New Lottery System

jeffmack22sd

Curious to see if anyone else filled out the feedback survey on the new lottery system. As I know must of you probably feel the same way I do and wish they went back to the old system. At least then I felt like I had a better chance when I was actually hitting the keyboard instead of waiting in some virtual waiting room. Would love some feedback.

Jeff

Indifference71

jeffmack22sd wrote:

Curious to see if anyone else filled out the feedback survey on the new lottery system. As I know must of you probably feel the same way I do and wish they went back to the old system. At least then I felt like I had a better chance when I was actually hitting the keyboard instead of waiting in some virtual waiting room. Would love some feedback.

Jeff

The virtual waiting room was tickets.com. That had zero to do with the 10c and the lottery system. Personally, I like the new lottery system. I'd rather do that than waste hours on end sitting by my computer pressing F5.

jeffmack22sd

I get that it was tickets.com but at least when your hitting f5 for however long at least you feel like you we're doing your best to get tickets, instead of just sitting there and waiting for two hours and then nothing. Maybe I feel slighted that I got shut out for tickets. Just seemed like the other way, I was successful in getting tickets. Hopefully the tickets for Chicago will go down and everyone who loves PJ will get to see and epic 3 hour 35+ song set. Just seems like this time less 10c members had a shot.

shortstack

Indifference71 wrote:

The virtual waiting room was tickets.com. That had zero to do with the 10c and the lottery system. Personally, I like the new lottery system. I'd rather do that than waste hours on end sitting by my computer pressing F5.

did you win tickets?

jeffmack22sd

Shut out both times. Flight and hotel already booked though. Wife and I celebrating second wedding anniversary there. Hoping I won't have to pay an arm and a leg to get in.

jeffmack22sd

Maybe just bummed I didn't get selected. Did you win?

Indifference71

shortstack wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

The virtual waiting room was tickets.com. That had zero to do with the 10c and the lottery system. Personally, I like the new lottery system. I'd rather do that than waste hours on end sitting by my computer pressing F5.

did you win tickets?

I did get lucky and won the 2nd chance tickets. But even before that happened and I missed out on the first sale, I was a big fan of the lottery system. The whole notion of sitting at your computer reloading for hours and hours is just ridiculous and a complete waste of time. It's never going to be perfect, but I think the lottery is better than the old way.

jeffmack22sd

Nice man and congrats to you. Totally here where your coming from. Maybe it's just me. Just wonder how its going to be when there is a whole tour and several shows are up for a lottery. Chances are much better than. Just sucks seeing what the actual tickets are going for on several websites, even on Craigslist people are selling tickets 300-400% over face value. Just wonder if they are real true fans or not. I know if I had extra tickets, I would totally hook up a fellow 10c member.

shortstack

jeffmack22sd wrote:

Just wonder how its going to be when there is a whole tour and several shows are up for a lottery. Chances are much better than.

let's hope

october22

Why do people think it's either lottery or sitting at the computer for hours hitting f5? How about building a site that can handle traffic? Problem solved, no need for a lottery. What's so hard about that?

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wait, there was a feedback form :x

Paul Andrews

october22 wrote:

Why do people think it's either lottery or sitting at the computer for hours hitting f5? How about building a site that can handle traffic? Problem solved, no need for a lottery. What's so hard about that?

Fine if you want your membership fees to be in the thousands per year. That is what it will cost to build a system and infrastructure to handle these bandwidth spikes. Those ticketmaster fees don't just go to their slush funds or executive bonuses.

The infrastructure required for a few hours per year would be totally wasted the other 364 days per year - no-one needs that kind of redundancy in a band website. If you look at what ticketmaster/livenation spend on their online infrastructure, it is totally unrealistic for this site to go down that path.

So the answer is, subcontract ticket sales to ticketmaster or other some ticket sellers or come up if an in house system that is fair. 10 Club chose the later. If there were a cost effective and reliable third party way of handling these sales, some bright spark would have presented it to the 10C but now.

