigley meeting some good people (like at all PJ shows). The unbearable heat and long waiting in the GA line was all worth it when we ended up being in the second row! We were surrounded by an amazing group and atmosphere near the stage. This all changed after the intermission.

I hate to complain about something the band and venue had no realistic control over, but it sucks. Post-storm, half the people in the GA area were drunk, rowdy losers who didn't belong there (they had no wristbands). They rushed the area and pushed themselves up front with us now stuck in the back. The whole atmosphere changed and it was awful. It was my girlfriend's first show and now probably her last. I feel bad, because the the boys really did everything possible to make this show, but they could have done and played anything and it didn't matter. Hanging out around Wrigley in the days leading up to show was amazing and we met some really great people from Pennsylvania, Memphis, LA, and even a couple from Alaska. It's just too bad, but the show itself was a huge disappointment for us.

PJFaninIndy · July 2013

Don't have time to read all of the posts so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but the method that was used for merchandise at Wrigley was an absolute disaster. Myself (and many others who were really cool to meet) stood in line for 3+ hours on Friday at the Waveland merch tent only to leave empty handed with no show poster. Now I (along with many others) will shell out $100+ for one on the secondary market.

The lines were a mess with zero crowd control. I felt kind if bad for the people working the tent since there were only 3 people who had to deal with hundreds of people in line.

Also, the fact that people could buy 2 of each poster...ridiculous. Offer them up as a set of 4 or individual. This would help let more people who actually went to the show have a chance at one as opposed to people looking to just make a quick buck. Why not pre-sell the poster as an option when you buy your tix through the 10Club? I am sure people would be more than willing to pay the extra money for postage to just know they have one comin in the mail a week or so after the show. This helps put posters in hands of attendees of the show...the people who really want them.

All this being said I had a great time and hope they come through the Midwest sometime again real soon.

Antigone · July 2013

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

Antigone wrote:

hell_man_made wrote:

I would like to say this I think there should be a lottery for hometown fans first, then out of towners second. It's not fair for a hometown fan to not get tickets and when an out of towner won.

I second this sentiment. I don't think it's fair that I got shut out of my hometown, especially since the band doesn't frequently tour. In my case, last time they played LA was 2009. So I've waited 4 years to see my favorite band as a 10C member and I get nothing? While my friend, who lives in another state AND set LA as a lower priority (I had set mine to #3) gets tix. Really? That's fair how? Regardless of whether I've been a 10C member for 15 years and have a decent number, I don't feel that's right. I've always been able to get at least one pair of tix to my hometown show until now. Hope this system is a work in progress because it currently sucks. :thumbdown:

Most people will put their Prio#1 at the place closest to them, so you and hell-man-made have that Hometown-thing already.

Or are you being so selfish to actually think that fans living in the few actual cities that PJ tour (and tour over and over again) should have more right to tickets?

Wouldn't really be far to the many cities, states and COUNTRIES where they doesn't tour at all.

Just selfish and egocentric. And not fair in any way, whatever

hell_man_made wrote:

thinks.

Fortunately I got tix (to SD), but you're missing my point (or maybe it didn't come across clear in text). I just used my case as an example where my friend, who lives out of state, set a show lower priority and got tix versus me, the hometowner, who sets that same show higher priority and doesn't get tix.

I've read of other 10C'ers who truly did get shut out of heir hometown and other shows. Then, there are others who got tix to multiple shows (my friend being one of them)--shows where perhaps one pair of tix would have gone to a hometowner who got shut out. I side with the hometowners. Not everybody is able to travel to other cities.

Put yourself in their shoes. I think you'd be really unhappy if you weren't able to get 10C tix, especially if you learn that someone who lives out of state or country won multiple shows, one of which was your hometown. You want to talk about selfish and egocentric, talk to those people who won most, if not all, of their choices. Talk to those people who've recently seen them play, entered the drawing *again* and won *again*. Wanting to see them in your hometown is not selfish.

Bottom line, all 10C'ers should be allowed to win at least one show - be it hometown or another city of choice. That's fair.

