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  • It never ceases to amaze me how some people's belief systems influence their thought patterns. It's really dangerous to simply adhere to indoctrinated beliefs and annoint them the ultimate beliefs. One must be open to change if change is warranted.

    The change I speak of only comes from reflecting on one's values and belief set... and then measuring these by analysis of alternative and conflicting beliefs and values. One cannot ignore overwhelming statistics, the works of exceptional scholars, the study of history and/or mathematics that serve as disproof for one's beliefs.

    Failure to apply critical thinking to all facets of life leads to biased and sometimes destructive attitudes that are counterproductive to the progress of humanity.

    A democracy is bound to fail when members within it do not engage in critical thought thought. A democracy only works best when all members of it fulfill their responsibility within it and become educated and knowledgeable regarding the neverending issues affect their country. You can't 'play' democracy... you have to 'act' democracy. If your opinion and your vote means something... then you are responsible for engaging in critical thought and testing your belief system.

    When many do not... the country they belong to truly needs a wise and fair King- not a bunch of misinformed and stubborn people- to make the appropriate decisions.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    - Albert Einstein
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:
    what the fuck is this thread on about? i am sorry but you sir are brainwashed... hugely. this is probably the most ridiculous thread on here. there was a thread once on the raccoon with one dozen boung holes. i believe this tops that exact thread.

    UH just read the content, and you might learn something. Even if the USA is the oldest current govt. or 3rd or 5th, it doesnt matter, the point is that you gotta give the USA some credit! You dont have to bash it every chance you get. Its ok to give it some props once in awhile!!

    Come on Chadwick, be fair and balanced. Your statement scores a zero with the judges!
    i love & at the same time dislike my country of birth. i am free yet in prison. if i smoke a green flower i am a bad man and go to a jail cell with other criminals. some may be rapists, some may be like me, a smoker of a plant. i can own guns. i can shoot beer cans. i can shoot elephant, rhinoceros, giraffe, & other exotics when traveling to africa or save that money & travel shorter distance to texas shot em up ranch & smoke exotic cats & deers, mount the bastards on my friggin walls, jerk my nerman & call it a day.

    still i light up s spliff & your fantastic lawmen of united states come arrest my fat ass for green smoking or eating green brownies with my grandmother gertrude.

    american is a crock of heavy duty bullshit. we are not blessed by jesus h. christ, god or any other superior higher up godly figure walking on water selling tamoles & homemade leather sandales.

    america helps just enough of the poor nations to be in good standings. we will fights our asses off for oil & more oil & oil & oil & oil. america is one crooked ass country. we do business chicago street thug style. if you trust your people in D.C. you sir are out of your fucking mind. corruption has tainted this land for a long as it has been founded.

    you want a true united states of america? give it back to the native american indians. this goes for mexico, central & south america as well.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • It never ceases to amaze me how some people's belief systems influence their thought patterns. It's really dangerous to simply adhere to indoctrinated beliefs and annoint them the ultimate beliefs. One must be open to change if change is warranted.

    The change I speak of only comes from reflecting on one's values and belief set... and then measuring these by analysis of alternative and conflicting beliefs and values. One cannot ignore overwhelming statistics, the works of exceptional scholars, the study of history and/or mathematics that serve as disproof for one's beliefs.

    Failure to apply critical thinking to all facets of life leads to biased and sometimes destructive attitudes that are counterproductive to the progress of humanity.

    A democracy is bound to fail when members within it do not engage in critical thought thought. A democracy only works best when all members of it fulfill their responsibility within it and become educated and knowledgeable regarding the neverending issues affect their country. You can't 'play' democracy... you have to 'act' democracy. If your opinion and your vote means something... then you are responsible for engaging in critical thought and testing your belief system.

