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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    Dr. Delight wrote:
    Not good news for Xbox lovers.

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/20/ ... ce=twitter
    What's the point of even selling a hard copy version of a game? If you're just going to instal the game and never touch the disc again, then you might as well just download the game from the online store.

    Back when it was suggested that the next gen systems would not allow for used games I assumed both would go the same direction. I mean, I get it either way. A) You don't want to piss off the gamers who like used games and the flexibility to borrow or bring a game over to a friends place, etc. and B) You want to be able to pay your developers what they deserve and therefore keep them happy/onboard to make future quality games...
    Yeah, it's early, but if Microsoft goes that route AND has some pointless install-only based discs...could spell trouble. Hopefully for Xbox fans, this is just some silly rumor because from the responses people are posting on gaming websites....people aren't happy about this.
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    mca47 wrote:
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    Dr. Delight wrote:
    Not good news for Xbox lovers.

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/20/ ... ce=twitter
    What's the point of even selling a hard copy version of a game? If you're just going to instal the game and never touch the disc again, then you might as well just download the game from the online store.

    Back when it was suggested that the next gen systems would not allow for used games I assumed both would go the same direction. I mean, I get it either way. A) You don't want to piss off the gamers who like used games and the flexibility to borrow or bring a game over to a friends place, etc. and B) You want to be able to pay your developers what they deserve and therefore keep them happy/onboard to make future quality games...
    Yeah, it's early, but if Microsoft goes that route AND has some pointless install-only based discs...could spell trouble. Hopefully for Xbox fans, this is just some silly rumor because from the responses people are posting on gaming websites....people aren't happy about this.
    The always-on rumours started with the PS4 and were confirmed false (so far, who's to say they just won't pull a Linux and add it after launch). I won't believe that MS will for the always on bs until it's official, it's just too stupid.
    Most PS3 games require an install, although don't completely eliminate the disc (?) - could be closer to that. Doesn't really make any sense otherwise, unless it's because of the garbage read time of brd. Will be sticking with current gen for quite some time, I think!
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    Rygar wrote:
    The always-on rumours started with the PS4 and were confirmed false (so far, who's to say they just won't pull a Linux and add it after launch). I won't believe that MS will for the always on bs until it's official, it's just too stupid.
    Most PS3 games require an install, although don't completely eliminate the disc (?) - could be closer to that. Doesn't really make any sense otherwise, unless it's because of the garbage read time of brd. Will be sticking with current gen for quite some time, I think!
    I'd say half of PS3 games require some sort of install due to the Blu-ray read time which vary in size. I know companies are getting to the downloadable titles, but I just don't get the purchase of a disc to install the entire thing...then the disc itself is useless. You also have to figure next gen games are going to hold a lot of data. If you require ALL games to be installed, that HDD is going to fill up really quick. Hell, the new version of The Show has a 5 or 10GB install (optional) and that game isn't that big compared to others.
    Let's just hope the rumors are BS. When is MS planning on their reveal?
    I want a reason to own both consoles when they are released and right now I'd buy a PS4 (barring some crazy price) on release date.
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    mca47 wrote:
    I'd say half of PS3 games require some sort of install due to the Blu-ray read time which vary in size. I know companies are getting to the downloadable titles, but I just don't get the purchase of a disc to install the entire thing...then the disc itself is useless. You also have to figure next gen games are going to hold a lot of data. If you require ALL games to be installed, that HDD is going to fill up really quick. Hell, the new version of The Show has a 5 or 10GB install (optional) and that game isn't that big compared to others.
    Let's just hope the rumors are BS. When is MS planning on their reveal?
    I want a reason to own both consoles when they are released and right now I'd buy a PS4 (barring some crazy price) on release date.
    I based my PS3 disc on my own ownership, not sure I have one that didn't install a good chunk off the disc on first play. You make a very good point that I agree with - the HDD is going to have to be a giant if this is the way they go.
    I don't know when the reveal is. To be honest, if the rumours are true the install wouldn't keep me from getting one. Could be prep for the world of digital download, however. The always on connectivity (which could be a quick-fire/connected/updated always on as opposed to DRM always on) would have me thinking twice, but I don't know if it would stop me from getting one. I am not in a rush for either, plenty of life left in the old dogs!
  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    I like the idea of it not reading from the disc. How many disc errors have you got while playing? It also increases noise and heat.

    The disc is needed because a lot of people dont have high speed internet or if they do they may not play online, like myself. The disc hopefully can be reused if your HDD dies or you uninstall a game and want to reinstall it a year or two later.