Dercheef · July 2013

Antigone wrote:

Fortunately I got tix (to SD), but you're missing my point (or maybe it didn't come across clear in text). I just used my case as an example where my friend, who lives out of state, set a show lower priority and got tix versus me, the hometowner, who sets that same show higher priority and doesn't get tix.

I've read of other 10C'ers who truly did get shut out of heir hometown and other shows. Then, there are others who got tix to multiple shows (my friend being one of them)--shows where perhaps one pair of tix would have gone to a hometowner who got shut out. I side with the hometowners. Not everybody is able to travel to other cities.

Put yourself in their shoes. I think you'd be really unhappy if you weren't able to get 10C tix, especially if you learn that someone who lives out of state or country won multiple shows, one of which was your hometown. You want to talk about selfish and egocentric, talk to those people who won most, if not all, of their choices. Talk to those people who've recently seen them play, entered the drawing *again* and won *again*. Wanting to see them in your hometown is not selfish.

Bottom line, all 10C'ers should be allowed to win at least one show - be it hometown or another city of choice. That's fair.

Well you would've gotten you hometown show if you would have put it as your #1 Pick. But since you didn't you I guess you just didn't want to got that bad...but still you complain. :fp:
A lot of people will never ever get a hometown show in their lifes and that is why they have to travel to see a few shows. So why again should you get tickets to your hometown instead of those people? At least you have the convenience of sleeping in your own bed when you come home. I had that experience 2 out of 34 times I saw them and still I had to drive for two hours before I got home.

cmjamrozy · July 2013

Concert/ Tour Shirts
Lots of posts and didn't make it thru all of them so if this a repeat, sorry... I read a few about the insanely long lines for merch with most concerns about posters. I am a tshirt guy and try to get one for all shows I go to both PJ and others ( I think it will be a cool thing for my kids one day) It seems each year it gets harder and harder to get a shirt at shows so would like to see the one of the following offered for 10c members ...
1) the opportunity to order a shirt with your tickets and pick it up at will call along with tix. Lots of bands doing this now, most recently did it with RUSH tix I ordered.
2) have concert specific shirts available after shows exclusively for 10c members on the website.
I would much rather wait for a back-ordered shirt via the site than wait over an hr in line at a show to find all that left are mediums (too small for me).

If anyone has an xl or 2xl from Wrigley and not charging $100 like I am seeing now on eBay, let me know.

demetrios · July 2013

Please 10club. Please sell the box sets / card packages sold @ Wrigley Field available for sale @ the 10club store.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2013

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

Most people will put their Prio#1 at the place closest to them, so you and hell-man-made have that Hometown-thing already.

Or are you being so selfish to actually think that fans living in the few actual cities that PJ tour (and tour over and over again) should have more right to tickets?

Wouldn't really be far to the many cities, states and COUNTRIES where they doesn't tour at all.

Just selfish and egocentric. And not fair in any way, whatever

hell_man_made wrote:

thinks.

I think the point some are trying to make is that some people go to multiple shows and win them all, or some, or most, and people who can't afford to travel get shut out of the one show they can actually go to, that's all. not trying to shut people out (like myself) where the band rarely travels to.

Antigone · July 2013

Dercheef wrote:

Antigone wrote:

Fortunately I got tix (to SD), but you're missing my point (or maybe it didn't come across clear in text). I just used my case as an example where my friend, who lives out of state, set a show lower priority and got tix versus me, the hometowner, who sets that same show higher priority and doesn't get tix.

I've read of other 10C'ers who truly did get shut out of heir hometown and other shows. Then, there are others who got tix to multiple shows (my friend being one of them)--shows where perhaps one pair of tix would have gone to a hometowner who got shut out. I side with the hometowners. Not everybody is able to travel to other cities.

Put yourself in their shoes. I think you'd be really unhappy if you weren't able to get 10C tix, especially if you learn that someone who lives out of state or country won multiple shows, one of which was your hometown. You want to talk about selfish and egocentric, talk to those people who won most, if not all, of their choices. Talk to those people who've recently seen them play, entered the drawing *again* and won *again*. Wanting to see them in your hometown is not selfish.