    When many do not... the country they belong to truly needs a wise and fair King- not a bunch of misinformed and stubborn people- to make the appropriate decisions.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    - Albert Einstein

    I see the people who are mis-informed here, becoming the entitlement class and the "sheeple" of this nation. They are the followers and the media owns them! They will vote for people who promise them things, not the ones who will take those things away. If you want America to get her books balanced, then you must tell the "takers" to accept less things! We must empower the "makers" to generate more wealth with less regulations! Its that simple!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    It never ceases to amaze me how some people's belief systems influence their thought patterns. It's really dangerous to simply adhere to indoctrinated beliefs and annoint them the ultimate beliefs. One must be open to change if change is warranted.

    The change I speak of only comes from reflecting on one's values and belief set... and then measuring these by analysis of alternative and conflicting beliefs and values. One cannot ignore overwhelming statistics, the works of exceptional scholars, the study of history and/or mathematics that serve as disproof for one's beliefs.

    Failure to apply critical thinking to all facets of life leads to biased and sometimes destructive attitudes that are counterproductive to the progress of humanity.

    A democracy is bound to fail when members within it do not engage in critical thought thought. A democracy only works best when all members of it fulfill their responsibility within it and become educated and knowledgeable regarding the neverending issues affect their country. You can't 'play' democracy... you have to 'act' democracy. If your opinion and your vote means something... then you are responsible for engaging in critical thought and testing your belief system.

    When many do not... the country they belong to truly needs a wise and fair King- not a bunch of misinformed and stubborn people- to make the appropriate decisions.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    - Albert Einstein

    I see the people who are mis-informed here, becoming the entitlement class and the "sheeple" of this nation. They are the followers and the media owns them! They will vote for people who promise them things, not the ones who will take those things away. If you want America to get her books balanced, then you must tell the "takers" to accept less things! We must empower the "makers" to generate more wealth with less regulations! Its that simple!

    is it as simple as going to tell a VERY poor person (i mean unable to eat without help from the govt) that they can't eat today because they have to take less from now on?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    the point is that you gotta give the USA some credit! You dont have to bash it every chance you get.

    Personally, I have plenty of good things to say about the U.S.A, but none of them have anything to do with your government, or your history of plunder, pillage, and destruction.

    You say you're a Christian? Then why would you defend modern-day robber-barons, and war-mongers?

    Despite you being American, I don't think you have the slightest clue about the positives your country has given to the World.

    I mean, one minute you're cheering Norman fucking Schwarzkopf, guns, and the death penalty, and the next you're admonishing people for not giving the USA 'some credit'. To be perfectly honest, I think you're the last person who should be pretending to represent America.
  • It never ceases to amaze me how some people's belief systems influence their thought patterns. It's really dangerous to simply adhere to indoctrinated beliefs and annoint them the ultimate beliefs. One must be open to change if change is warranted.

    The change I speak of only comes from reflecting on one's values and belief set... and then measuring these by analysis of alternative and conflicting beliefs and values. One cannot ignore overwhelming statistics, the works of exceptional scholars, the study of history and/or mathematics that serve as disproof for one's beliefs.

    Failure to apply critical thinking to all facets of life leads to biased and sometimes destructive attitudes that are counterproductive to the progress of humanity.

    A democracy is bound to fail when members within it do not engage in critical thought thought. A democracy only works best when all members of it fulfill their responsibility within it and become educated and knowledgeable regarding the neverending issues affect their country. You can't 'play' democracy... you have to 'act' democracy. If your opinion and your vote means something... then you are responsible for engaging in critical thought and testing your belief system.

    When many do not... the country they belong to truly needs a wise and fair King- not a bunch of misinformed and stubborn people- to make the appropriate decisions.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    - Albert Einstein
    Very well said. If you love something, you care for it in every sense...even when it's difficult. You objectively look at the problems and explore what needs to be done to correct those problems. I liken it to a parent who has a child who gets straight As, but has behavioral problems and is getting into trouble; the parent can turn a blind eye and have a "not my child attitude" or they can look deeply at the routes of the problems and think critically about what needs to be done to correct them.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    chadwick wrote:
    i love & at the same time dislike my country of birth. i am free yet in prison. if i smoke a green flower i am a bad man and go to a jail cell with other criminals. some may be rapists, some may be like me, a smoker of a plant. i can own guns. i can shoot beer cans. i can shoot elephant, rhinoceros, giraffe, & other exotics when traveling to africa or save that money & travel shorter distance to texas shot em up ranch & smoke exotic cats & deers, mount the bastards on my friggin walls, jerk my nerman & call it a day.

