Boston Marathon - explosion

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Nothing was done unconstitutional. Unless the police forced themselves into the homes. There have been no reports of that. Everything was done legally

unsung wrote:

Once again, you don't sacrifice liberty for security.

vant0037 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I hear what you are getting at, but I think the message is misplaced. If everyone was saying that stuff about some of the people in that post that depicted all the images of the guy with the bag, the lonely looking guy with the backpack, and the other two 'suspicious' looking guys... then your message would be more timely.

People weren't saying those barbaric comments for any of those people despite the suspicion naturally raised by the photographs. In my opinion, people actually did a really good job of waiting before throwing their rocks given what seemed a fairly legitimate expose of possible bombers.

Given the intital evidence that has been presented such as: eyewitness testimony from one of the higher profile victims; damning photographs; and his conduct just prior to being arrested... I'm convinced this idiot is guilty and so are you. We're all relieved and we're all angry. The sentiments expressed are all fair given the unfair behaviour exhibited by the ghouls.

The people, such as myself, that wish the worst for this asshole care very much for humanity. They aren't as simple as you 'kind of' suggest. You have a legal background and you have bought into many of the legal philosophies that others, such as myself, haven't. This fact doesn't make yours or my opinion better than the other- it just makes them different. If these assholes had not tried to kill hundreds of innocent people- an absolute betrayal to mankind- I would be hoping for the best for them. Given what they have done... the living brother can eat shit sandwiches and die. The dead one can rot.

My point wasn't about whether the conclusions people are reaching are helpful or healthy or correct. It's the fact that an accused, no matter how guilty he looks, is tried, condemned and convicted without so much as a charge, an arraignment, a lawyer, a trial and a jury.

Yes, he's very likely the guilty piece of shit we want him to be and think he is. His actions, along with the photographs and televised evidence certainly make it seem that way. That doesn't mean we should dispense with the normal processes for dealing with piece of shit murderers, and the concern - when reading the things people wish to do to an accused before he's even been charged is that sooner or later, those same sentiments are aroused in people with the power to deny those processes. Mob mentality is very scary indeed.

PJ_Soul wrote:

I was watching the news when he was captured, and when I saw everyone come out onto the streets and applaud the cops and everyone, I thought, 'well that's pretty cool." But when it morphed into college kids getting drunk and partying and hooting and hollering and laughing in the face of this terrible tragedy, in the faces of this guy's suffering and shocked FAMILY and friends, cheering the fact that he was covered in blood, I thought, " oh fuck, that is some macabre shit." And I had to turn off the TV. I don't like seeing good-minded people sink to that sick level en masse. It scares me and makes me worry about what that gang mentality could lead to under the right circumstances.

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I was watching the news when he was captured, and when I saw everyone come out onto the streets and applaud the cops and everyone, I thought, 'well that's pretty cool." But when it morphed into college kids getting drunk and partying and hooting and hollering and laughing in the face of this terrible tragedy, in the faces of this guy's suffering and shocked FAMILY and friends, cheering the fact that he was covered in blood, I thought, " oh fuck, that is some macabre shit." And I had to turn off the TV. I don't like seeing good-minded people sink to that sick level en masse. It scares me and makes me worry about what that gang mentality could lead to under the right circumstances.

I personally did not see any of that but I am sure it did happen. I don't know how representative it is of the population as a whole, though. College kids never need much of an excuse to turn something into a party, particularly on a Friday night.

PJ_Soul wrote:

I tend to agree with you vant. The blood lust I've seen here is disturbing to me. I feel very strongly that the good people of any nation should rise above the violence committed by their criminals, and the calls for violence and even torture against this un-tried 19 year old, even though he is surely guilty, has bothered me a lot. We should all strive to be better than that in our souls, not equal to it. "An eye for an eye" is one of my least favorite quotes from the bible.
I was watching the news when he was captured, and when I saw everyone come out onto the streets and applaud the cops and everyone, I thought, 'well that's pretty cool." But when it morphed into college kids getting drunk and partying and hooting and hollering and laughing in the face of this terrible tragedy, in the faces of this guy's suffering and shocked FAMILY and friends, cheering the fact that he was covered in blood, I thought, " oh fuck, that is some macabre shit." And I had to turn off the TV. I don't like seeing good-minded people sink to that sick level en masse. It scares me and makes me worry about what that gang mentality could lead to under the right circumstances.