Boston Marathon - explosion

JimmyV

We bet the under and we bet wrong.

https://twitter.com/lilsarg/status/585538824341688321

hedonist

Damn. Guessing my bet on gambo's son saying hello to the world is more on point.

Gotta wonder what (more) is being considered.

JimmyV

Never thought this would reach a second day. Very curious to learn what these two questions are.

https://twitter.com/GlobeCullen/status/585543148790796290

callen

Okay so if the bomber never had the older brother, do you think he would of still done something like this?

JimmyV

callen said:

Okay so if the bomber never had the older brother, do you think he would of still done something like this?

We can't say for sure but it doesn't matter. "My brother made me do it" is a pretty weak defense, especially when you consider how long he stood by himself behind the Richard family with that bomb. There are plenty of people in this world who have a problem child for an older sibling. Not many of them do what Dzhokar did.

He committed this crime, knowingly and willfully.

JimmyV

This is where he chose to stop. These are the people that he targeted. His brother is two blocks away. When it came time to set that bomb off, Dzhokar Tsarnaev was on his own.

hedonist

JimmyV said:

callen said:

Okay so if the bomber never had the older brother, do you think he would of still done something like this?

We can't say for sure but it doesn't matter. "My brother made me do it" is a pretty weak defense, especially when you consider how long he stood by himself behind the Richard family with that bomb. There are plenty of people in this world who have a problem child for an older sibling. Not many of them do what Dzhokar did.

He committed this crime, knowingly and willfully.

And after seeing that photo / screen-shot, with a smile on his face.

callen

JimmyV said:

callen said:

Okay so if the bomber never had the older brother, do you think he would of still done something like this?

We can't say for sure but it doesn't matter. "My brother made me do it" is a pretty weak defense, especially when you consider how long he stood by himself behind the Richard family with that bomb. There are plenty of people in this world who have a problem child for an older sibling. Not many of them do what Dzhokar did.

He committed this crime, knowingly and willfully.

No doubt.

Question posed in relation to what sentence and jury timing.

So life or death?

JimmyV

callen said:

JimmyV said:

callen said:

Okay so if the bomber never had the older brother, do you think he would of still done something like this?

We can't say for sure but it doesn't matter. "My brother made me do it" is a pretty weak defense, especially when you consider how long he stood by himself behind the Richard family with that bomb. There are plenty of people in this world who have a problem child for an older sibling. Not many of them do what Dzhokar did.

He committed this crime, knowingly and willfully.

No doubt.

Question posed in relation to what sentence and jury timing.

So life or death?

I don't know. I am pro-death penalty and he qualifies, both in heinousness of his crime and guilt beyond any doubt. But...I do fear he will become a martyr if executed. Maybe a tiny cell and no hope of parole is a better punishment for him. I don't know and I feel for those who have to make that decision.

badbrains

Again, true muslims will see this clown as no martyr. If there is a god, this fuckface will be punished no doubt. There's no martyr for killing innocent people. That's just crazy

JimmyV

badbrains said:

Again, true muslims will see this clown as no martyr. If there is a god, this fuckface will be punished no doubt. There's no martyr for killing innocent people. That's just crazy

I'm not worried about true Muslims. Despite all their bullshit rhetoric true Muslims are not what these too were. I worry about other misguided youths who are full of rage and looking for any excuse to let it out. To them Dzhokar could become a martyr. That's my concern.

callen

JimmyV said:

badbrains said:

Again, true muslims will see this clown as no martyr. If there is a god, this fuckface will be punished no doubt. There's no martyr for killing innocent people. That's just crazy

I'm not worried about true Muslims. Despite all their bullshit rhetoric true Muslims are not what these too were. I worry about other misguided youths who are full of rage and looking for any excuse to let it out. To them Dzhokar could become a martyr. That's my concern.

So I say don't kill him not because he will be portrayed as a martyr but because we should be better than what they do.

JimmyV

callen said:

JimmyV said:

badbrains said:

Again, true muslims will see this clown as no martyr. If there is a god, this fuckface will be punished no doubt. There's no martyr for killing innocent people. That's just crazy

I'm not worried about true Muslims. Despite all their bullshit rhetoric true Muslims are not what these too were. I worry about other misguided youths who are full of rage and looking for any excuse to let it out. To them Dzhokar could become a martyr. That's my concern.

So I say don't kill him not because he will be portrayed as a martyr but because we should be better than what they do.

We are "better than what they do." He has received a fair trial and will be allowed every legal appeal. He has had a defense provided to him. He has been fed, clothed, housed, and protected. If he receives the death penalty and that sentence is carried out, by the very nature of the process, we will "be better than what they do."