    still i light up s spliff & your fantastic lawmen of united states come arrest my fat ass for green smoking or eating green brownies with my grandmother gertrude.

    american is a crock of heavy duty bullshit. we are not blessed by jesus h. christ, god or any other superior higher up godly figure walking on water selling tamoles & homemade leather sandales.

    america helps just enough of the poor nations to be in good standings. we will fights our asses off for oil & more oil & oil & oil & oil. america is one crooked ass country. we do business chicago street thug style. if you trust your people in D.C. you sir are out of your fucking mind. corruption has tainted this land for a long as it has been founded.

    you want a true united states of america? give it back to the native american indians. this goes for mexico, central & south america as well.

    A-men! :clap:
  • chadwick wrote:


    i love & at the same time dislike my country of birth. i am free yet in prison. if i smoke a green flower i am a bad man and go to a jail cell with other criminals. some may be rapists, some may be like me, a smoker of a plant. i can own guns. i can shoot beer cans. i can shoot elephant, rhinoceros, giraffe, & other exotics when traveling to africa or save that money & travel shorter distance to texas shot em up ranch & smoke exotic cats & deers, mount the bastards on my friggin walls, jerk my nerman & call it a day.

    still i light up s spliff & your fantastic lawmen of united states come arrest my fat ass for green smoking or eating green brownies with my grandmother gertrude.

    american is a crock of heavy duty bullshit. we are not blessed by jesus h. christ, god or any other superior higher up godly figure walking on water selling tamoles & homemade leather sandales.

    america helps just enough of the poor nations to be in good standings. we will fights our asses off for oil & more oil & oil & oil & oil. america is one crooked ass country. we do business chicago street thug style. if you trust your people in D.C. you sir are out of your fucking mind. corruption has tainted this land for a long as it has been founded.

    you want a true united states of america? give it back to the native american indians. this goes for mexico, central & south america as well.
    i cant hide it....i fuckin like you

    chadwick for fuckin president....
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  • Zoso wrote:
    It never ceases to amaze me how some people's belief systems influence their thought patterns. It's really dangerous to simply adhere to indoctrinated beliefs and annoint them the ultimate beliefs. One must be open to change if change is warranted.

    The change I speak of only comes from reflecting on one's values and belief set... and then measuring these by analysis of alternative and conflicting beliefs and values. One cannot ignore overwhelming statistics, the works of exceptional scholars, the study of history and/or mathematics that serve as disproof for one's beliefs.

    Failure to apply critical thinking to all facets of life leads to biased and sometimes destructive attitudes that are counterproductive to the progress of humanity.

    A democracy is bound to fail when members within it do not engage in critical thought thought. A democracy only works best when all members of it fulfill their responsibility within it and become educated and knowledgeable regarding the neverending issues affect their country. You can't 'play' democracy... you have to 'act' democracy. If your opinion and your vote means something... then you are responsible for engaging in critical thought and testing your belief system.

    When many do not... the country they belong to truly needs a wise and fair King- not a bunch of misinformed and stubborn people- to make the appropriate decisions.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    - Albert Einstein

    I see the people who are mis-informed here, becoming the entitlement class and the "sheeple" of this nation. They are the followers and the media owns them! They will vote for people who promise them things, not the ones who will take those things away. If you want America to get her books balanced, then you must tell the "takers" to accept less things! We must empower the "makers" to generate more wealth with less regulations! Its that simple!

    is it as simple as going to tell a VERY poor person (i mean unable to eat without help from the govt) that they can't eat today because they have to take less from now on?