Bottom line, all 10C'ers should be allowed to win at least one show - be it hometown or another city of choice. That's fair.

Well you would've gotten you hometown show if you would have put it as your #1 Pick. But since you didn't you I guess you just didn't want to got that bad...but still you complain. :fp:
A lot of people will never ever get a hometown show in their lifes and that is why they have to travel to see a few shows. So why again should you get tickets to your hometown instead of those poeple? At least you have the convenience of sleeping in your own bed when you come home. I had that experience 2 out of 34 times I saw them and I still had to drive for two hours before I got home.

Once again, you are completely missing my entire point. Re-read what I previously wrote. I am not complaining. I am voicing my opinion and standing with others who were shut out. Not that it's even relevant, but I didn't choose LA first because I knew it would be higher demand and my chances of winning a random drawing would be slim, and look, I was right; I didn't win (regardless of priority). Remember, member city and number doesn't count in this lotto system. If 2,000 people from all over world are entering the lotto for an LA show and only 1,000 tix are available, what are my chances? I choose a less popular city, like San Diego, where only 200 people enter the drawing with 1,000 tix available, what are my chances? Do I not have a better chance at San Diego than LA? So, having explained that, imagine another city with high demand and 10C members who are unable to travel outside their hometown.

You can say "feel grateful that they're coming to your town" or "at least you have the convenience of sleeping in your own bed" blah, blah, blah. That's all beside the point. If it would cost nothing to be part of the club, then I can see the free-for-all random lotto system. In my opinion, the fact that people pay membership so that they can get good tix changes the dynamic.

Let me reverse your question and ask you this hypothetical--if you saw them last year in Europe, why should I feel OK with you winning tix in my US hometown when you had your opportunity last year and I haven't seen them in 4 years? (assuming this North American tour lotto was open to members overseas) Is it fair that I have to wait another 4 years to *maybe* win tix? And please, let's not introduce "there's always Ticketbastard." Again, people pay yearly membership for a reason.

pulling69 · July 2013

Antigone wrote:

Dercheef wrote:

Antigone wrote:

Fortunately I got tix (to SD), but you're missing my point (or maybe it didn't come across clear in text). I just used my case as an example where my friend, who lives out of state, set a show lower priority and got tix versus me, the hometowner, who sets that same show higher priority and doesn't get tix.

I've read of other 10C'ers who truly did get shut out of heir hometown and other shows. Then, there are others who got tix to multiple shows (my friend being one of them)--shows where perhaps one pair of tix would have gone to a hometowner who got shut out. I side with the hometowners. Not everybody is able to travel to other cities.

Put yourself in their shoes. I think you'd be really unhappy if you weren't able to get 10C tix, especially if you learn that someone who lives out of state or country won multiple shows, one of which was your hometown. You want to talk about selfish and egocentric, talk to those people who won most, if not all, of their choices. Talk to those people who've recently seen them play, entered the drawing *again* and won *again*. Wanting to see them in your hometown is not selfish.

Bottom line, all 10C'ers should be allowed to win at least one show - be it hometown or another city of choice. That's fair.

Let me reverse your question and ask you this hypothetical--if you saw them last year in Europe, why should I feel OK with you winning tix in my US hometown when you had your opportunity last year and I haven't seen them in 4 years? (assuming this North American tour lotto was open to members overseas) Is it fair that I have to wait another 4 years to *maybe* win tix? And please, let's not introduce "there's always Ticketbastard." Again, people pay yearly membership for a reason.

Couldn't you have gone to Europe to see them as they are going to do coming here? :nono:

sam8th · July 2013

If it would cost nothing to be part of the club, then I can see the free-for-all random lotto system. In my opinion, the fact that people pay membership so that they can get good tix changes the dynamic.

