Purpose for USA??

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fear4freedom wrote:
    YOU MADE THE STATEMENT, back it up! Where is your evidence? You said that 21 million current day slaves outnumbers the totals from all of human history! PROVE IT!

    I said there were 20.9 million slaves in the World today, and I posted the evidence. You said there used to be 21 million. Where's your evidence? And I didn't say the number today outnumbers the totals from all of human history, I said it's more than 'at any time in history'. There's a difference.

    So, where does that leave your quaint little god-given "American Experiement"?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Smellyman wrote:
    if there was one thing I have learned in my life is you can't debate a religious zealot with their head up the USA's ass.

    Can maybe debate one, but not two fronts of fervor. No need to try, especially on the internet.


    of course not saying you are one. Your posting history is fair and balanced....

    :lol:
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    fear4freedom wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Im am wondering what you have to say about Austrailia's founding??


    i have a lot to say about australias founding and none of its complimentary.. are you ready???

    sure!

    first off.... kudos for figuring out which country i call home without me even having to give you a hint.

    but tbh i doubt i could get into a deep and meaningful discussion with you about the origins about my country and how it differs from the founding of the united states of america cause i doubt you know enough australia history or british and irish history and how they relate to the history of my country to sustain such a discussion... but what i will say is i do not support how settler states are founded. i do not support the oppression of native peoples, or any peoples for that matter. i do not support the genocidal intent of the founders of my country nor do i support the notion of terra nullius, upon which the claiming of the east coast of new holland by the brits was pronounced.
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    fear4freedom wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    If the USA was created by God with the purpose to spread individual liberty to all mankind, then it's very ironic that God picked a bunch of slaveholders to start this country off... don't ya think?

    America didnt start slavery there bud! Slavery was part of life for thousands of years.....if anything God gave humans a chance through "The American Experiment"


    :lol::lol:

    I love how you think you're giving me a history lesson. Of course I know that slavery existed for thousands of years before it existed in America, and you should know that it still exists in the many of the countries America currently does business with. Now here's a lesson for you that you may have forgotten about... Slavery was justified in the Bible...

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

    Maybe it's pointless to ask again, but if God wanted America to be the country that ends slavery, why was it started by slaveholders such as George Washington and James Madison? Great Britain ended slavery in 1833, 30 years before America... why aren't they the better candidate for God's beacon of freedom?
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    fear4freedom wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    If the USA was created by God with the purpose to spread individual liberty to all mankind, then it's very ironic that God picked a bunch of slaveholders to start this country off... don't ya think?

    America didnt start slavery there bud! Slavery was part of life for thousands of years.....if anything God gave humans a chance through "The American Experiment"
    im pretty sure you never travel out of your neighbornhood
    you know..the world isnt what you see on the tv,you know the control media...
    and btw...you think America is unique??
    you dont even have your own Language...you speak English...
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    kenny olav wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    If the USA was created by God with the purpose to spread individual liberty to all mankind, then it's very ironic that God picked a bunch of slaveholders to start this country off... don't ya think?

    America didnt start slavery there bud! Slavery was part of life for thousands of years.....if anything God gave humans a chance through "The American Experiment"


    :lol::lol:

    I love how you think you're giving me a history lesson. Of course I know that slavery existed for thousands of years before it existed in America, and you should know that it still exists in the many of the countries America currently does business with. Now here's a lesson for you that you may have forgotten about... Slavery was justified in the Bible...

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

    Maybe it's pointless to ask again, but if God wanted America to be the country that ends slavery, why was it started by slaveholders such as George Washington and James Madison? Great Britain ended slavery in 1833, 30 years before America... why aren't they the better candidate for God's beacon of freedom?

    :clap:
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    kenny olav wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    If the USA was created by God with the purpose to spread individual liberty to all mankind, then it's very ironic that God picked a bunch of slaveholders to start this country off... don't ya think?

    America didnt start slavery there bud! Slavery was part of life for thousands of years.....if anything God gave humans a chance through "The American Experiment"


    :lol::lol:

    I love how you think you're giving me a history lesson. Of course I know that slavery existed for thousands of years before it existed in America, and you should know that it still exists in the many of the countries America currently does business with. Now here's a lesson for you that you may have forgotten about... Slavery was justified in the Bible...

