New Lottery System

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Tuta23 wrote:

I just wish seniority meant something again.

it still does :fp:

rival.

i am still confused how people think that the F5 method was NOT a lottery.

you were either lucky enough or not to get into 10C's crashed site. same odds as the new system.

RE4790

rival. wrote:

i am still confused how people think that the F5 method was NOT a lottery.

you were either lucky enough or not to get into 10C's crashed site. same odds as the new system.

We make a distinction between a functioning system vs. a crashing one. The system only crashed for a handful of shows. For the first half dozen in 2010, it was easy.

Also, please remember that making the system easy means more people will try. Thus the odds are not the same.

vant0037

jeffmack22sd wrote:

I get that it was tickets.com but at least when your hitting f5 for however long at least you feel like you we're doing your best to get tickets, instead of just sitting there and waiting for two hours and then nothing. Maybe I feel slighted that I got shut out for tickets. Just seemed like the other way, I was successful in getting tickets. Hopefully the tickets for Chicago will go down and everyone who loves PJ will get to see and epic 3 hour 35+ song set. Just seems like this time less 10c members had a shot.

Your "control" was an illusion.

I felt like Morpheus saying that, but it's true.

shortstack

RE4790 wrote:

Also, please remember that making the system easy means more people will try. Thus the odds are not the same.

absolutely

jeffmack22sd

All excellent comments across the board. My main thing was I felt hopeless with a laptop, two iPads, two iPhones, and a work cell phone all going at once and nothing for an hour and a half. Maybe the F5 was luck and there was not control but maybe for me the effort meant something. I got shut out of MSG but a fellow member from the forum had an extra one. But other than that. LA 09 and San Diego, I had awesome seats. Now, knowing that all these outside sites have numerous amounts of tickets for Chicago and going rate for GA is anywhere between 1,600-5,000. Hopefully, I can have a fellow 10c member help me out. But everyone is right, there really isn't a perfect way to make everyone happy

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nukeboot

Anyone know how many active members there are in the Ten Club?

Some of you are making it sound like they need a Cray supercomputer to handle ticketing.

jeffmack22sd

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sorry, just a fan of the old way. Will see when it comes to more shows and watch I'll get everyone I want to go to and come back and praise the lottery system.

Isoworld13

Lost the first 3 PJ lotteries (all 3 tiers of Wrigley going GA/Lower Bowl/Upper as my priority order) due to not fully understanding the way it worked, which is partially my fault and partially the way it was explained. If I had been explicitly told that going for Lower Bowl GREATLY increased my chances of tickets, I would have picked that in an INSTANT due to my low member # (which would have all but guarenteed me phenomenal seats). I THOUGHT it was a lottery for all 3 at once. Meaning you had the CHANCE to win all 3, and THEN you were given your priority choice, and if you had multiple hits, your #1 priority would take precedence and any other hits you had would be thrown back into the pool. Instead it was a lottery for JUST 1st priority, then the rest, so if you picked Lower as your 2nd choice, you actually only had a chance at what was left after the 1st priority lottery. This makes choosing GA as a 2nd or 3rd choice NOT EVEN A LOTTERY, as those tickets never existed. I also participated in the Phish lottery for Saturday Night's show and ALSO lost (not as bad though because you don't pay a membership fee with Phish). In the end, I EASILY got tickets through tickets.com on the floor for PJ and even easilier got GA tickets through livenation for Phish the day they went on sale. Have to say that live nation was easier and faster though. I don't like lotteries. Announce a time and day and who gets them gets them. A FAN GETS them. If that means missing work or something else, then thats what it means. Sorry. PS... Tuesdays at 1PM EST works great for me

Paul Andrews

nukeboot wrote:

Anyone know how many active members there are in the Ten Club?

Some of you are making it sound like they need a Cray supercomputer to handle ticketing.

Well this is the point, they don't apart from a few hours a year when there is a massive surge in page requests and pressure on the cart for certain shows. There are way to minimise this like staggering show sale times, but ultimately shows like MSG, Wrigley will always create a spike that not many systems will be able to handle.

Lets say 10k people want MSG tickets, will there is 10k requests in those first few seconds as the sale starts and then all the page refreshes. Not many sites can handle that.

jeffmack22sd

Paul, working with computers, is there any special system or set up, server, to help you get tickets faster? I know they put those two words your supposed to type but couldn't people find a loop hole for something like that

Paul Andrews

jeffmack22sd wrote:

Paul, working with computers, is there any special system or set up, server, to help you get tickets faster? I know they put those two words your supposed to type but couldn't people find a loop hole for something like that

About the best you can do is have a good internet connection, a modern browser that is functioning properly and patience. Setting your clock to the world atomic clock probably helps so your time is most likely the same as the server time (if they use that as their clock).

