THE LINE & "THE LIST"

81 wrote:

the interesting thing....there are multiple gates...

will there be multiple lists...that need to be merged....or will the ga folks only be allowed to enter at one gate.

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Exactly. I would ASSUME that for a GA section, there'd be only one entry, but you never know.


Honestly, after reading this damn thread I'm bout ready to deface the list in ways that no one has ever seen before. :shock: :shock: :ugeek: :ugeek:

The craziest part about all this is...




























































































You're all adults.

Mamasan Bren wrote:

Kathi wrote:

I thought the list worked fine for the EU shows last year (with the exception of Berlin 2, or "the italian job"). People didn't go all Nazi about it, and the ones who wanted to be up front were there all day, with only short breaks to get food/water...many of those people were doing a lot of shows, so you got to know each other, and queuing became an actually nice part of the day, just sitting there chatting to a lot of other excited fans.

List or not, you'll usually know who was here before you and who wasn't. I'm hoping they'll have staggered entry like at the EU shows, so there won't be any stampedes going on.

But that's the point I was trying to make in the first post of this thread. "The list" allows for these "short breaks" for "food/water". Where is the cut-off on time away? So some people get there at 5:30 a.m. and wait almost 12 hours with one or two five-minute step-outs to go to the bathroom. But others have these "short breaks" up to an hour at a time away from the line 3-4 times throughout these same 12 hours. Why? Because they can, because "my name is on" "The list." Is that fair? Is that really waiting? Is it waiting in line when you're actually off enjoying a bar or restaurant? Or popping over to the pre-party on your "short break"? That's what I was referring to that happens when "The list" gets employed. It's a tool that allows for abuse of getting out of the uncomfortableness that is the true waiting out at a rock concert for the enjoyment of an up-front experience. The only truly fair line is one where if you leave it, you go to the end of it. It's just tough due to the fact that a lot are willing to put in a long day starting in the early a.m. hours. Ay, there's the rub.

That can happen with or without a list - one of a group can stay in line and 'keep spots' for their mates who are off for a few hours (or who were never even there in th first place). Pretty much every gig (non PJ) I've been to people keep on joining the queue in front of us because their friend/s are already there.

It's not because of a list or lack of it that people don't behave in a fair way. It's because in all walks of life, no matter what activity is happening, no matter what systems (or lack of) are in place, there are always those people who feel it is their right to ignore any sense of fairness or morality snd step on anyone/thing in their way if they can benefit from it some way, shape or form.

It's society - a crazy breed. Nothing's going to change it in the foreseeable future (especially not in time for Wrigley! ). So just accept that, regardless whether there is a list or not, someone's going to do something you don't see as 'fair' and will no doubt result in them being in front of you in the line - just concentrate on your own behaviour and enjoy the show!

the funny is...people accusing the list..the line...

i dont care,cos im not gonna do either,i dont need to be infront ,ill walk in before the show starts,but alot seems to forget that this "system" is out there cos some assholes dont respect anything,,
try to cheat for be infront,and pass other that wait all day out of the venue...

if people respect eachother,if people treat eachother good,there is no need of any kind of list..

the problem is those assholes.they create the problem...who give a shit about a list,if people are respectful...

The idea of a list is ridiculous. This is completely over the top. The idea of GA police is nuts. Life is way too short to worry about something like this. Will you only have a good time at the show if you get the rail?!

I have GA seats, and I think this is too ridiculous. If you want the rail, line up Wednesday to ensure your spot.

Only Non-GA show I've seen with PJ was Verona in 2006. And I liked that model the best. Having your seat but still be close enough.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

the funny is...people accusing the list..the line...

i dont care,cos im not gonna do either,i dont need to be infront ,ill walk in before the show starts,but alot seems to forget that this "system" is out there cos some assholes dont respect anything,,
try to cheat for be infront,and pass other that wait all day out of the venue...

if people respect eachother,if people treat eachother good,there is no need of any kind of list..

the problem is those assholes.they create the problem...who give a shit about a list,if people are respectful...

Exactly what I was getting at. Whatever you do/are doing in life at any given time, someone is likely trying to figure out a way to screw you and/or the system for their benefit. It's evolution baby!

strummers wrote:

It's not because of a list or lack of it that people don't behave in a fair way. It's because in all walks of life, no matter what activity is happening, no matter what systems (or lack of) are in place, there are always those people who feel it is their right to ignore any sense of fairness or morality snd step on anyone/thing in their way if they can benefit from it some way, shape or form.

I completely agree. Thankfully, there aren't too many of them. Unless the venue or 10C steps up and puts a firm system in place, technically, anything goes.

As someone said, we're all adults. I'm perfectly capable of remembering who is in front of me and who is behind me in a line. I think the idea of a list is a little controlling and ............. not really sure what word I want to use.

Here's the thought: We all have to make decisions and deal with the outcome. If people arrive ridiculously early and are prepared to wait all day, pee-breaks only, they should get in before everyone else. That's serious dedication. If someone wants to wait in line for the first 9 hours and then leave for 3 hours, they should have to work it out with the people around them in line. Some people might be fine with it, some might not. To simply be able to say "well tough shit, there's A LIST" is a little weak. The same for holding spots or showing up early, putting your name on a list and leaving until 4, expecting to be 20th in line.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

joberschlake wrote:

The idea of a list is ridiculous. This is completely over the top. The idea of GA police is nuts. Life is way too short to worry about something like this. Will you only have a good time at the show if you get the rail?!

I have GA seats, and I think this is too ridiculous. If you want the rail, line up Wednesday to ensure your spot.

i agree.i dont like the list....but if i come 5 min before gates open and stand in front of you,and you are there from Wednesday,then what??see who is taller?more handsome and get in front..?
again,people are the issue,and not any kind of stupid list..

People are the problem, but not just the ones that want to surpass the line. The ones coming up with these kind of ideas are the problem also.

I stood in line early and got by the rail at music midtown in front of mike. Did that stop the people behind me from trying to push me out, no. Would a list have stopped it?! No.

It's just a stupid bad idea.

There were some awful lists in Europe 2012....

Some ran the thing great - however by the time I hit Berlin it had descended into chaos. Those running the list night 2 were truely awful.

I'd echo the sentiment of many / just be cool. Be nice to your neighbor and stay fair. Don't let the odd people abusing the situation ruin your day. It's not worth it.