New Lottery System

JimmyV

RE4790 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Yep. The lottery has only been used for one of the most in demand PJ shows ever so it is hard to judge it just based off of that.

True, but Wrigley capacity is twice that of most venues the band plays and the 10C said they had more tickets (a higher %) than they usually get. I suspect it will be a pretty good measure of the North Eastern US shows.

Perhaps. But assuming we get 2 Philly, 2 NYC, 1 Hartford, 2 Boston, there will be many more shows to choose from. No matter how many tickets 10C had for Wrigley it still was only a single show. Or one of two if you count London.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

october22 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

What do I have to offer.

I get pure joy and laughter from the people here, who think that sitting on a computer for 2-5 hours, hitting the F5 key, is the better way to do things. Every day those same people, bring a smile to my face, with their non stop whining, bitching and complaining. Sitting on a computer for 5 hours, while the system crashes, wasting 2-5 hours of your day, is not a good thing, in my eyes. Putting my name in a hat, taking 5 minutes to enter the lottery, is a better way.

Sounds like you have a pretty strange fetish. I prefer to get my joy from the smile on a baby's face or blow jobs but to each his own.

Exactly, to each their own.
Have a nice day.

shortstack

i think anyone who said they hit f5 for 5 hours is a flat out liar.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

shortstack wrote:

i think anyone who said they hit f5 for 5 hours is a flat out liar.

I know people here who sat on their computers for 16 HOURS trying for ALPINE tickets.

rearviewross

I think there should be a drawing to see who gets to enter the lottery. The drawing is determined by F5ing. If you get into the lottery the names will be pulled and put in alphabetical order. Once that is done, the 10c will pull letters out of a bag. If you letter is pulled you get tickets. If there aren't enough tickets, it will be drawn by seniority. There everybody is happy, the F5ers, the seniority whiners and the lottery honks.

shortstack

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

shortstack wrote:

i think anyone who said they hit f5 for 5 hours is a flat out liar.

I know people here who sat on their computers for 16 HOURS trying for ALPINE tickets.

i want names

rearviewross

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

shortstack wrote:

i think anyone who said they hit f5 for 5 hours is a flat out liar.

I know people here who sat on their computers for 16 HOURS trying for ALPINE tickets.

I got through after 3 hours or so, otherwise I would have been hitting it until my fingers fell off.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

shortstack wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

shortstack wrote:

i think anyone who said they hit f5 for 5 hours is a flat out liar.

I know people here who sat on their computers for 16 HOURS trying for ALPINE tickets.

i want names

I could EASILY call out 10-20 people. People who I consider friends, people whose husbands I have met, people whose wives I have met, people I have broken bread with, people I have known for over 10 years.
They wanted their tickets, they tried for tickets for 10-16 hours.
Thats a fact.

JimmyV

shortstack wrote:

i think anyone who said they hit f5 for 5 hours is a flat out liar.

Do you remember that day? The sale dragged on all day, to the point that it was still going on when Tim Bierman and Rob were on the air for the AET radio show. It was an all day event for many.

shortstack

rearviewross wrote:

I think there should be a drawing to see who gets to enter the lottery. The drawing is determined by F5ing. If you get into the lottery the names will be pulled and put in alphabetical order. Once that is done, the 10c will pull letters out of a bag. If you letter is pulled you get tickets. If there aren't enough tickets, it will be drawn by seniority. There everybody is happy, the F5ers, the seniority whiners and the lottery honks.

i didn't even read that ^




how about you people keep your lottery for the "special one-of-a-kind shows" and go back to what they used in 2011 for regular shows. solved.

QuarterToTen

shortstack wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

shortstack wrote:

i think anyone who said they hit f5 for 5 hours is a flat out liar.

I know people here who sat on their computers for 16 HOURS trying for ALPINE tickets.

i want names

I have sat for Hours refreshing, afraid to leave the computer, numerous times, only to be ultimately totally disappointed. The old system was excruciatingly frustrating.

My name is Mary Beth.

rearviewross

shortstack wrote:

rearviewross wrote:

I think there should be a drawing to see who gets to enter the lottery. The drawing is determined by F5ing. If you get into the lottery the names will be pulled and put in alphabetical order. Once that is done, the 10c will pull letters out of a bag. If you letter is pulled you get tickets. If there aren't enough tickets, it will be drawn by seniority. There everybody is happy, the F5ers, the seniority whiners and the lottery honks.

i didn't even read that ^




how about you people keep your lottery for the "special one-of-a-kind shows" and go back to what they used in 2011 for regular shows. solved.

It was sarcastic.

shortstack

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I could EASILY call out 10-20 people. People who I consider friends, people whose husbands I have met, people whose wives I have met, people I have broken bread with, people I have known for over 10 years.
They wanted their tickets, they tried for tickets for 10-16 hours.
Thats a fact.

liars.

JimmyV

QuarterToTen wrote:

shortstack wrote:

i want names

I have sat for Hours refreshing, afraid to leave the computer, numerous times, only to be ultimately totally disappointed. The old system was excruciatingly frustrating.

My name is Mary Beth.