Thing is, all these tricks people use, like running bots, auto refresh plugins, opening multiple windows in different browsers and machines just means that the load on the site increases; furthering the chance of the site crashing under the load.

If everyone just hit the site once and waited, you'd probably find the site would slow down but cope. Hitting F5 over and over just makes it worse for everyone.

MG79478

vant0037 wrote:

Your "control" was an illusion.

I felt like Morpheus saying that, but it's true.

Yes, and those of us who NEVER missed out on 10C tickets, that's all just a coincidence. Having one person go 100% over 20-30 shows would be a statisical anomoly, having many is impossible. It may make you feel better to think that we didn't control our own destiny, but in fact we did.

RE4790 wrote:

rival. wrote:

i am still confused how people think that the F5 method was NOT a lottery.

you were either lucky enough or not to get into 10C's crashed site. same odds as the new system.

We make a distinction between a functioning system vs. a crashing one. The system only crashed for a handful of shows. For the first half dozen in 2010, it was easy.

Also, please remember that making the system easy means more people will try. Thus the odds are not the same.

F5 was a lottery for those who didn't want to put a lot of effort and time in to it. For those fans who refused to not get tickets and would put in the time and effort required... you were pretty much garaunteed tickets. Everyone had equal opportunity to put in time and effort in to the F5 system. It was honestly a best of both worlds, as close to perfect system as could get. People also love to use PJ20 as an example, that was the only bad ticket experience I ever had. I scored most 10C tickets instantly, or within a few minutes... nearly all within an hour.

I do agree that the odds are worse for all now, because of the ease of entry in to the lottery. I just hope that 10C hears the masses and positive change back to F5 can occur.

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october22

MG79478 wrote:

Those of us who NEVER missed out on 10C tickets, that's all just a coincidence. Having one person go 100% over 20-30 shows would be a statisical anomoly, having many is impossible. It may make you feel better to think that we didn't control our own destiny, but in fact we did.

RE4790 wrote:

rival. wrote:

i am still confused how people think that the F5 method was NOT a lottery.

you were either lucky enough or not to get into 10C's crashed site. same odds as the new system.

We make a distinction between a functioning system vs. a crashing one. The system only crashed for a handful of shows. For the first half dozen in 2010, it was easy.

Also, please remember that making the system easy means more people will try. Thus the odds are not the same.

F5 was a lottery for those who didn't want to put a lot of effort and time in to it. For those fans who refused to not get tickets and would put in the time and effort required... you were pretty much garaunteed tickets. Everyone had equal opportunity to put in time and effort in to the F5 system. It was honestly a best of both worlds, as close to perfect system as could get. People also love to use PJ20 as an example, that was the only bad ticket experience I ever had. I scored most 10C tickets instantly, or within a few minutes... nearly all within an hour.

I do agree that the odds are worse for all now, because of the ease of entry in to the lottery. I just hope that 10C hears the masses and positive change back to F5 can occur.

Thank you. That was well said and I feel like I've been writing a variation of it since the lotto started but it's almost impossible to get through to anyone on here. How can people say they are both equal lotteries when I was able to f5 my way to over 20 shows? Never missed once. This also includes all my friends. We simply prepared ourselves for the worst and hung in there. Most times is was only about 15 minutes or so, sometimes a little longer but whatever. I remember coming no here the instant I scored and seeing several threads of people already complaining that they lost when the sale wasn't even over yet!!!

Also, everyone's odds of winning have gone down because more people are throwing their hat in. I know this to be true not only because it's obvious that if you make something easier, more people will enter, but also because it's caused me to alter my behavior as well. I'm only going to Chicago because of the lotto system. With the old system, my brother and I knew we could pretty much get 10C tickets to any show we wanted so we would have waited for the fall tour. However, knowing that our odds will be complete shit when they play the New York area we decided to enter for Chicago. If we won, we won. If not, whatever. Turns out, we won GA and Lower Bowl so now there are FOUR dickheads from New York going to a Chicago show that they never would have even tried for if not for the lottery decreasing one's odds and sense of security that you'll score when they come to your hometown. We got super lucky but that doesn't change how I feel about it because I disagree with it on principal and I won't change my mind because of my personal good fortune (which will almost certainly run out when they play my city). And I guarantee the number of entrants in the lotto vs. people who sat in front of their computers during the f5 system will skyrocket when they come to NYC and Boston.

