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jeffmack22sd
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Curious to see if anyone else filled out the feedback survey on the new lottery system. As I know must of you probably feel the same way I do and wish they went back to the old system. At least then I felt like I had a better chance when I was actually hitting the keyboard instead of waiting in some virtual waiting room. Would love some feedback.
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The virtual waiting room was tickets.com. That had zero to do with the 10c and the lottery system. Personally, I like the new lottery system. I'd rather do that than waste hours on end sitting by my computer pressing F5.
did you win tickets?
I did get lucky and won the 2nd chance tickets. But even before that happened and I missed out on the first sale, I was a big fan of the lottery system. The whole notion of sitting at your computer reloading for hours and hours is just ridiculous and a complete waste of time. It's never going to be perfect, but I think the lottery is better than the old way.
let's hope
Fine if you want your membership fees to be in the thousands per year. That is what it will cost to build a system and infrastructure to handle these bandwidth spikes. Those ticketmaster fees don't just go to their slush funds or executive bonuses.
The infrastructure required for a few hours per year would be totally wasted the other 364 days per year - no-one needs that kind of redundancy in a band website. If you look at what ticketmaster/livenation spend on their online infrastructure, it is totally unrealistic for this site to go down that path.
So the answer is, subcontract ticket sales to ticketmaster or other some ticket sellers or come up if an in house system that is fair. 10 Club chose the later. If there were a cost effective and reliable third party way of handling these sales, some bright spark would have presented it to the 10C but now.
The illusion that there is any skill involved or effort deserving reward in hitting f5 over and over or using a bot is just that - an illusion. You're just as likely to get ticket on your first refresh as your 10 thousandth.
The stupid thing is, the more refreshes, the more the system bogs down and the worse it becomes for everyone. Even reputable ticket sellers often have their website fail in huge spikes created by popular ticket sales and other events. Remember CNN crashing on 9/11.
At least they have given us a way to put in a request, get on with our lives and do something else rather than pull our hair out at the computer.
Sure it sucks if you don't get a ticket in the lottery, but it always did suck for those who missed out. There are only so many tickets available and until the band talks venues into allowing them to sell unlimited 10C tickets, it will always suck for some people at certain venues.
And for the record. I missed out on MSG 2 tickets in the 10c sale but got Missoula tickets in the lottery.
Fair points for sure. We will see how it's handled when they come to more crowded markets. I am too tired to go down this road at the moment but I still have a problem with sectioning off markets by region but oh well.
I didn't know any special tricks to win tickets with the old system and I scored every single time, every single tour so obviously the odds of winning are not the same for those of us who showed up on time and didn't give up as it will be for a random lottery. It wasn't an illusion, it was a fact. If you stayed at the computer and refreshed, no matter how annoying it was, your odds increased. Not much different than waiting in line, sometimes over night to score tickets like I used to do in the old days. A little more effort yields better results. This was certainly true for me and all my friends. At the very least, it tipped the scales in our favor.
And trust me, I'm not bitter. My brother won GA to Wrigley and I won lower bowl but I'm not stupid enough to think we'll ever get that lucky again. We have a pair to bring friends with and it's going to be awesome. That doesn't change how I feel about the lotto system though. I'm not pissed at 10C or anything. I understand the pressures they're faced with with regards to trying to please the majority of people, it's just that I get frustrated when people say the lotto and the old system afford you the same odds because they don't. The old system did tip the scales towards "effort", however you define it. Not to mention that it's going to be totally fucked around here when you're allowed to "win" 10C seats to only one show per market.
Anyway, fuck. I guess I did find the energy to write some rambling excuse for a post. Hope some of that made sense. You do make excellent points about the infrastructure issues and I totally get it. Fucking Australians. Speaking of fucking and Australians, have you heard of Kiki Vidis? Wow...
Alright, I'm gonna go count steps walking backwards on the road and fall asleep. Peace.
Yeah, it's cool, you didn't come across as bitter... maybe twisted, but not bitter
Persistence was probably rewarded in some ways, however it was still luck as many people were just as persistent - I know I was. I had MSG2 tickets in my cart and then the crash wiped them out, I kept trying for hours (woke up in the middle of the night local time) as kept trying up until the sold out was posted. I tried all the web geek (that's my job) tricks to have multiple opportunities and still missed out, so my effort, which was probably more than many others was not rewarded. I still say success through skill was an illusion.
I scored tickets to LA3 in 2009 without any problems, but lucked out on MSG2 2010.
I think MSG is probably not a good show to base things on as these shows were insane on all sales. I failed on the 10c sale, then failed on the ticketmaster 10c presale, the regular ticketmaster presale and finally got them in the general sale.
Either way, I'm just glad I wont have to go through that cluster fuck again. And I know that even if I miss out on the 10c sale, there will be tickets somehow (even if I have to pay through the nose).
And, no, hadn't heard of Kiki before... just found her site.. she kinda looks like my wife :?
Thanks. I definitely think it will be much different when it is an actual tour. This Wrigley show is obviously a hot ticket. Definitely agree that it sucks to see how much money these tickets are going for. Prices should go down as the show gets closer. At least I hope they do.
Holy shit! She looks like your wife?!? You lucky bastard!
I mean, yeah PJ tickets and all that... good stuff
Yeah, if only there were some kind of massive, well-established, auto-scaling, elastic computing cloud that runs on a pay-what-you-use basis that could be leveraged. Ticketing would be as smooth as lazily drifting down a giant river in Brazil.
And MSG is the problem, thus that is what the solution should be engineered to. No one designs cars to only handle a 3 mile an hour collision. IMHO, The lotto went smoothly. We got ease of use in exchange for reduced chance of getting tickets, but if you remember back to Toronto 2011, MSG 2010, and PJ20 that is exactly what people on this board were demanding. It may not have been what a majority of 10c'ers want, since a majority don't post here, but the squeaky wheel gets this grease and in their anger and frustration with the system, there were lots of squeaky wheels.
LOVE IT!
Now lets make the 1st 20 rows ALL lottery seats..
Not just 1-2-9-10
Lets make the 1st 20 rows lottery!!!!!!!
And all will be good in the World!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Even if it wasn't ticket related.... maybe old timers get a t-shirt AND a walking cane...
it still does :fp:
you were either lucky enough or not to get into 10C's crashed site. same odds as the new system.
We make a distinction between a functioning system vs. a crashing one. The system only crashed for a handful of shows. For the first half dozen in 2010, it was easy.
Also, please remember that making the system easy means more people will try. Thus the odds are not the same.
Your "control" was an illusion.
I felt like Morpheus saying that, but it's true.
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
absolutely
F5
Some of you are making it sound like they need a Cray supercomputer to handle ticketing.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me...
1998 Mansfield
2000 Atlanta & Mansfield
2003 Mansfield (X2)
2004 Boston
2006 Chicago & Boston (x2)
2008 Mansfield (x2)
2009 Chicago
2010 Buffalo & Boston
2011 Toronto
2012 Amsterdam
2013 Wrigley, Worcerster (x2), Philly, & Hartford
2014 Memphis, Moline, Denver
2016 Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Hampton, Philly, Fenway (x2), Wrigley Monday
2018 Wrigley (x2), Fenway (x2)
2022 MSG. Nashville
Well this is the point, they don't apart from a few hours a year when there is a massive surge in page requests and pressure on the cart for certain shows. There are way to minimise this like staggering show sale times, but ultimately shows like MSG, Wrigley will always create a spike that not many systems will be able to handle.
Lets say 10k people want MSG tickets, will there is 10k requests in those first few seconds as the sale starts and then all the page refreshes. Not many sites can handle that.