    Come on Zoso, Im referring to 99 weeks of unemployment! 99 weeks? are you kiddin me? Im talking about the cheaters who take as much welfare as they can get and spend the food stamps on beer and drugs. Im talking about the cheaters, mockers and takers who abuse the system. Im talking about those who take Social Security and then use 1/3 of it to play the lottery, buy alcohol and drugs, buy stereos and tv's with it.
    They are not charitable in the sense that they spend more on themselves gratification than giving to charities! I see it! So you are dividing here.....and your statement derails us from the subject!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • chadwick wrote:


    i love & at the same time dislike my country of birth. i am free yet in prison. if i smoke a green flower i am a bad man and go to a jail cell with other criminals. some may be rapists, some may be like me, a smoker of a plant. i can own guns. i can shoot beer cans. i can shoot elephant, rhinoceros, giraffe, & other exotics when traveling to africa or save that money & travel shorter distance to texas shot em up ranch & smoke exotic cats & deers, mount the bastards on my friggin walls, jerk my nerman & call it a day.

    still i light up s spliff & your fantastic lawmen of united states come arrest my fat ass for green smoking or eating green brownies with my grandmother gertrude.

    american is a crock of heavy duty bullshit. we are not blessed by jesus h. christ, god or any other superior higher up godly figure walking on water selling tamoles & homemade leather sandales.

    america helps just enough of the poor nations to be in good standings. we will fights our asses off for oil & more oil & oil & oil & oil. america is one crooked ass country. we do business chicago street thug style. if you trust your people in D.C. you sir are out of your fucking mind. corruption has tainted this land for a long as it has been founded.

    you want a true united states of america? give it back to the native american indians. this goes for mexico, central & south america as well.
    i cant hide it....i fuckin like you

    chadwick for fuckin president....

    Ever ask yourself why USA would spend 3 trillion dollars for Iraqs oil that is worth much less! Where is that oil that you speak of? Im pretty sure we didnt steal it as most of your collegues have suggested!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • I know most of you hate me here but I will stand on the fact that if all the world did what you suggest, USA give back the land to the Natives, then 1/2 of the world would have to retreat back to where it came from!

    Yea Im sure Canada, Austrailia, USA, would be able to do that.....so we can be "real" in Chadwicks eyes!

    YESSSSS lets be real and give it back!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    thank you, Byrnzie & Dimitris. you guys rock

    yes it has been said more than 4,006 times on here... "chadwick for president" this is a huge undertaking & one i could do & do well. first & foremost... set your balls on a nice big wooden desk & accept crown yourself the shit.

    feed poor. clothe poor. educate all. no wars. shut down assholes... all assholes, near & far. praise women, near & far. dance & party w/ all people especially women. women need servicing. this is a man's task in life, service women. a man should be wearing vagina necklace.

    if man or woman is of the love same gender... so be it. they are equals. they get insurance. they get paid well. they do not get hurt feelings. they are rewarded as anyone else. they are a human being.

    shoot a elephant, bear, wolf or any exotic creature... expect to be placed into deep shit...literally

    yes i like chadwick for president. i'd never wear a suit. i'd show up for business in my levis or my carhartt bibs & sweatshirt & smokin a lot of green weed

    by the way... i haven't smoked a single puff of grass in over 4 months. why? because in order to acquire my pain meds percocet & methadone i have to pass their urine tests looking for things like thc & whatnot. so i been jailed yet again in this freedom sings country. can you believe it? i could drink if i wanted to, i don't though. but i cannot under any circumstance indulge in marijuana useage because big business health care & pharmaceuticals own my frickin ass...currently. yes i am a prisoner in what is supposedly the freest country on the face of the planet.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    Zoso wrote:
    ues and belief set... and then measuring these by analysis of alternative and conflicting beliefs and values. One cannot ignore overwhelming statistics, the works of exceptional scholars, the study of history and/or mathematics that serve as disproof for one's beliefs.

    Failure to apply critical thinking to all facets of life leads to biased and sometimes destructive attitudes that are counterproductive to the progress of humanity.

