THE LINE & "THE LIST"

Cosmo

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

How is the starting time for a list determined?

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Depends on who starts the list.
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I was at that Fonda gig and there was a list for people who didn't have tickets. It was a joke because there were never any tickets for sale, since this was a music industry show. someone started the list and there were already 50 name on it before it got to me... I was the 23rd person that was physically in line. People were writing a bunch of names, so it was bogus to begin with.
When it came around that there were going to be tickets available, the security guy tossed the list because the List Nazis were acting like List Nazis, so he just randomly picked people in the crowd. You got to pick one person to go in with you, so, we paired up... those of us who were there alone or with an odd number of friends.
The List Nazis downfall was trying to get everyone to form a single file line, according to the list. Everyone thought that was just too Kindergarden for adults. Almost all of us got in... and the ones that didn't, were let in after the main set.

Gibson

I think as long as everyone in the line before 6am gets their 4 breaks of 15 minutes, 3 breaks of 12 minutes or less and 1 leave of absence that can be 5 hours in length, but has to end before 3pm - that's ok.

Anyone that shows up before noon, can have 3 pee breaks, and an unpaid lunch.

Anyone that shows up after 3:30pm can claim they were here before 7am, but has only 4 attempts to convince someone that they were originally standing right in front of them.

Anything else would just cause chaos.

dimitrispearljam

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

How is the starting time for a list determined?

if i understand well,the 1st person arrives there..is what i heard at least happens at europe shows..dont know,never be there first..

JOEJOEJOE

Not sure if this has been suggested, but perhaps the venue could distribute numbered wristbands at 4pm, and at 5pm, choose a starting number to determine the order of the line. In order to avoid separating people from their friends, they could give distribute the wristbands in sequential order. Anyone arriving after wristband distribution would get in line behind those with wristbands.

vant0037

This sounds like an absolute nightmare. Travel 7 hours to Chicago to spend what I'm sure will be a hot and awesome day (the "awesomeness" related to the beer I'll be drinking when I'm not sitting on a sidewalk) on a street corner, allowing some self-appointed superfan to control my spot in line?

I'll bar hop and keep my reserved tickets thank you. Who's in?

JOEJOEJOE

dimitrispearljam wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

How is the starting time for a list determined?

if i understand well,the 1st person arrives there..is what i heard at least happens at europe shows..dont know,never be there first..

Who would determine where the line would begin? There are several entrances, etc! :fp:

JOEJOEJOE

vant0037 wrote:

This sounds like an absolute nightmare. Travel 7 hours to Chicago to spend what I'm sure will be a hot and awesome day (the "awesomeness" related to the beer I'll be drinking when I'm not sitting on a sidewalk) on a street corner, allowing some self-appointed superfan to control my spot in line?

I'll bar hop and keep my reserved tickets thank you. Who's in?

I am in!

Cosmo

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Not sure if this has been suggested, but perhaps the venue could distribute numbered wristbands at 4pm, and at 5pm, choose a starting number to determine the order of the line. In order to avoid separating people from their friends, they could give distribute the wristbands in sequential order. Anyone arriving after wristband distribution would get in line behind those with wristbands.

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The thing is... we shouldn't have to be 'policed' by any authority. We should be able to figure this out amongst ourselves. If we can't... that's our fault, on one else's.

JOEJOEJOE

Cosmo wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

How is the starting time for a list determined?

...
Depends on who starts the list.
...
I was at that Fonda gig and there was a list for people who didn't have tickets. It was a joke because there were never any tickets for sale, since this was a music industry show. someone started the list and there were already 50 name on it before it got to me... I was the 23rd person that was physically in line. People were writing a bunch of names, so it was bogus to begin with.
When it came around that there were going to be tickets available, the security guy tossed the list because the List Nazis were acting like List Nazis, so he just randomly picked people in the crowd. You got to pick one person to go in with you, so, we paired up... those of us who were there alone or with an odd number of friends.
The List Nazis downfall was trying to get everyone to form a single file line, according to the list. Everyone thought that was just too Kindergarden for adults. Almost all of us got in... and the ones that didn't, were let in after the main set.

difficult to believe that show was 7 years ago!

dimitrispearljam

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

How is the starting time for a list determined?

if i understand well,the 1st person arrives there..is what i heard at least happens at europe shows..dont know,never be there first..

Who would determine where the line would begin? There are several entrances, etc! :fp:

no one knows how 10c will do it at wrigley....and saw 25 shows pj at GA..always one entrance..
they have a very cool sign for the entrance as well..

JOEJOEJOE

Cosmo wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Not sure if this has been suggested, but perhaps the venue could distribute numbered wristbands at 4pm, and at 5pm, choose a starting number to determine the order of the line. In order to avoid separating people from their friends, they could give distribute the wristbands in sequential order. Anyone arriving after wristband distribution would get in line behind those with wristbands.

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The thing is... we shouldn't have to be 'policed' by any authority. We should be able to figure this out amongst ourselves. If we can't... that's our fault, on one else's.

I agree, but in reality, do you think hundreds of PJ fans all trying to secure a coveted area of earth will be on the same page when it comes to agreeing on policies?

dimitrispearljam

Cosmo wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Not sure if this has been suggested, but perhaps the venue could distribute numbered wristbands at 4pm, and at 5pm, choose a starting number to determine the order of the line. In order to avoid separating people from their friends, they could give distribute the wristbands in sequential order. Anyone arriving after wristband distribution would get in line behind those with wristbands.