Last-12-Exit

Should this jury be taking this long?

JimmyV

Last-12-Exit said:

Should this jury be taking this long?

I didn't think so at first but they have to vote on 30+ separate charges. Read each one, consider each one, vote on each one. That's what is taking so long I think.

JimmyV

The jury questionnaire as released by the New York Times shows what is taking so long. Twelve people need to vote on each one of these charges and answer the subsequent questions.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1725889-jury-verdict-form-in-boston-bombing-trial.html?smid=tw-nytnational

Plus...they have listened to all this testimony and legally not been allowed to discuss it with anyone before now. I'm sure some probably have, but with the restrictions removed many might have a lot to say.

rgambs

And don't forget, each charge had to be carefully considered. Not doing so would open the door to unnecessary appeals.

callen

JimmyV said:

callen said:

JimmyV said:

badbrains said:

Again, true muslims will see this clown as no martyr. If there is a god, this fuckface will be punished no doubt. There's no martyr for killing innocent people. That's just crazy

I'm not worried about true Muslims. Despite all their bullshit rhetoric true Muslims are not what these too were. I worry about other misguided youths who are full of rage and looking for any excuse to let it out. To them Dzhokar could become a martyr. That's my concern.

So I say don't kill him not because he will be portrayed as a martyr but because we should be better than what they do.

We are "better than what they do." He has received a fair trial and will be allowed every legal appeal. He has had a defense provided to him. He has been fed, clothed, housed, and protected. If he receives the death penalty and that sentence is carried out, by the very nature of the process, we will "be better than what they do."

We are executing. Don't see this as being better, trail or not but understand our differences.

JimmyV

The jury has reached a verdict.

https://twitter.com/lilsarg/status/585856154867261441

JimmyV

https://twitter.com/GlobeCullen/status/585858211493912578

Last-12-Exit

I forgot that there were 30+ charges.

Dirtie_Frank

GUILTY!!!

JimmyV

The first ten charges all carry a potential death penalty sentence. Guilty on all ten.

JimmyV

hedonist

Not surprising but still wow-worthy.

Well-done, jury. Hope they get a deserved rest.

hedonist

Trying to process the comments of his mother.

JimmyV

hedonist said:

Trying to process the comments of his mother.

The mother is interesting. She was very vocal after the attacks but had gone quiet since. In a way I understand where she is coming from because what parent would want to believe their children could do something like this? And the death of the older brother's friend in Florida is suspicious to say the least.

What's interesting is that she has spoken up now when sentencing is about to happen. The defense is going to push hard that the home life of these two was crazy and damaging. Her rhetoric helps that case.

hedonist

JimmyV said:

hedonist said:

Trying to process the comments of his mother.

The mother is interesting. She was very vocal after the attacks but had gone quiet since. In a way I understand where she is coming from because what parent would want to believe their children could do something like this? And the death of the older brother's friend in Florida is suspicious to say the least.

What's interesting is that she has spoken up now when sentencing is about to happen. The defense is going to push hard that the home life of these two was crazy and damaging. Her rhetoric helps that case.

The last part of your post hadn't even occurred to me and makes sense.

Will say though, that over the years I've seen many parents of those who've committed awful crimes acknowledging their children's guilt but still standing by them, not backing down on their love for them. That I completely understand...but the denial?

It just may make a difference.

Jason P

JimmyV said:

hedonist said:

Trying to process the comments of his mother.

The mother is interesting. She was very vocal after the attacks but had gone quiet since. In a way I understand where she is coming from because what parent would want to believe their children could do something like this? And the death of the older brother's friend in Florida is suspicious to say the least.

What's interesting is that she has spoken up now when sentencing is about to happen. The defense is going to push hard that the home life of these two was crazy and damaging. Her rhetoric helps that case.

I think the defense has a much better option then to rally against home life to spare this guy's life. The better option would be to go after is that he was brainwashed ... but I don't think whats-his-name will allow that option because he seems to be down with the movement, as is the mother.

But what no one has really covered is that there are some major sociopathic tendencies in this guy. He set bombs off that put the city on lock-down and then just went back to campus, worked out and the gym, smoked some reefer, and did a little partying and seemed pretty chill. He even did a LOL when a friend sent a text saying he looked like the bomber. I don't care what your cause is, that is pretty fucked up.

Oh well. He's been convicted. LOL.

JimmyV

Sentencing phase to begin next Tuesday and is expected to last four weeks. Jurors instructed not to watch or attend the marathon which is coming on Monday.