    A democracy is bound to fail when members within it do not engage in critical thought thought. A democracy only works best when all members of it fulfill their responsibility within it and become educated and knowledgeable regarding the neverending issues affect their country. You can't 'play' democracy... you have to 'act' democracy. If your opinion and your vote means something... then you are responsible for engaging in critical thought and testing your belief system.

    When many do not... the country they belong to truly needs a wise and fair King- not a bunch of misinformed and stubborn people- to make the appropriate decisions.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


    is it as simple as going to tell a VERY poor person (i mean unable to eat without help from the govt) that they can't eat today because they have to take less from now on?

    Come on Zoso, Im referring to 99 weeks of unemployment! 99 weeks? are you kidding me? Im talking about the cheaters who take as much welfare as they can get and spend the food stamps on beer and drugs. Im talking about the cheaters, mockers and takers who abuse the system. Im talking about those who take Social Security and then use 1/3 of it to play the lottery, buy alcohol and drugs, buy stereos and tv's with it.
    They are not charitable in the sense that they spend more on themselves gratification than giving to charities! I see it! So you are dividing here.....and your statement derails us from the subject!
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    F4F.. the welfare system does more to help the needy then you give credit for... their are more needy people out their that genuinely need the assistance then people who you taking advantage of the system. Doesn't that make it a success? I'm not excusing those who take advantage but welfare is necessary when it's a pretty much a success or failure world.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • I know most of you hate me here but I will stand on the fact that if all the world did what you suggest, USA give back the land to the Natives, then 1/2 of the world would have to retreat back to where it came from!

    Yea Im sure Canada, Austrailia, USA, would be able to do that.....so we can be "real" in Chadwicks eyes!

    YESSSSS lets be real and give it back!

    I don't think anyone hates you. I think some of your ideas need a bit of work and these ideas that you present... well, people have little tolerance for.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • I know most of you hate me here but I will stand on the fact that if all the world did what you suggest, USA give back the land to the Natives, then 1/2 of the world would have to retreat back to where it came from!

    Yea Im sure Canada, Austrailia, USA, would be able to do that.....so we can be "real" in Chadwicks eyes!

    YESSSSS lets be real and give it back!
    hate you?no way..
    i dont like the way you think about some things
    i found them dangerous for society..
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    no one hates you. hell i barelly know you. i believe you change names often, yes? or maybe you change avatar four times weekly?

    hate? i hate no one except pedophile, nazis, & the like as rapists dog shit cork suckers

    hate you? that's a stretch, sir

    stop grabbing straws & get your shit together. man the fuck up, tighten your boot strings & whatnot.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick wrote:
    a man should be wearing vagina necklace.

    you have an incredible way with words, chad. :lol:
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  • chadwick wrote:
    a man should be wearing vagina necklace.

    you have an incredible way with words, chad. :lol:
    +1 :lol::lol::lol:
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Im gonna take a break from the praises for all you guys for awhile! Thanks for reading my posts and I just hope you take a second and think about the good of America before judging in a negative way while jumping to conclusions. Other nations are so good either. We are all a work in progress.

    Im off to the Lounge Car!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    chadwick wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    what the fuck is this thread on about? i am sorry but you sir are brainwashed... hugely. this is probably the most ridiculous thread on here. there was a thread once on the raccoon with one dozen boung holes. i believe this tops that exact thread.

    UH just read the content, and you might learn something. Even if the USA is the oldest current govt. or 3rd or 5th, it doesnt matter, the point is that you gotta give the USA some credit! You dont have to bash it every chance you get. Its ok to give it some props once in awhile!!

