New Lottery System

JimmyV

I missed out on tickets to the Hartford show in 2010. I was in front of my computer at 6pm when they went on sale, F5'd like madman for ninety minutes, kept F5ing through a period of Temporarily Out Of Stock...and then after about two hours all tickets were gone. No one who scored tickets that day worked harder than I did. That argument is complete bunk. I was unlucky that day, nothing more.

Unless, of course, someone found a "shortcut" or a way to "cheat the system". Then that is a different story. Cheating should never be rewarded. That the lottery has eliminated such cheating makes it all the more worthwhile.

And before any phony offense is taken, I am not saying everyone who got tickets through the F5 method was cheating. But some of us were.

DURP

MG79478 wrote:

DURP wrote:

So this is still a issue.

Move on and get over it.

So it was OK for people who hated F5 to complain until we got a lottery... and now despite the massive backlash against the lottery, and the unforeseen consequences, the debate is over simply because you got your way?

It is still an issue, and will be until positive change can occur, so move on and get over it.

Lotto or F5 I don't care. Hey guess what at the end of the day it's just a rock bands fan club. Nothing more nothing less. It has zero impact on my daily life. I'm not laying in bed at night sweating through the sheets worrying if I will be able to obtain 10c tixs ever again.

And what unforeseen consequences? One show sold out and somehow this is ten club and Pearl Jams fault. Nobody here is owed anything. You want to point a finger throw one at wrigleyville. Really each eligable member could buy six tickets. No wonder this thing sold out quick. Then you have season ticker holders. Then your corporate areas. Everyone heard Wrigley and just assumed that everyone would get a ticket. Well we all know what happens when you assume.

I don't know about saying the debate is over. If you mean not getting 10c tickets or gen public tixs then yes I got my way. Did the lotto suck for me? Yup this time it did.

rearviewross

jeffmack22sd wrote:

Curious to see if anyone else filled out the feedback survey on the new lottery system. As I know must of you probably feel the same way I do and wish they went back to the old system. At least then I felt like I had a better chance when I was actually hitting the keyboard instead of waiting in some virtual waiting room. Would love some feedback.

Jeff

The new system is way easier for the 10 club. No server crashes, and it is convenient for all members and gives everyone equal shot at tickets. Its not going anywhere and I don't see any changes coming, at least until it has gone through one tour. People need to accept it.

jeffmack22sd

I really hopes it goes away. The earlier comment said it all, the new system makes it way easier for people to participate. The more people involved, the less chance to score great seats. I would say some of the people who entered the lottery, wouldn't sit in front of the computer pressing a button for several hours. Like I said when I initially posted the comment, I was just curious what other members thought that's all. Also to gripe that I didn't get Chicago tickets, by the way anyone who reads this and might have an extra or an in PM me.

Jeff

MG79478

rearviewross wrote:

The new system is way easier for the 10 club.

How so, it's not like the 10C needs to do anything else before/during/after an F5 sale? They simply have to deal with the complaints, of which there are surely more with the lottery. Depending on whether the lottery is completely automated or not, they might actually have significantly more work required to choose and notify winners, and run second chance lotteries.

rearviewross wrote:

No server crashes, and it is convenient for all members and gives everyone equal shot at tickets.

Server crashers were RARE, and not even worth discussing. The lottery is more convenient for the members who win; it’s much less convenient for those shut out. Everyone had an equal shot to put in time and effort in the F5 system. Odds are worse now in the lottery, due to how easy it is to enter, so while everyone may have equal odds of winning, those odds are significantly reduced from F5.

rearviewross wrote:

Its not going anywhere and I don't see any changes coming, at least until it has gone through one tour. People need to accept it.

This is simply conjecture on your part. This could have been a short time trial, and we are going to something much better soon. The lottery has been an utter failure, and many want to see it go away. People need to accept it.

MG79478

DURP wrote:

Lotto or F5 I don't care.

You at least cared enough to make a post on the topic.

DURP wrote:

And what unforeseen consequences?

Let me preface this by saying "unforseen by most", some of us saw this coming. But most didn't expect to have their odds actually decrease due to the ease of entry. Most didn't expect scalpers to get their hands on more 10C tickets and drive up prices on the secondary market. Most didn't expect to have problems with the lottery rules. To name a few.

DURP wrote:

Nobody here is owed anything.

I'm pretty sure that all paying members of the 10C are owed stuff, even if that is just a crappy T-shirt or a sheet of stickers.

DURP wrote:

I don't know about saying the debate is over.

Well then you probably shouldn't have said it:

DURP wrote:

So this is still a issue.

Move on and get over it.

Indifference71

MG79478 wrote:

The lottery has been an utter failure, and many want to see it go away. People need to accept it.

How was the lottery a failure? It seemed to be a pretty smooth operation to me.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

The new lottery system ROCKS!!!!

RE4790

Indifference71 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

The lottery has been an utter failure, and many want to see it go away. People need to accept it.

How was the lottery a failure? It seemed to be a pretty smooth operation to me.

This.

I dislike the lotto and support a return to the old system for the reasons that have been outlined here and in countless other threads, but the lotto was executed very well. (We will see just how well when countless pairs of Wrigley tickets pop-up on Craigslist on the day of the show.)


I wouldn't get too comfortable with it though. If there are a series on NE tour dates this fall, the pro-lotto will see the consequences of their advocacy and the nerd-rage will go to 11. Ironically, pearljam.com now sits on AWS which allows for dynamic scaling and load balancing of processing resources should the 10C choose to switch back to the method that worked for nearly a decade before the "my opinion of fairness" crowd took over.

october22

RE4790 wrote:

I dislike the lotto and support a return to the old system for the reasons that have been outlined here and in countless other threads, but the lotto was executed very well. (We will see just how well when countless pairs of Wrigley tickets pop-up on Craigslist on the day of the show.)