The illusion that there is any skill involved or effort deserving reward in hitting f5 over and over or using a bot is just that - an illusion. You're just as likely to get ticket on your first refresh as your 10 thousandth.

The stupid thing is, the more refreshes, the more the system bogs down and the worse it becomes for everyone. Even reputable ticket sellers often have their website fail in huge spikes created by popular ticket sales and other events. Remember CNN crashing on 9/11.

At least they have given us a way to put in a request, get on with our lives and do something else rather than pull our hair out at the computer.

Sure it sucks if you don't get a ticket in the lottery, but it always did suck for those who missed out. There are only so many tickets available and until the band talks venues into allowing them to sell unlimited 10C tickets, it will always suck for some people at certain venues.

And for the record. I missed out on MSG 2 tickets in the 10c sale but got Missoula tickets in the lottery.

october22

Paul Andrews wrote:

october22 wrote:

Why do people think it's either lottery or sitting at the computer for hours hitting f5? How about building a site that can handle traffic? Problem solved, no need for a lottery. What's so hard about that?

Fine if you want your membership fees to be in the thousands per year. That is what it will cost to build a system and infrastructure to handle these bandwidth spikes. Those ticketmaster fees don't just go to their slush funds or executive bonuses.

The infrastructure required for a few hours per year would be totally wasted the other 364 days per year - no-one needs that kind of redundancy in a band website. If you look at what ticketmaster/livenation spend on their online infrastructure, it is totally unrealistic for this site to go down that path.

So the answer is, subcontract ticket sales to ticketmaster or other some ticket sellers or come up if an in house system that is fair. 10 Club chose the later. If there were a cost effective and reliable third party way of handling these sales, some bright spark would have presented it to the 10C but now.

The illusion that there is any skill involved or effort deserving reward in hitting f5 over and over or using a bot is just that - an illusion. You're just as likely to get ticket on your first refresh as your 10 thousandth.

The stupid thing is, the more refreshes, the more the system bogs down and the worse it becomes for everyone. Even reputable ticket sellers often have their website fail in huge spikes created by popular ticket sales and other events. Remember CNN crashing on 9/11.

At least they have given us a way to put in a request, get on with our lives and do something else rather than pull our hair out at the computer.

Sure it sucks if you don't get a ticket in the lottery, but it always did suck for those who missed out. There are only so many tickets available and until the band talks venues into allowing them to sell unlimited 10C tickets, it will always suck for some people at certain venues.

And for the record. I missed out on MSG 2 tickets in the 10c sale but got Missoula tickets in the lottery.

Fair points for sure. We will see how it's handled when they come to more crowded markets. I am too tired to go down this road at the moment but I still have a problem with sectioning off markets by region but oh well.

I didn't know any special tricks to win tickets with the old system and I scored every single time, every single tour so obviously the odds of winning are not the same for those of us who showed up on time and didn't give up as it will be for a random lottery. It wasn't an illusion, it was a fact. If you stayed at the computer and refreshed, no matter how annoying it was, your odds increased. Not much different than waiting in line, sometimes over night to score tickets like I used to do in the old days. A little more effort yields better results. This was certainly true for me and all my friends. At the very least, it tipped the scales in our favor.

And trust me, I'm not bitter. My brother won GA to Wrigley and I won lower bowl but I'm not stupid enough to think we'll ever get that lucky again. We have a pair to bring friends with and it's going to be awesome. That doesn't change how I feel about the lotto system though. I'm not pissed at 10C or anything. I understand the pressures they're faced with with regards to trying to please the majority of people, it's just that I get frustrated when people say the lotto and the old system afford you the same odds because they don't. The old system did tip the scales towards "effort", however you define it. Not to mention that it's going to be totally fucked around here when you're allowed to "win" 10C seats to only one show per market.