Anyway, I realize we're talking about tickets to a rock concert and it's obviously not the most important thing in the world but I feel compelled to respond to this stuff sometimes.

rival.

october22 wrote:

Thank you. That was well said and I feel like I've been writing a variation of it since the lotto started but it's almost impossible to get through to anyone on here. How can people say they are both equal lotteries when I was able to f5 my way to over 20 shows? Never missed once. This also includes all my friends. We simply prepared ourselves for the worst and hung in there. Most times is was only about 15 minutes or so, sometimes a little longer but whatever. I remember coming no here the instant I scored and seeing several threads of people already complaining that they lost when the sale wasn't even over yet!!!

i don't know, i guess i am just the unlucky 1% that has been shut out on a constant basis since the F5 system became THE system. lost out on the two NJ shows in 2006, two MSG shows in 2008, two MSG shows in 2010. and this is after preparing for the worst (taking off from work), and hanging in there (F5'ing for 6/7 hours ).

i never once complained about that system, i just chalked it up to being unlucky and i was still able to go to all of those shows as i was able to score during the public sale.

there is no way the 10C can go back to that system without upgrading their site and servers though.

this picture was my enemy:

pjsteelerfan

rival. wrote:

i don't know, i guess i am just the unlucky 1% that has been shut out on a constant basis since the F5 system became THE system. lost out on the two NJ shows in 2006, two MSG shows in 2008, two MSG shows in 2010. and this is after preparing for the worst (taking off from work), and hanging in there (F5'ing for 6/7 hours ).

One of the reasons for the lottery could be right there, people traveling to shows and everyone just wants the 2 most in demand shows of the tour. It seems outside of the NYC/Boston/Philly corridor, Seattle, and maybe LA, tickets were not that hard to come by before. Not counting PJ20. They could probably sell every other show on the site and just hold lotteries for those cities.

DURP

So this is still a issue.

Move on and get over it.

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MG79478

october22 wrote:

Thank you. That was well said and I feel like I've been writing a variation of it since the lotto started but it's almost impossible to get through to anyone on here. How can people say they are both equal lotteries when I was able to f5 my way to over 20 shows? Never missed once. This also includes all my friends. We simply prepared ourselves for the worst and hung in there. Most times is was only about 15 minutes or so, sometimes a little longer but whatever. I remember coming no here the instant I scored and seeing several threads of people already complaining that they lost when the sale wasn't even over yet!!!

Also, everyone's odds of winning have gone down because more people are throwing their hat in. I know this to be true not only because it's obvious that if you make something easier, more people will enter, but also because it's caused me to alter my behavior as well. I'm only going to Chicago because of the lotto system. With the old system, my brother and I knew we could pretty much get 10C tickets to any show we wanted so we would have waited for the fall tour. However, knowing that our odds will be complete shit when they play the New York area we decided to enter for Chicago. If we won, we won. If not, whatever. Turns out, we won GA and Lower Bowl so now there are FOUR dickheads from New York going to a Chicago show that they never would have even tried for if not for the lottery decreasing one's odds and sense of security that you'll score when they come to your hometown. We got super lucky but that doesn't change how I feel about it because I disagree with it on principal and I won't change my mind because of my personal good fortune (which will almost certainly run out when they play my city). And I guarantee the number of entrants in the lotto vs. people who sat in front of their computers during the f5 system will skyrocket when they come to NYC and Boston.

Anyway, I realize we're talking about tickets to a rock concert and it's obviously not the most important thing in the world but I feel compelled to respond to this stuff sometimes.

You’re preaching to the choir here! Unfortunately I find that most don't want to hold intelligent and thoughtful debate, their goal is to hurl personal attacks at you and drag you down to their level, and then report you to the mods. It's childish and sad.

We have very similar experiences; I simply refused to give up on tickets. I put in the necessary time and effort to achieve my goal. That included pre-work to understand the system, enlisting friends and family to help, moving around meetings at work, etc. I have a life, family, and extremely demanding career, yet I could still make it work 100% of the time. (Many STILL use family/life/job as an excuse for not liking F5, I simply refused to make excuses, and always found a way.) Unfortunately some on here see these actions as "cheating", but it's no more cheating than the athlete who spends more time in the gym than anyone else. In the future, I’ll try for shows that I wouldn’t have in the past, and plan a trip if I win. It’s just the nature of the system.

DURP wrote:

So this is still a issue.

Move on and get over it.

So it was OK for people who hated F5 to complain until we got a lottery... and now despite the massive backlash against the lottery, and the unforeseen consequences, the debate is over simply because you got your way?

It is still an issue, and will be until positive change can occur, so move on and get over it.