    Come on Chadwick, be fair and balanced. Your statement scores a zero with the judges!
    i love & at the same time dislike my country of birth. i am free yet in prison. if i smoke a green flower i am a bad man and go to a jail cell with other criminals. some may be rapists, some may be like me, a smoker of a plant. i can own guns. i can shoot beer cans. i can shoot elephant, rhinoceros, giraffe, & other exotics when traveling to africa or save that money & travel shorter distance to texas shot em up ranch & smoke exotic cats & deers, mount the bastards on my friggin walls, jerk my nerman & call it a day.

    still i light up s spliff & your fantastic lawmen of united states come arrest my fat ass for green smoking or eating green brownies with my grandmother gertrude.

    american is a crock of heavy duty bullshit. we are not blessed by jesus h. christ, god or any other superior higher up godly figure walking on water selling tamoles & homemade leather sandales.

    america helps just enough of the poor nations to be in good standings. we will fights our asses off for oil & more oil & oil & oil & oil. america is one crooked ass country. we do business chicago street thug style. if you trust your people in D.C. you sir are out of your fucking mind. corruption has tainted this land for a long as it has been founded.

    you want a true united states of america? give it back to the native american indians. this goes for mexico, central & south america as well.

    Chad, I'll puff a spliff with you ANYDAY! Well said my friend..... :clap: :thumbup:
  • Zoso wrote:

    I see the people who are mis-informed here, becoming the entitlement class and the "sheeple" of this nation. They are the followers and the media owns them! They will vote for people who promise them things, not the ones who will take those things away. If you want America to get her books balanced, then you must tell the "takers" to accept less things! We must empower the "makers" to generate more wealth with less regulations! Its that simple!

    is it as simple as going to tell a VERY poor person (i mean unable to eat without help from the govt) that they can't eat today because they have to take less from now on?

    Come on Zoso, Im referring to 99 weeks of unemployment! 99 weeks? are you kiddin me? Im talking about the cheaters who take as much welfare as they can get and spend the food stamps on beer and drugs. Im talking about the cheaters, mockers and takers who abuse the system. Im talking about those who take Social Security and then use 1/3 of it to play the lottery, buy alcohol and drugs, buy stereos and tv's with it.
    They are not charitable in the sense that they spend more on themselves gratification than giving to charities! I see it! So you are dividing here.....and your statement derails us from the subject!
    There are people that misuse the system. There are. Plain and simple. I have people who want me to sign off on their disability papers when they absolutely can work (I refuse), there are people who will take the full 99 weeks of unemployment while working under the table, and there are people that will work the system in a variety of ways. I think it's important to look at why that is so. I think there is an entire culture that plays into that (and not just a sense of entitlement as we hear repeatedly). However, in my experience, the large majority of people do not want to use the system even when they most need to. Largely this is shame-based, but also because people feel good when they are able to self-actualize and work and accomplish things. It feels awesome. But there will always be people, through no fault of their own, who will not be able to do so. This may be because of a physical or mental disability, or just never being given a fair chance for a variety of reasons. There has to be a balance between preventing (as much as possible) people from abusing the system, as well as supporting people who just weren't lucky enough to be born with the same abilities and opportunities. IMO we should empower people who can do for themselves, and support those who need the support.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Capitalism gave us a chance to minimize slavery and bad work conditions.

    !
    Democracy made that and not Capitalism..and USA wasnt the one invent Democracy ..

    DUDE America has the oldest current form of govt. in the world! Most of the world has modeled their new democracy after ours! France has had 17 new forms of govt in the past 250 years! Get your facts straight and understand that most of the world is using our belief system now in many ways. China is slowly accepting Capitalism! Russia wont cause they dont make things! They just have energy resources.

    America is the newest big nation and has the oldest govt. running democracy. That says alot!
    It says that we are exceptional! We just need to balance our budget and promote ethical Capitalism!

    ethical capitalism??? as if such a thing exists... or can exist. :roll: :lol::lol::lol:
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  • DUDE America has the oldest current form of govt. in the world! Most of the world has modeled their new democracy after ours! France has had 17 new forms of govt in the past 250 years! Get your facts straight and understand that most of the world is using our belief system now in many ways. China is slowly accepting Capitalism! Russia wont cause they dont make things! They just have energy resources.