    I really hope they dont use DRM but wouldnt be surprised. If Xbox does it and Sony doesnt, I guess I will jump ship to Sony. I am not buying both. If they both do it, then I probably wont buy one until there are games available for $20. I refuse to pay over $30 for a game.
    Forced to endure, what I cannot forgive.
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    rearviewross wrote:
    I like the idea of it not reading from the disc. How many disc errors have you got while playing? It also increases noise and heat.

    The disc is needed because a lot of people dont have high speed internet or if they do they may not play online, like myself. The disc hopefully can be reused if your HDD dies or you uninstall a game and want to reinstall it a year or two later.

    I really hope they dont use DRM but wouldnt be surprised. If Xbox does it and Sony doesnt, I guess I will jump ship to Sony. I am not buying both. If they both do it, then I probably wont buy one until there are games available for $20. I refuse to pay over $30 for a game.
    Yeah, in an ideal world a disc wouldn't be needed. While harddrives have gotten much cheaper over the years, there is no way a next gen system is going to come with a terabyte HDD...which would probably be needed for 100% installs...otherwise you're going to have to install and uninstall in order to keep space available. I have a fast internet connection and I am not a fan of downloading 10GB games...and that's "this gen". Downloading a 50-100GB game is not going to happen for me. F that!
    I've actually never had a disc read error.
    You never spend more than $30 on a game? How do you do that? Used and old games?
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    I install all the games I am playing on my 120g 360 HDD. There is more than enough space to install as many games as I'm going to be playing at once - say I've got 10 games on the go, which is not true or even close to it, I have them all installed. The disc is only used for verification. I can see the same thing being done for the next gen system, mind you if they're forcing it they're going to have to go big on the HDD space.
    What was the PS4 hard drive?

    I delete a game after I've beaten it, or if it is not getting played, and re-install it when I want to. Turns out it isn't a huge ordeal, still faster than a 32mb update for the PS3 (not really but funny :P).

    Hopefully the always-on DRM rumour isn't true. If it were, and Sony changed plans and didn't implement it, then maybe MS will abandon it before it is released anyway.
  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    mca47 wrote:
    rearviewross wrote:
    I like the idea of it not reading from the disc. How many disc errors have you got while playing? It also increases noise and heat.

    The disc is needed because a lot of people dont have high speed internet or if they do they may not play online, like myself. The disc hopefully can be reused if your HDD dies or you uninstall a game and want to reinstall it a year or two later.

    I really hope they dont use DRM but wouldnt be surprised. If Xbox does it and Sony doesnt, I guess I will jump ship to Sony. I am not buying both. If they both do it, then I probably wont buy one until there are games available for $20. I refuse to pay over $30 for a game.
    Yeah, in an ideal world a disc wouldn't be needed. While harddrives have gotten much cheaper over the years, there is no way a next gen system is going to come with a terabyte HDD...which would probably be needed for 100% installs...otherwise you're going to have to install and uninstall in order to keep space available. I have a fast internet connection and I am not a fan of downloading 10GB games...and that's "this gen". Downloading a 50-100GB game is not going to happen for me. F that!
    I've actually never had a disc read error.
    You never spend more than $30 on a game? How do you do that? Used and old games?

    Yep, I only buy old or used games. Too much speculation right now. It is fun to speculate but I am not going to get upset until I hear something from Sony and MS.
    Forced to endure, what I cannot forgive.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    I dont really by used games too often, and I dont borrow them... and also rarely sell games. So its not too bad for me.

    I do let others borrow my games though
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    MayDay10 wrote:
    I dont really by used games too often, and I dont borrow them... and also rarely sell games. So its not too bad for me.

    I do let others borrow my games though

    Yeah, I never buy used games. It's extremely rare that I sell games. Occasionally when Gamestop (who I really hate) has some deal going on I'll find a game that I know I'll never play again and trade it in on a new one that I've been wanting. I did once purchase a game on Ebay. Game had been out for one week, I found it on Ebay for like $15. Apparently the dude selling it didn't like it and just wanted to get rid of it....Score! :D
    99% of my games are purchased new.
  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    I refuse to pay $50/60 dollars on a new game. I buy nothing but used games off ebay.
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    mca47 wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    I dont really by used games too often, and I dont borrow them... and also rarely sell games. So its not too bad for me.