Let me reverse your question and ask you this hypothetical--if you saw them last year in Europe, why should I feel OK with you winning tix in my US hometown when you had your opportunity last year and I haven't seen them in 4 years? (assuming this North American tour lotto was open to members overseas) Is it fair that I have to wait another 4 years to *maybe* win tix? And please, let's not introduce "there's always Ticketbastard." Again, people pay yearly membership for a reason.[/quote]

THANK YOU, ANTIGONE - I got shut out entirely and have been waiting and paying dues for a membership for the tickets, haven't seen Pearl Jam since 2009 when they last toured. Membership fees went way up and I could have used that cash to pay for the tickets I'm going to have to find next Saturday via ... ugh ... Ticketmaster ... Will I have to wait four more years and keep paying dues to hope for tickets again in the future?? I sure hope not.

Dercheef · July 2013

Antigone wrote:

Dercheef wrote:

Antigone wrote:

Fortunately I got tix (to SD), but you're missing my point (or maybe it didn't come across clear in text). I just used my case as an example where my friend, who lives out of state, set a show lower priority and got tix versus me, the hometowner, who sets that same show higher priority and doesn't get tix.

I've read of other 10C'ers who truly did get shut out of heir hometown and other shows. Then, there are others who got tix to multiple shows (my friend being one of them)--shows where perhaps one pair of tix would have gone to a hometowner who got shut out. I side with the hometowners. Not everybody is able to travel to other cities.

Put yourself in their shoes. I think you'd be really unhappy if you weren't able to get 10C tix, especially if you learn that someone who lives out of state or country won multiple shows, one of which was your hometown. You want to talk about selfish and egocentric, talk to those people who won most, if not all, of their choices. Talk to those people who've recently seen them play, entered the drawing *again* and won *again*. Wanting to see them in your hometown is not selfish.

Bottom line, all 10C'ers should be allowed to win at least one show - be it hometown or another city of choice. That's fair.

Well you would've gotten you hometown show if you would have put it as your #1 Pick. But since you didn't you I guess you just didn't want to got that bad...but still you complain. :fp:
A lot of people will never ever get a hometown show in their lifes and that is why they have to travel to see a few shows. So why again should you get tickets to your hometown instead of those poeple? At least you have the convenience of sleeping in your own bed when you come home. I had that experience 2 out of 34 times I saw them and I still had to drive for two hours before I got home.

Once again, you are completely missing my entire point. Re-read what I previously wrote. I am not complaining. I am voicing my opinion and standing with others who were shut out. Not that it's even relevant, but I didn't choose LA first because I knew it would be higher demand and my chances of winning a random drawing would be slim, and look, I was right; I didn't win (regardless of priority). Remember, member city and number doesn't count in this lotto system. If 2,000 people from all over world are entering the lotto for an LA show and only 1,000 tix are available, what are my chances? I choose a less popular city, like San Diego, where only 200 people enter the drawing with 1,000 tix available, what are my chances? Do I not have a better chance at San Diego than LA? So, having explained that, imagine another city with high demand and 10C members who are unable to travel outside their hometown.

You can say "feel grateful that they're coming to your town" or "at least you have the convenience of sleeping in your own bed" blah, blah, blah. That's all beside the point. If it would cost nothing to be part of the club, then I can see the free-for-all random lotto system. In my opinion, the fact that people pay membership so that they can get good tix changes the dynamic.

Let me reverse your question and ask you this hypothetical--if you saw them last year in Europe, why should I feel OK with you winning tix in my US hometown when you had your opportunity last year and I haven't seen them in 4 years? (assuming this North American tour lotto was open to members overseas) Is it fair that I have to wait another 4 years to *maybe* win tix? And please, let's not introduce "there's always Ticketbastard." Again, people pay yearly membership for a reason.

