Why do people feel so entitled to 10C tickets?

Ty wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Ty wrote:

I'm in Australia, so I didn't try get tickets. I have also never missed out on tickets I wanted before, despite getting close with a few EV shows indeed.

I have also NEVER complained or whinged about the TenClub, ever.

An ongoing member for 17 years now, the main reason we pay our money to the TenClub is for the hope a tour announcement and the security of knowing we, as fans paying a premium for the privilege, can get rad tickets before the general public fans (who are not paying the premium). We don't pay it for the forum, nor the 45" or the 8x10 or whatever... we pay it for the tickets. If Pearl Jam can't guarantee us the tickets when we want them, as premium paying TenClub members, then they shouldn't offer the service at all, nor charge us for it... just make the 45" available in the shop and be done with the TenClub.

"Fans are fans ad they all deserve tickets!" Yes, I agree, totally. But if some fans pay a premium to be part of a TenClub community to ensure tickets when we want them, then we should get them.

To the argument that "Pearl Jam aren't allocated many tickets for the fanclub release..." Bullshit! They are the fucking headline act that booked the venue. They can have all the tickets if they want. During the TenClub presale window they should sell up to the capacity of the venue. If it's full of TenClubbers and sold out, well it's sold out and full of fans who paid the premium of access to early full-priced tickets.

If someone is paying their $50 for the 45" and the magazine (both cool items, btw, but not worth that money alone), they are a dickhead. I expect to get tickets through the TenClub and should, for the annual cost.

I hope the TenClub read this post before they announce an Australian tour.

My question is... in 1996 when the band was undoubtedly at it's biggest and most in demand, did TenClubbers ever miss out on tickets through the TenClub? If the answer is no, something needs to be fixed! I remember the NY 200 bootleg mentioning something like 9,000 TenClubbers each night at MSG.

just to add something in your thought..
someone from Argentina why to become 10c member before 05??
they never played there before
me,why to be member before 06??and why to keep my membership??they will never play here again..
and do you think,that 10c go to a meeting for book a venue and will say we want all the venue,cos we can sell it??and they just get it??
venues has contracts with ticket companies,season holders,promoters..

at 96 the members wasnt so many 10c member as are today..
tickets are nt enough for all..and people will shut out..
they just fixed the system to run smooth..they didnt put the lottery and the tickets they had for saler are more..
are the same as they can get as always..just the system is different..

TenClub membership was a hell of a lot cheaper in '05/'06. And you travel to shows, so early access to tickets is worth it to you, so you paid the premium. I pay each and every year too, in hope of a tour I want tickets to, which I should be entitled to access, not gamble for.

LostTurntable wrote:

The lottery exists because the 10c doesn't want to deal with having to pay for servers. So stop trying to defend it.

Ty wrote:

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**Access to Fan Club only Ticket Pre-sales

Access to me means access. That is my argument. A lottery isn't access. A lottery is a gamble/lottery. A lottery prior to the actual sale of the tickets isn't access to ticket pre-sales.

And dude, I love your passion and presence on this Forum. I'm liking the debate, and like we are conversing without slinging shit, which you see a lot on here!

awilkins wrote:

I just don't get it.

For a very long time getting 10C tickets has been a lottery of sorts. Whether it was luck of F5'ing or luck of the lottery draw, it was always a gamble. And yes, many of us had our tricks and secrets to beat F5'ing or make sure we had the best chance at getting tickets, but it was just that, a chance, not a guarantee. 10C offers the chance to get tickets before the general public and, in most instances, the best possible seats. Just because you got lucky and/or perfected your technique in getting tickets time after time over the years, doesn't actually make you entitled to tickets. Paying money for a membership with perks and a chance doesn't guarantee you anything.