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

    Maybe it's pointless to ask again, but if God wanted America to be the country that ends slavery, why was it started by slaveholders such as George Washington and James Madison? Great Britain ended slavery in 1833, 30 years before America... why aren't they the better candidate for God's beacon of freedom?
    great post!!!

    and for the record..God should choose Greece
    Greece abolished slavery at 1822
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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Slavery will always exist in any world! Cant you look deep enough as to why? There will always be hard labor that needs done and there is never enough money to pay everyone! There is SOME food, so if the slaves eat just enough food, then the next day they are able to do more of the work! Its common sense. Is it nice? NO
    Is it just? NO. Is it realistic? In a world of human beings-YES. We do not live in a Theoretical world as I have stated before. Many people like to cling on to these subjects to denounce captialism and the USA, well again, America didnt invent slavery! Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions. It gave us a chance to give women rights and give our children a better quality of life. Capitalism also provided the entire world with more wealth from charity and economics than anything else. American Capitalism is imported as a way of doing business and working in many parts of the world. Look at Hong Kong, they are booming because they have accepted Capitalism. The USA is probably %60 Capitalism and %40 Socialism. Its the Socialism percentage that is driving up our debt! That will be the part that brings us down. You say you dont like Capitalism? Well point me to something better? Show me a specific example. We have given humans the best chance they have ever had with American Capitalism! AND its a socialist president and socialism that will bring us down!

    Capitalism is not the problem....Capitalists are! Humans will ruin anything! Its not the system....its the greed! However the system of socialism is a failure ultimately!
    Theres no time like the present

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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions.

    !
    Democracy made that and not Capitalism..and USA wasnt the one invent Democracy ..
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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions.

    !
    Democracy made that and not Capitalism..and USA wasnt the one invent Democracy ..

    DUDE America has the oldest current form of govt. in the world! Most of the world has modeled their new democracy after ours! France has had 17 new forms of govt in the past 250 years! Get your facts straight and understand that most of the world is using our belief system now in many ways. China is slowly accepting Capitalism! Russia wont cause they dont make things! They just have energy resources.

    America is the newest big nation and has the oldest govt. running democracy. That says alot!
    It says that we are exceptional! We just need to balance our budget and promote ethical Capitalism!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    fear4freedom wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions.

    !
    Democracy made that and not Capitalism..and USA wasnt the one invent Democracy ..

    DUDE America has the oldest current form of govt. in the world! Most of the world has modeled their new democracy after ours! France has had 17 new forms of govt in the past 250 years! Get your facts straight and understand that most of the world is using our belief system now in many ways. China is slowly accepting Capitalism! Russia wont cause they dont make things! They just have energy resources.

    America is the newest big nation and has the oldest govt. running democracy. That says alot!
    It says that we are exceptional! We just need to balance our budget and promote ethical Capitalism!
    got it..you dont have a clue what you talking about..
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Please, you "did" Papua New Guinea........I need to here you "do" Canada. My home and native land.

    Thanks in advance.

    Edit: Nevermind, I see you dedicated a whole new thread to it......this is like an early.....or late Christmas. :D
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Slavery will always exist in any world! Cant you look deep enough as to why? There will always be hard labor that needs done and there is never enough money to pay everyone! There is SOME food, so if the slaves eat just enough food, then the next day they are able to do more of the work! Its common sense. Is it nice? NO
    Is it just? NO. Is it realistic? In a world of human beings-YES. We do not live in a Theoretical world as I have stated before. Many people like to cling on to these subjects to denounce captialism and the USA, well again, America didnt invent slavery! Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions. It gave us a chance to give women rights and give our children a better quality of life. Capitalism also provided the entire world with more wealth from charity and economics than anything else. American Capitalism is imported as a way of doing business and working in many parts of the world. Look at Hong Kong, they are booming because they have accepted Capitalism. The USA is probably %60 Capitalism and %40 Socialism. Its the Socialism percentage that is driving up our debt! That will be the part that brings us down. You say you dont like Capitalism? Well point me to something better? Show me a specific example. We have given humans the best chance they have ever had with American Capitalism! AND its a socialist president and socialism that will bring us down!

    Capitalism is not the problem....Capitalists are! Humans will ruin anything! Its not the system....its the greed! However the system of socialism is a failure ultimately!

    Seriously, WTF are you on about?

    America didn't invent Capitalism. I suggest you go and do some homework.

    This may help:
    “World’s Oldest Democracy”: The Myth & The Reality
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%E2%8 ... e-reality/
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Slavery will always exist in any world! Cant you look deep enough as to why? There will always be hard labor that needs done and there is never enough money to pay everyone! There is SOME food, so if the slaves eat just enough food, then the next day they are able to do more of the work! Its common sense. Is it nice? NO
    Is it just? NO. Is it realistic? In a world of human beings-YES. We do not live in a Theoretical world as I have stated before. Many people like to cling on to these subjects to denounce captialism and the USA, well again, America didnt invent slavery! Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions. It gave us a chance to give women rights and give our children a better quality of life. Capitalism also provided the entire world with more wealth from charity and economics than anything else. American Capitalism is imported as a way of doing business and working in many parts of the world. Look at Hong Kong, they are booming because they have accepted Capitalism. The USA is probably %60 Capitalism and %40 Socialism. Its the Socialism percentage that is driving up our debt! That will be the part that brings us down. You say you dont like Capitalism? Well point me to something better? Show me a specific example. We have given humans the best chance they have ever had with American Capitalism! AND its a socialist president and socialism that will bring us down!