    America is the newest big nation and has the oldest govt. running democracy. That says alot!
    It says that we are exceptional! We just need to balance our budget and promote ethical Capitalism![/quote]

    ethical capitalism??? as if such a thing exists... or can exist. :roll: :lol::lol::lol:[/quote]

    SEE! Thats your problem right there! How can you say that if I earn a right to open my own business, take risks and hire people all while giving myself back to others, HOW CAN YOU SAY THATS NOT GOOD? HOW?
    You mean you live in a world where %100 of everything is evil and fake? You must want to jump off a bridge all day long! How can you live with yourself! Do you think Pearl Jam is evil? Cause they made money ethically ! How about all the GOOD people out there? Your world must be very dark!
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  • otterotter Posts: 760
    It amazes me that christians can judge a muslim claiming divinity as justification for policy to be a religious extremist (or an Arab muslim doing so, to be a terrorist), yet not see the irony in claiming their country is 'blessed by god', or 'exceptional'....Claiming to 'understand your role and be grateful', as god's will, is a way to wash the blood from your hands without lookin any deeper into the policy. A way of selling war to lazy thinkers. So much for separation of church and state.

    American exceptionalism has been an over-arching theme used to justify nearly every military conflict the US has been engaged in for two centuries. Judging by the way you make the US out to be the 'shining city on the hill', you see your country as benevolent in it's foreign policy....which means you are either ignorant to, or purposefully neglecting to mention the benefits reaped by exceptionalist/imperialist policies. You are either ignorant to, or purposefully neglecting to mention your country's role in creating or exasperating weakness and poverty. And this ulterior motive, this hidden agenda applies not only to military funding and actions, but also to most conditional 'aid' packages....and to many western charities and missions, which operate with political intent designed to benefit western powers and their corporate overlords.............

    Yes the US has done a lot of good in the world. But as a matter of national policy, it's pretty fuckin rare....in general, which weak and poor peoples are 'defended' is determined by benefit, not compassion.

    The US policy changes all the time. The current policy under Obama (Commander in Chief) is completely different than any other policy in American history, except maybe Carter. Imperialist? Get real.

    The US has done most of the good in the world. Currently it is all conversation, Obama has done absolutely nada. You will probably dismiss this but if it weren't for the US then Germany would have won the 2nd World War and all our lives would be completely different. If it weren't for the US the Soviet Union would have swept through Europe and all our lives would be completely different. The fact is the founders of this country put together a system that makes the world a better place for us humans. I don't want to live under tyranny and neither do you.
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  • otter wrote:
    It amazes me that christians can judge a muslim claiming divinity as justification for policy to be a religious extremist (or an Arab muslim doing so, to be a terrorist), yet not see the irony in claiming their country is 'blessed by god', or 'exceptional'....Claiming to 'understand your role and be grateful', as god's will, is a way to wash the blood from your hands without lookin any deeper into the policy. A way of selling war to lazy thinkers. So much for separation of church and state.

    American exceptionalism has been an over-arching theme used to justify nearly every military conflict the US has been engaged in for two centuries. Judging by the way you make the US out to be the 'shining city on the hill', you see your country as benevolent in it's foreign policy....which means you are either ignorant to, or purposefully neglecting to mention the benefits reaped by exceptionalist/imperialist policies. You are either ignorant to, or purposefully neglecting to mention your country's role in creating or exasperating weakness and poverty. And this ulterior motive, this hidden agenda applies not only to military funding and actions, but also to most conditional 'aid' packages....and to many western charities and missions, which operate with political intent designed to benefit western powers and their corporate overlords.............

    Yes the US has done a lot of good in the world. But as a matter of national policy, it's pretty fuckin rare....in general, which weak and poor peoples are 'defended' is determined by benefit, not compassion.

    The US policy changes all the time. The current policy under Obama (Commander in Chief) is completely different than any other policy in American history, except maybe Carter. Imperialist? Get real.