    I do let others borrow my games though

    Yeah, I never buy used games. It's extremely rare that I sell games. Occasionally when Gamestop (who I really hate) has some deal going on I'll find a game that I know I'll never play again and trade it in on a new one that I've been wanting. I did once purchase a game on Ebay. Game had been out for one week, I found it on Ebay for like $15. Apparently the dude selling it didn't like it and just wanted to get rid of it....Score! :D
    99% of my games are purchased new.

    Sucker. :D Just kidding. If you play online then buying new makes sense for me, I dont buy games that often so I can wait a year or two for the prices to come down to 20-30 dollars. I dont play online so it doesnt matter if I have the old version of Halo, or Black Ops.
    Forced to endure, what I cannot forgive.
  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    Picked up the show last night. It's a good game. Need to get all my settings together.


    TW13 comes out on the 25th. I haven't played that in a while. Might pick it up.
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    rearviewross wrote:
    mca47 wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    I dont really by used games too often, and I dont borrow them... and also rarely sell games. So its not too bad for me.

    I do let others borrow my games though

    Yeah, I never buy used games. It's extremely rare that I sell games. Occasionally when Gamestop (who I really hate) has some deal going on I'll find a game that I know I'll never play again and trade it in on a new one that I've been wanting. I did once purchase a game on Ebay. Game had been out for one week, I found it on Ebay for like $15. Apparently the dude selling it didn't like it and just wanted to get rid of it....Score! :D
    99% of my games are purchased new.

    Sucker. :D Just kidding. If you play online then buying new makes sense for me, I dont buy games that often so I can wait a year or two for the prices to come down to 20-30 dollars. I dont play online so it doesnt matter if I have the old version of Halo, or Black Ops.
    Patience goes a long way too, new games eventually hit 20 bucks ;)
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    rearviewross wrote:
    mca47 wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    I dont really by used games too often, and I dont borrow them... and also rarely sell games. So its not too bad for me.

    I do let others borrow my games though

    Yeah, I never buy used games. It's extremely rare that I sell games. Occasionally when Gamestop (who I really hate) has some deal going on I'll find a game that I know I'll never play again and trade it in on a new one that I've been wanting. I did once purchase a game on Ebay. Game had been out for one week, I found it on Ebay for like $15. Apparently the dude selling it didn't like it and just wanted to get rid of it....Score! :D
    99% of my games are purchased new.

    Sucker. :D Just kidding. If you play online then buying new makes sense for me, I dont buy games that often so I can wait a year or two for the prices to come down to 20-30 dollars. I dont play online so it doesnt matter if I have the old version of Halo, or Black Ops.
    I have no problem paying full price and also rewarding whatever development team that created the game. I met a guy who works for Naughty Dog. He was telling me how difficult the industry is and how the talent pool coming into the industry is so bleak. I guess it's not very lucrative (unless you are super talented and land with a high level developer) and as a result few people coming out of school go that route. Also know a dude that works for IGN that basically said the same thing. Many young programmers are shifting to creating small downloadable games that cost practically nothing to make, are cheap for the consumer and sell a ton of "copies". Same thing with games for smart phones/tablets.
    I have no problem with people who want to buy used games...times are tough, and $65 is a lot for a game. Because of GameStop, eBay, Craigslist, etc. overall profit margines for ever game sold are around 60%...as opposed to 100% if everyone bought new. I like videogames and therefore have no problem supporting those folks who make the games.
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    Metal Gear Solid 5 trailer...
    http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/27/me ... iler-1080p

    :shock: :shock:
    Fuckin awesome!!!!! :thumbup:
  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    mca47 wrote:
    Metal Gear Solid 5 trailer...
    http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/27/me ... iler-1080p

    :shock: :shock:
    Fuckin awesome!!!!! :thumbup:
    Not really sure what I just watched, but it looks cool.

    I guess all that stuff was in Snake's Mind while in a 9 yr coma?
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    Dr. Delight wrote:
    mca47 wrote:
    Metal Gear Solid 5 trailer...
    http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/27/me ... iler-1080p

    :shock: :shock:
    Fuckin awesome!!!!! :thumbup:
    Not really sure what I just watched, but it looks cool.

    I guess all that stuff was in Snake's Mind while in a 9 yr coma?
    Who knows? Looks badass!!! :D pretty amazing what they can do on current gen systems....can't imagine what Metal Gear or Uncharted, etc would look like on next gen systems! :shock:
  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    MGSV is slated for PS3 Correct. This will not be a PS4 title?
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    Dr. Delight wrote:
    MGSV is slated for PS3 Correct. This will not be a PS4 title?
    That's my understanding.

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