    Capitalism is not the problem....Capitalists are! Humans will ruin anything! Its not the system....its the greed! However the system of socialism is a failure ultimately!

    Seriously, WTF are you on about?

    America didn't invent Capitalism. I suggest you go and do some homework.

    This may help:
    “World’s Oldest Democracy”: The Myth & The Reality
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%E2%8 ... e-reality/

    Who said USA is the world's oldest Democracy? Read again! LOL
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    what the fuck is this thread on about? i am sorry but you sir are brainwashed... hugely. this is probably the most ridiculous thread on here. there was a thread once on the raccoon with one dozen boung holes. i believe this tops that exact thread.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    god has not ever not one single time blessed the united states over any other country, that is a fact. it has never ever happened, it never ever will happen.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

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    I am tired; my heart is
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    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Slavery will always exist in any world! Cant you look deep enough as to why? There will always be hard labor that needs done and there is never enough money to pay everyone! There is SOME food, so if the slaves eat just enough food, then the next day they are able to do more of the work! Its common sense. Is it nice? NO
    Is it just? NO. Is it realistic? In a world of human beings-YES. We do not live in a Theoretical world as I have stated before. Many people like to cling on to these subjects to denounce captialism and the USA, well again, America didnt invent slavery! Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions. It gave us a chance to give women rights and give our children a better quality of life. Capitalism also provided the entire world with more wealth from charity and economics than anything else. American Capitalism is imported as a way of doing business and working in many parts of the world. Look at Hong Kong, they are booming because they have accepted Capitalism. The USA is probably %60 Capitalism and %40 Socialism. Its the Socialism percentage that is driving up our debt! That will be the part that brings us down. You say you dont like Capitalism? Well point me to something better? Show me a specific example. We have given humans the best chance they have ever had with American Capitalism! AND its a socialist president and socialism that will bring us down!

    Capitalism is not the problem....Capitalists are! Humans will ruin anything! Its not the system....its the greed! However the system of socialism is a failure ultimately!

    Capitalism did NONE of that. In fact, capitalism tries to do the very opposite of that. At a time in US history in which Carnegie and Rockefeller etc. etc and on and on.....these men, these corporations opposed at every turn every single thing you have mentioned here.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    chadwick wrote:
    what the fuck is this thread on about? i am sorry but you sir are brainwashed... hugely. this is probably the most ridiculous thread on here. there was a thread once on the raccoon with one dozen boung holes. i believe this tops that exact thread.

    UH just read the content, and you might learn something. Even if the USA is the oldest current govt. or 3rd or 5th, it doesnt matter, the point is that you gotta give the USA some credit! You dont have to bash it every chance you get. Its ok to give it some props once in awhile!!

    Come on Chadwick, be fair and balanced. Your statement scores a zero with the judges!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    fear4freedom wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Do you have any evidence that there were 21 million in the past? And if there were, then does a drop of 0.001 million mean that the "American Experiement" has been a success?

    YOU MADE THE STATEMENT, back it up! Where is your evidence? You said that 21 million current day slaves outnumbers the totals from all of human history! PROVE IT!

    Its 27 million! Most are debt slaves, human child trafficking, in Asia and South America. Its sad
    Yep 27 million current slaves. I don't want to derail the thread, but since this was mentioned I think it should be noted that human trafficking is a huge issue in the US. People often focus on Asia and South America (which also involves a lot of Americans perpetrating this crime in other countries), but it happens right here. Atlantic City has a big problem with human trafficking, as I'm sure a lot of cities in the US do. It's hard to get an estimate in terms of numbers because of the nature of the crime. This doesn't result because of anyone needing to do the "hard labor of the world." No child needs to do the hard labor of being raped by a pedophile. Keeping people impoverished plays a large role, as does the belief that some people are more valuable or more deserving than others; the arrogance of treating others as property or "less than." As long as some believe they are inherently superior to others or quest to have power over them, horrors like this will always continue. Loving our country doesn't mean turning a blind eye to its history or its problems. There are horrible things that happen the world over, but they also happen right here in our backyard...attention and energy needs to be focused there as well.
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  • Zoso
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    Drowned Out wrote:
    I'm from Papua New Guinea

    (Why does it matter?)

    :lol: didn't know you were so close to my home country...
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

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