Thank you Mary Beth.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

QuarterToTen wrote:

I have sat for Hours refreshing, afraid to leave the computer, numerous times, only to be ultimately totally disappointed. The old system was excruciatingly frustrating.

My name is Mary Beth.

My name is Michael
I went to work for 12 hours, while EVERYONE here tried to get Alpine tickets.
I came home from work, and it took me 3 minutes to buy tickets.



AND PEOPLE WERE PISSED!!!!!

shortstack

rearviewross wrote:

shortstack wrote:

rearviewross wrote:

I think there should be a drawing to see who gets to enter the lottery. The drawing is determined by F5ing. If you get into the lottery the names will be pulled and put in alphabetical order. Once that is done, the 10c will pull letters out of a bag. If you letter is pulled you get tickets. If there aren't enough tickets, it will be drawn by seniority. There everybody is happy, the F5ers, the seniority whiners and the lottery honks.

i didn't even read that ^




how about you people keep your lottery for the "special one-of-a-kind shows" and go back to what they used in 2011 for regular shows. solved.

It was sarcastic.

k

QuarterToTen

JimmyV wrote:

QuarterToTen wrote:

shortstack wrote:

i want names

I have sat for Hours refreshing, afraid to leave the computer, numerous times, only to be ultimately totally disappointed. The old system was excruciatingly frustrating.

My name is Mary Beth.

Thank you Mary Beth.

:thumbup:

MG79478

QuarterToTen wrote:

I have sat for Hours refreshing, afraid to leave the computer, numerous times, only to be ultimately totally disappointed. The old system was excruciatingly frustrating.

My name is Mary Beth.

So are you saying you got shut out of Alpine tickets? Didn't EVERYONE get Alpine tickets?

I'd like to focus on non-PJ20 shows. I sat there for minutes, I got my tickets, I left happy, EVERY TIME.

electronblue

rearviewross wrote:

I think there should be a drawing to see who gets to enter the lottery. The drawing is determined by F5ing. If you get into the lottery the names will be pulled and put in alphabetical order. Once that is done, the 10c will pull letters out of a bag. If you letter is pulled you get tickets. If there aren't enough tickets, it will be drawn by seniority. There everybody is happy, the F5ers, the seniority whiners and the lottery honks.

MG79478

JimmyV wrote:

To your first point, what may have been rare occasions became frequent occasions beginning in at least 2010. MSG and the rest of the northeast that year, PJ20 and the Canadian debacle in 2011. It was becoming the rule, not the exception. F5 was most certainly broken.

I live in the Northeast and had no problems getting tickets to any show other than PJ20. It’s ludicrous to think that somehow a system that always worked fine was suddenly getting overloaded. There was no massive spike in PJ fans trying to get tickets.

JimmyV wrote:

To your second point, neither your experience with Tickets.com nor the method used to enter an arena has anything to do with the 10C ticket lottery. The Tickets.com method is obviously of poor design which may be why 10C did not adopt it. I don’t particularly care how people line up. If you would like to advocate for a lottery I say go right ahead. And none of what you wrote there rebutted my point that it makes no sense to pretend the f5 method was perfect.

That’s because my point was to address “sitting in front of your computer for hours”. I’d also like to point out again that it was normally only minutes, and not hours. But if you want a reason why the old system was fairly close to perfect its simple… The fans that REALLY want the tickets bad enough, can get them 100% of the time. Everyone else is essentially in a lottery. Everyone should have been happy. Could it have been improved on… sure! The problem is that people didn’t realize what they had and complained; now their chances are worse.

*IF* we are stuck with a lottery for tickets, I do advocate for a lottery for venue entry. What is funny is that some of the fiercest ticket lottery defenders will balk at the idea of a lottery for venue entry. I also advocate for a lottery for limited edition merchandise in that case. Sure the people who frequent the boards *SHOULD* get first crack, but we should be fair and consistent. Maybe I’ll get lucky and win the lottery for something cool with no effort, who cares that it lowers everyone else's chances?

JimmyV wrote:

To your third point, I do question how many people were cheating because I have learned that some were. That is not, however, the root of all F5 hate. I hated F5 long before I knew people were cheating. The example I gave earlier was the Hartford 2010 show. No one got tickets that day because they worked harder than me, that argument is completely not based in reality. Many got tickets because they were lucky that day. Some got tickets because they knew how to cheat the system. Cheating the system does not constitute working harder that someone else. Quite the opposite actually.

Well then you live in a different reality then the rest of us, because I am not the only one saying that with the appropriate time and effort, you were essentially guaranteed tickets. You keep going back to that you either got lucky or you cheated, that’s just not the case. That’s quite honestly offensive to me and a lot of people who honestly used the system.

JimmyV wrote:

Again, I am not saying everyone or even most who got tickets through F5 were cheating. But some of us were. That the lottery eliminated this cheating is among the best reasons for its continued use. On that point I say nice job 10C.

“Some of us were”… Freudian Slip?

Let’s assume for a minute that cheating was actually a problem. I doubt that having a handful of people “cheat” to get tickets had a worse impact on your chances than the ease of entry of the lottery. So even if you believe there was a cheating problem, it’s still not a logical reason to want to switch as it lowers your chances.