First of all, I'm sorry but your chances of winning LA were much better than winning San Diego. In La you could only get one show and the arena is bigger than in SD. Actually after Seattle San Diego was the toughest ticket to get on the west coast.
Everyone of us pays the same memebership fees, so why shouldn't it be a free for all lotto system?
And how exactly would your idea work anyways? How would you determine who should get tickets and who shouldn't? Again, hometown advantage screws a lot of people, same goes for country or continent advantages. A time restriction? I should only be allowed to buy tix until everyone around the globe got the chance before me? That again would be a regional restriction which is bullshit. Only one ticket per tour? People in high demand areas would still be screwed and 10c would sell less tickets in other citys which is defienately not in their interest.
And since PJ will play new stuff on the coming tour, I absolutely see no reason why I shouldn't be able to buy tickets just because they might get back to europe.

There just is no system which would guarantee you tickets and any such system would screw a lot of people.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2013

Antigone wrote:

Fortunately I got tix (to SD), but you're missing my point (or maybe it didn't come across clear in text). I just used my case as an example where my friend, who lives out of state, set a show lower priority and got tix versus me, the hometowner, who sets that same show higher priority and doesn't get tix.

And this seems to be a big error in the lottery, higher prios should be honored. That is how I thought it would work.

And if the lottery worked in that way, that the people with a higher priority could not loose to someone who had put the exact same choice lower - than you have that hometown-prio pretty much in practice.

Cuz as a rule I'm sure most people would put their closest arena as prio1. (excluding foreigners, like myself)

Dercheef · July 2013

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

Antigone wrote:

Fortunately I got tix (to SD), but you're missing my point (or maybe it didn't come across clear in text). I just used my case as an example where my friend, who lives out of state, set a show lower priority and got tix versus me, the hometowner, who sets that same show higher priority and doesn't get tix.

And this seems to be a big error in the lottery, higher prios should be honored. That is how I thought it would work.

And if the lottery worked in that way, that the people with a higher priority could not loose to someone who had put the exact same choice lower - than you have that hometown-prio pretty much in practice.

Cuz as a rule I'm sure most people would put their closest arena as prio1. (excluding foreigners, like myself)

I think Antigone meant higher priority as in higher number and not as in better pick.
You are right, it basically is a hometown priority, but Antigone went for SD as first pick and then got shutout for LA.

Kimmiebyrom · July 2013

Firstly, THANK YOU Pearl Jam for completely and totally BRINGING IT at Wrigley. In what could have been an absolute disaster for everyone, you were a class act as always. Not only did Ed set the tone by addressing the fans in a positive manner, and promising more music, they came back after the weather to play a full show! That is MY band, yes!!! It could not have been easy (for Ed especially) to have to stop the show. In fact, my heart broke for him. To come back to a 90%+ full venue after a 3 hour rain delay and just completely blow us away - the best band ever! The ONLY thing that was in the band's control that would have improved the situation was periodic updates. That would have helped very much. Other than that, thank you for an amazing night I'll never forget!

Secondly, I'd love to see a pre-sale of posters/shirts for future shows. Perhaps the ability to choose when purchasing tickets to have shipped or picked up at the show. I'm not thinking things will be as crazy on this next tour at each individual city as they were at Wrigley, but it certainly would help in ensuring merch is getting into more fans hands than flippers.

papa_pearls_jam.pj20 · July 2013

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Firstly, THANK YOU Pearl Jam for completely and totally BRINGING IT at Wrigley. In what could have been an absolute disaster for everyone, you were a class act as always. Not only did Ed set the tone by addressing the fans in a positive manner, and promising more music, they came back after the weather to play a full show! That is MY band, yes!!! It could not have been easy (for Ed especially) to have to stop the show. In fact, my heart broke for him. To come back to a 90%+ full venue after a 3 hour rain delay and just completely blow us away - the best band ever! The ONLY thing that was in the band's control that would have improved the situation was periodic updates. That would have helped very much. Other than that, thank you for an amazing night I'll never forget!

Secondly, I'd love to see a pre-sale of posters/shirts for future shows. Perhaps the ability to choose when purchasing tickets to have shipped or picked up at the show. I'm not thinking things will be as crazy on this next tour at each individual city as they were at Wrigley, but it certainly would help in ensuring merch is getting into more fans hands than flippers.

:thumbup:

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2013

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