...
The thing is... we shouldn't have to be 'policed' by any authority. We should be able to figure this out amongst ourselves. If we can't... that's our fault, on one else's.

yep..i dont like the list..but people is the problem here..not any kind of list..we souldnt even to think about the whole..but people fuck it up..and we end up talking about lists..

WhyNotSweden

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

How is the starting time for a list determined?

I have already started the list, I got it at home and so far only I'm on it.... :fp:

on2legs

Apprently the line up has already begun at Wrigley...

PJ_Soul

I'm not waiting in any line, and I haven't read this thread (which I'm sure is totally insane), and I'm sure someone has already said that anyone who isn't going to be in this line has no right to say anything, but since I believe in the freedom to say whatever I want, I just wanted to say that I think that anyone who hates the list is a big bossy baby who likes things to suck for people (including themselves). The list makes things easier and more pleasant for everyone involved. So why would anyone be against it??? I don't get it. No offense to the people who have been big bossy babies about a list in this thread. Nothing personal, really .... It just makes no logical sense to me to not like the idea of people being able to enjoy their day as much as possible, while still keeping a fair queue. Please tell me it's not a "Oh, but I've been here for 3 hours and only went to the bathroom once, and you've gone 3 times, waaaa!" Because that is sad. Since when was having someone hold your spot in line unfair? If the list master is doing his or her job right, people aren't going to be able to abuse it.

That said, I think it's nuts to spend all your time waiting in a line in the first place. It so isn't worth trying to get up front.

Kimmiebyrom

Being from the old school line system (every man for himself), and after reading this thread, I'm more convinced a list could work. A good system, list or not, only works if EVERYONE agrees on said system, abides by the rules, and isn't a dick.

It could be as simple as showing up, placing your name on the list, getting a number and/or wristband and going about enjoying the many pre-parties or hanging with friends, then queueing up again when it's time. Sounds like a wonderfully relaxing and fun way of getting all the GA peeps on their little piece of earth. In other words, maybe a little peace on earth = a nice piece of earth and everyone happy.

Or am I just too Utopian? :roll:

PJ_Soul

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Being from the old school line system (every man for himself), and after reading this thread, I'm more convinced a list could work. A good system, list or not, only works if EVERYONE agrees on said system, abides by the rules, and isn't a dick.

It could be as simple as showing up, placing your name on the list, getting a number and/or wristband and going about enjoying the many pre-parties or hanging with friends, then queueing up again when it's time. Sounds like a wonderfully relaxing and fun way of getting all the GA peeps on their little piece of earth. In other words, maybe a little peace on earth = a nice piece of earth and everyone happy.

Or am I just too Utopian? :roll:

I agree with you. Not sure what the hubbub is about. Everyone maybe just needs to chillax!

dimitrispearljam

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Being from the old school line system (every man for himself), and after reading this thread, I'm more convinced a list could work. A good system, list or not, only works if EVERYONE agrees on said system, abides by the rules, and isn't a dick.

It could be as simple as showing up, placing your name on the list, getting a number and/or wristband and going about enjoying the many pre-parties or hanging with friends, then queueing up again when it's time. Sounds like a wonderfully relaxing and fun way of getting all the GA peeps on their little piece of earth. In other words, maybe a little peace on earth = a nice piece of earth and everyone happy.

Or am I just too Utopian? :roll:

yep..with list working better,,sad but true....would be better if people was honest and respect eachother but aint gonna happen....the good part we have at Europe is we are almost the same fuckers at 10c gate and we know eachother very well..so isnt easy the cheating..

dimitrispearljam

vant0037 wrote:

This sounds like an absolute nightmare. Travel 7 hours to Chicago to spend what I'm sure will be a hot and awesome day (the "awesomeness" related to the beer I'll be drinking when I'm not sitting on a sidewalk) on a street corner, allowing some self-appointed superfan to control my spot in line?

I'll bar hop and keep my reserved tickets thank you. Who's in?

i agree..when there are so many bars and parties..

then the line...well..

PJ_Soul

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Being from the old school line system (every man for himself), and after reading this thread, I'm more convinced a list could work. A good system, list or not, only works if EVERYONE agrees on said system, abides by the rules, and isn't a dick.

It could be as simple as showing up, placing your name on the list, getting a number and/or wristband and going about enjoying the many pre-parties or hanging with friends, then queueing up again when it's time. Sounds like a wonderfully relaxing and fun way of getting all the GA peeps on their little piece of earth. In other words, maybe a little peace on earth = a nice piece of earth and everyone happy.

Or am I just too Utopian? :roll:

yep..with list working better,,sad but true....would be better if people was honest and respect eachother but aint gonna happen....the good part we have at Europe is we are almost the same fuckers at 10c gate and we know eachother very well..so isnt easy the cheating..

Yeah, but how many people are going to be huge dicks? 10? 20? It's not like there are droves of dicks around. Just a few. I figure the people there give the dicks they see a few shaming words, and then just let it go. Let them be dicks and karma will get them. I don't think those few people are a good reason to make the whole thing unpleasant and physically uncomfortable for everyone. As I say, everyone should just chillax and stick with the list. A few assholes getting closer to the front is a small price to pay for not having to stay in the hell of an all day line up in 100 degree weather.