Anyway, fuck. I guess I did find the energy to write some rambling excuse for a post. Hope some of that made sense. You do make excellent points about the infrastructure issues and I totally get it. Fucking Australians. Speaking of fucking and Australians, have you heard of Kiki Vidis? Wow...

Alright, I'm gonna go count steps walking backwards on the road and fall asleep. Peace.

Paul Andrews

october22 wrote:

I didn't know any special tricks to win tickets with the old system and I scored every singe time, every single tour so obviously the odds of winning are not the same for those of us who showed up on time and didn't give up as it will be for a random lottery. It wasn't an illusion, it was a fact. If you stayed at the computer and refreshed, no matter how annoying it was, your odds increased. Not much different than waiting in line, sometimes over night to score tickets like I used to do in the old days. A little more effort yields better results. This was certainly true for me and all my friends. At the very least, it tipped the scales in our favor.

And trust me, I'm not bitter. My brother won GA to Wrigley and I won lower bowl but I'm not stupid enough to think we'll ever get that lucky again. We have a pair to bring friends with and it's going to be awesome. That doesn't change how I feel about the lotto system though. I'm not pissed at 10C or anything. I understand the pressures they're faced with with regards to trying to please the majority of people, it's just that I get frustrated when people say the lotto and the old system afford you the same odds because they don't. The old system did tip the scales towards "effort", however you define it. Not to mention that it's going to be totally fucked around here when you're allowed to "win" 10C seats to only one show per market.

Anyway, fuck. I guess I did find the energy to write some rambling excuse for a post. Hope some of that made sense. You do make excellent points about the infrastructure issues and I totally get it. Fucking Australians. Speaking of fucking and Australians, have you heard of Kiki Vidis? Wow...

Alright, I'm gonna go count steps walking backwards on the road and fall asleep. Peace.

Yeah, it's cool, you didn't come across as bitter... maybe twisted, but not bitter

Persistence was probably rewarded in some ways, however it was still luck as many people were just as persistent - I know I was. I had MSG2 tickets in my cart and then the crash wiped them out, I kept trying for hours (woke up in the middle of the night local time) as kept trying up until the sold out was posted. I tried all the web geek (that's my job) tricks to have multiple opportunities and still missed out, so my effort, which was probably more than many others was not rewarded. I still say success through skill was an illusion.

I scored tickets to LA3 in 2009 without any problems, but lucked out on MSG2 2010.

I think MSG is probably not a good show to base things on as these shows were insane on all sales. I failed on the 10c sale, then failed on the ticketmaster 10c presale, the regular ticketmaster presale and finally got them in the general sale.

Either way, I'm just glad I wont have to go through that cluster fuck again. And I know that even if I miss out on the 10c sale, there will be tickets somehow (even if I have to pay through the nose).

And, no, hadn't heard of Kiki before... just found her site.. she kinda looks like my wife :?

Indifference71

jeffmack22sd wrote:

Nice man and congrats to you. Totally here where your coming from. Maybe it's just me. Just wonder how its going to be when there is a whole tour and several shows are up for a lottery. Chances are much better than. Just sucks seeing what the actual tickets are going for on several websites, even on Craigslist people are selling tickets 300-400% over face value. Just wonder if they are real true fans or not. I know if I had extra tickets, I would totally hook up a fellow 10c member.

Thanks. I definitely think it will be much different when it is an actual tour. This Wrigley show is obviously a hot ticket. Definitely agree that it sucks to see how much money these tickets are going for. Prices should go down as the show gets closer. At least I hope they do.

october22

Paul Andrews wrote:

october22 wrote:

I didn't know any special tricks to win tickets with the old system and I scored every singe time, every single tour so obviously the odds of winning are not the same for those of us who showed up on time and didn't give up as it will be for a random lottery. It wasn't an illusion, it was a fact. If you stayed at the computer and refreshed, no matter how annoying it was, your odds increased. Not much different than waiting in line, sometimes over night to score tickets like I used to do in the old days. A little more effort yields better results. This was certainly true for me and all my friends. At the very least, it tipped the scales in our favor.