I've been a 10C member for 10 years, been to 8 PJ shows and to 2 EV shows, and I've gotten 10C tickets 4 times: PJ in Halifax, Hartford, and Montreal, and EV in Hartford. I've spent countless hours, days even, F5'ing in order to successfully and more often than not unsuccessfully get 10C tickets. In the instances where I didn't get lucky, I found other ways to obtain tickets or just didn't go. And yes, I live in New Brunswick, Canada, a place PJ has never played, but I don't mind travelling as little as 3.5 hours or upwards of 18 hours to see a band I love.

I've been a fan of this band for a very long time, and while there are several occasions where I haven't enjoyed some of the decisions they have or 10C or management or whomever was responsible, have made, I've understood this was in the best interest of someone and I've rolled with it. The most recent approach to 10C tickets is the smoothest and most fair to every fan, new and old, in order to see a band that means a great deal to them. Sure the chance to use your techniques and patience hitting F5 to have a better chance at getting tickets is gone, but it was only ever a chance. Now, one can log in, choose options, not have your face ripped off, and receive an email notifying you of your choices instantly, along with an email relatively soon after the deadline notifying you whether or not you were successful.

As far as Wrigley goes, I submitted my #1 (and only) choice of GA pit only this morning as the timing just doesn't work out the greatest for me in my current state of school-life-employment. Within seconds I had an email confirming my selection. Two minutes before the deadline, I canceled my order, having a change of heart on the realities of possibly winning, albeit remote. Again, within seconds, I received an email confirming my cancellation. This was the simplest ticket order I've ever had, and being able to subsequently cancel it--an option that was never before available-- was a great.

So while many will say it's easy to write a post proclaiming support for 10C when the author didn't end up opting to enter the lottery, I will grant you that. However, do I feel entitled to receive 10C tickets? No. Have I ever? No. Have I been shut out from 10C tickets before? Yes. Have I been extremely frustrated and wasted countless hours hitting F5 for nothing? Yes. But I never complained. There are other ways to get tickets via other presales, general onsales, making friends, waiting until the last minute, and the always dreaded scalper, which I don't recommend, as one should never have to pay more than face value for something. Scalpers are usually good for cheaper than face value if you can stand to wait until the very last minute, however this isn't easily done with those travelling great distances.

And to those that say a better system would be a first come first served option, what about the fan that has to work that day? Or the new fan that was at a funeral? Or the server crashes we've come to know and love oh so much? I don't think the biggest and most honest PJ fan is also the fan that sits at his or her computer for countless hours so as to not miss a thing, let alone the chance to purchase tickets to the show of their choice. This new lottery option with servers that work and ease of use is likely the best and most all-encompassing/inclusive option we've had to date, whether you were successful today or not.

My point here is, we should all take a moment to reflect on what it means to be a fan of music. What it means to be a fan of PJ. What it means to be a considerate and compassionate human being. And not what we all have come to accept as normal in jadedness and entitlement. So you didn't win the lottery to see your favourite band. Big deal. There are other options to do so. And the band will play other shows, they'll play other legendary shows and in cool locations. Seeing Pearl Jam is not about the ability to brag to your friends about things or possession or that you were at X location when Y guest showed up for Z song, but about the personal experience you had with a band who's music means so much and your friends and family just don't understand why you love to see them multiple times. This is something you can't see or hold, but only feel.

So be a fan of Pearl Jam. Be a fan of live music. Be a fan of humanity and humility and take your sense of entitlement and shove it.

"I know I was born and I know that I'll die. The in between is mine. I am mine."

boyo79 wrote:

tremorvoid wrote:

tenclub tickets is really the only reason to be in the tenclub.

Not for me. .

pdalowsky wrote:

Fans outside the fanclub deserve to go too....not everyone lives and breathes the band but that doesnt mean they shouldnt get a chance to see them

pdalowsky wrote:

deserteddotse wrote:

For Wuhlheide 10C tickets are great, with the separate entrance, the fanclub area etc...
Other than that, 10C tickets doesn't matter to me...

that was great

the early entrance is nice too at venues. That alone is worth the fee for membership.

Also Wembley 07 - the tenclub floor was superb.

Generally Ian is dead right though - its not so important with GA and seniority isnt an issue across the pond whatsoever