I wouldn't get too comfortable with it though. If there are a series on NE tour dates this fall, the pro-lotto will see the consequences of their advocacy and the nerd-rage will go to 11. Ironically, pearljam.com now sits on AWS which allows for dynamic scaling and load balancing of processing resources should the 10C choose to switch back to the method that worked for nearly a decade before the "my opinion of fairness" crowd took over.

Very true. You and MG79478 are right on. I'm very curious how they are going to section off a north east tour and allow you to "win" only one pair per show block. That's why my brother and I took four 10C tickets from the hands of local Chicago fans. Because I know the north east will be even more flooded now and my odds here will be even worse. So now to get the full benefit of the club in the way I used to enjoy it, I have to say, "fuck it, I'll try for almost every show until I get lucky and then I'll make a road trip out of it." With the old system, I'd get 10C tix from NYC right up through New England for all the shows I wanted. Some of my best memories. Of course no one is stopping those trips from happening again but in those days my friends and I ALL had 10C tickets.

We all prepared and stayed in communication for the purchasing process and helped each other if we could and we got "lucky" every time. Except it wasn't luck. We were the beneficiaries of planning and persistence. I don't know when that became such a horrible concept. People who claim that the odds of winning the lotto vs F5 are the same are completely wrong. It's bullshit to claim we had the "illusion of control" when that "illusion" awarded us tickets every time.

All that being said, judging from the nature of this board and this club, I really don't see them doing away with the lottery. They may make some kind of adjustments but sadly I think it's here to stay.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Fuck F5

JimmyV

Not liking the lottery is one thing. Can it be improved? Is it the best method for selling tickets? These are legitimate questions. But hitting f5 for hours on end was nowhere in the design of the old system. We were forced to do that because the system was broken. Lottery critics lose some support when they advocate for a return to a broken ticketing system.

81

Fuck your lotto....i'm not entering it

81

JimmyV wrote:

Not liking the lottery is one thing. Can it be improved? Is it the best method for selling tickets? These are legitimate questions. But hitting f5 for hours on end was nowhere in the design of the old system. We were forced to do that because the system was broken. Lottery critics lose some support when they advocate for a return to a broken ticketing system.

The F5 was a result of using a system running on a 386 processor.

get a real system to handle the sale and f5 goes away.

JimmyV

81 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Not liking the lottery is one thing. Can it be improved? Is it the best method for selling tickets? These are legitimate questions. But hitting f5 for hours on end was nowhere in the design of the old system. We were forced to do that because the system was broken. Lottery critics lose some support when they advocate for a return to a broken ticketing system.

The F5 was a result of using a system running on a 386 processor.

get a real system to handle the sale and f5 goes away.

And suggesting that makes perfect sense. Suggesting that the old system was perfect and that we should be sitting in front of our computers for hours on end does not.

81

JimmyV wrote:

81 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Not liking the lottery is one thing. Can it be improved? Is it the best method for selling tickets? These are legitimate questions. But hitting f5 for hours on end was nowhere in the design of the old system. We were forced to do that because the system was broken. Lottery critics lose some support when they advocate for a return to a broken ticketing system.

The F5 was a result of using a system running on a 386 processor.

get a real system to handle the sale and f5 goes away.

And suggesting that makes perfect sense. Suggesting that the old system was perfect and that we should be sitting in front of our computers for hours on end does not.

nobody likes hitting f5 endlessly...i view it more as a term to represent a normal sale process....log in, click buy, check out. use the TM process like they did for a few of the shows in 2011. that seemed to work pretty good.

Indifference71

81 wrote:

nobody likes hitting f5 endlessly...i view it more as a term to represent a normal sale process....log in, click buy, check out. use the TM process like they did for a few of the shows in 2011. that seemed to work pretty good.

I get what you're saying, but hitting F5 for hours is nothing close to normal. Until they can fix the old system, I think the lottery is the best way to go.

october22

JimmyV wrote:

81 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Not liking the lottery is one thing. Can it be improved? Is it the best method for selling tickets? These are legitimate questions. But hitting f5 for hours on end was nowhere in the design of the old system. We were forced to do that because the system was broken. Lottery critics lose some support when they advocate for a return to a broken ticketing system.

The F5 was a result of using a system running on a 386 processor.

get a real system to handle the sale and f5 goes away.

And suggesting that makes perfect sense. Suggesting that the old system was perfect and that we should be sitting in front of our computers for hours on end does not.

Who's suggesting that?

JimmyV

81 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

And suggesting that makes perfect sense. Suggesting that the old system was perfect and that we should be sitting in front of our computers for hours on end does not.

nobody likes hitting f5 endlessly...i view it more as a term to represent a normal sale process....log in, click buy, check out. use the TM process like they did for a few of the shows in 2011. that seemed to work pretty good.

Based on some defenses of the previous system I have read there are at least a few who do think we should be required to hit f5 endlessly. I question whether some of those people actually were hitting f5 for hours or if they were exploiting some loophole to cheat the system, but only they know that for sure.

Agreed, the TM process we used for...was it Canada 2011?...worked like a charm. I had no hassles or issues getting my tickets. I would not be opposed to seeing that explored as an option in the future.

I used to love wearing my f5 t-shirt to shows but know if I do it now I am going to be in one debate after another about this. The preparty, the beer line, the bathroom...it' will never end!

pjsteelerfan

With the old system I expected to get tickets to most shows I tried for, and was disappointed if I didn't.

With the new system, I expect to get shut out of tickets to all shows I try for and will be shocked if I win.

It is what it is now.