And trust me, I'm not bitter. My brother won GA to Wrigley and I won lower bowl but I'm not stupid enough to think we'll ever get that lucky again. We have a pair to bring friends with and it's going to be awesome. That doesn't change how I feel about the lotto system though. I'm not pissed at 10C or anything. I understand the pressures they're faced with with regards to trying to please the majority of people, it's just that I get frustrated when people say the lotto and the old system afford you the same odds because they don't. The old system did tip the scales towards "effort", however you define it. Not to mention that it's going to be totally fucked around here when you're allowed to "win" 10C seats to only one show per market.

Anyway, fuck. I guess I did find the energy to write some rambling excuse for a post. Hope some of that made sense. You do make excellent points about the infrastructure issues and I totally get it. Fucking Australians. Speaking of fucking and Australians, have you heard of Kiki Vidis? Wow...

Alright, I'm gonna go count steps walking backwards on the road and fall asleep. Peace.

Yeah, it's cool, you didn't come across as bitter... maybe twisted, but not bitter

Persistence was probably rewarded in some ways, however it was still luck as many people were just as persistent - I know I was. I had MSG2 tickets in my cart and then the crash wiped them out, I kept trying for hours (woke up in the middle of the night local time) as kept trying up until the sold out was posted. I tried all the web geek (that's my job) tricks to have multiple opportunities and still missed out, so my effort, which was probably more than many others was not rewarded. I still say success through skill was an illusion.

I scored tickets to LA3 in 2009 without any problems, but lucked out on MSG2 2010.

I think MSG is probably not a good show to base things on as these shows were insane on all sales. I failed on the 10c sale, then failed on the ticketmaster 10c presale, the regular ticketmaster presale and finally got them in the general sale.

Either way, I'm just glad I wont have to go through that cluster fuck again. And I know that even if I miss out on the 10c sale, there will be tickets somehow (even if I have to pay through the nose).

And, no, hadn't heard of Kiki before... just found her site.. she kinda looks like my wife :?

Holy shit! She looks like your wife?!? You lucky bastard!

I mean, yeah PJ tickets and all that... good stuff

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F5

october22

All day, every day.

RE4790

Paul Andrews wrote:

october22 wrote:

Why do people think it's either lottery or sitting at the computer for hours hitting f5? How about building a site that can handle traffic? Problem solved, no need for a lottery. What's so hard about that?

Fine if you want your membership fees to be in the thousands per year. That is what it will cost to build a system and infrastructure to handle these bandwidth spikes. Those ticketmaster fees don't just go to their slush funds or executive bonuses.

The infrastructure required for a few hours per year would be totally wasted the other 364 days per year - no-one needs that kind of redundancy in a band website. If you look at what ticketmaster/livenation spend on their online infrastructure, it is totally unrealistic for this site to go down that path.

Yeah, if only there were some kind of massive, well-established, auto-scaling, elastic computing cloud that runs on a pay-what-you-use basis that could be leveraged. Ticketing would be as smooth as lazily drifting down a giant river in Brazil.


And MSG is the problem, thus that is what the solution should be engineered to. No one designs cars to only handle a 3 mile an hour collision. IMHO, The lotto went smoothly. We got ease of use in exchange for reduced chance of getting tickets, but if you remember back to Toronto 2011, MSG 2010, and PJ20 that is exactly what people on this board were demanding. It may not have been what a majority of 10c'ers want, since a majority don't post here, but the squeaky wheel gets this grease and in their anger and frustration with the system, there were lots of squeaky wheels.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I love the new lottery system.
LOVE IT!

Now lets make the 1st 20 rows ALL lottery seats..
Not just 1-2-9-10
Lets make the 1st 20 rows lottery!!!!!!!
And all will be good in the World!

Tuta23

I just wish seniority meant something again.

Even if it wasn't ticket related.... maybe old timers get a t-shirt AND a walking cane...