    The US has done most of the good in the world. Currently it is all conversation, Obama has done absolutely nada. You will probably dismiss this but if it weren't for the US then Germany would have won the 2nd World War and all our lives would be completely different. If it weren't for the US the Soviet Union would have swept through Europe and all our lives would be completely different. The fact is the founders of this country put together a system that makes the world a better place for us humans. I don't want to live under tyranny and neither do you.

    OTTER Where have you been? Where is the LIKE BUTTON? AMEN!
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  • otter wrote:

    The US policy changes all the time. The current policy under Obama (Commander in Chief) is completely different than any other policy in American history, except maybe Carter. Imperialist? Get real.

    The US has done most of the good in the world. Currently it is all conversation, Obama has done absolutely nada. You will probably dismiss this but if it weren't for the US then Germany would have won the 2nd World War and all our lives would be completely different. If it weren't for the US the Soviet Union would have swept through Europe and all our lives would be completely different. The fact is the founders of this country put together a system that makes the world a better place for us humans. I don't want to live under tyranny and neither do you.

    if it weren't for the US, millions of Iraqi civilians would still be alive and their lives would be completely different.
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  • otterotter Posts: 760
    otter wrote:

    The US policy changes all the time. The current policy under Obama (Commander in Chief) is completely different than any other policy in American history, except maybe Carter. Imperialist? Get real.

    The US has done most of the good in the world. Currently it is all conversation, Obama has done absolutely nada. You will probably dismiss this but if it weren't for the US then Germany would have won the 2nd World War and all our lives would be completely different. If it weren't for the US the Soviet Union would have swept through Europe and all our lives would be completely different. The fact is the founders of this country put together a system that makes the world a better place for us humans. I don't want to live under tyranny and neither do you.

    if it weren't for the US, millions of Iraqi civilians would still be alive and their lives would be completely different.

    Or they would be dead. Killed by the asshole that the US military took out. And the living's lives would be completely different; oppressed under a tyrannical dictator instead of having the opportunity to choose for themselves.

    There would be no western civilization if it weren't for the US; it would have been snuffed out a long time ago. The only chance this world has is if the Arabs embrace this civilization. And they do, it is the dickheads in power who embrace the uncivilized culture of Islam.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    otter wrote:

    The US policy changes all the time. The current policy under Obama (Commander in Chief) is completely different than any other policy in American history, except maybe Carter.
    It tweaks all the time....the overall policy has been expansionist for centuries. That's capitalism by nature, right?
    What is so different about Obama's policy? Bush captured 'terrorists' (resistance fighters?) and shipped them all over the world to torture them. Obama kills them by remote control. Different? sure....any less imperialist? um, no.
    What was so different about Carter? His support for Suharto (Indonesia), Somoza (Nicaragua), Chun (South Korea) and other mass murderers was based solely on economic and strategic benefit to the US military/corporate empire....the guy is practically a founding father of al qaeda ffs.

    otter wrote:
    Imperialist? Get real.
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    This map is five+ years old, but it shows 63 countries with US/NATO military bases. We can add several more since then. In 2013, the US will deploy troops to 35+ African countries. That's pretty fuckin real, yo.

    otter wrote:
    The US has done most of the good in the world. Currently it is all conversation, Obama has done absolutely nada. You will probably dismiss this but if it weren't for the US then Germany would have won the 2nd World War and all our lives would be completely different. If it weren't for the US the Soviet Union would have swept through Europe and all our lives would be completely different. The fact is the founders of this country put together a system that makes the world a better place for us humans. I don't want to live under tyranny and neither do you.


    Yes, I will dismiss the italicized sentence, because it's simply not true. I'd like to hear your version tho, because I know it's a pretty commonly held belief in your country, and this is another opportunity to dispell the myth. Please try not to use the words 'atomic bombs', or you're already wrong. And again....where was the US for the first half of the war? Were it's aims in joining the war benevolent, self defense, or profit? You can argue the two latter points, but the fact that the US stood on the sidelines for years (of course while funding both sides), kinda makes the former hard to justify.
    As for the USSR taking over Europe if not for the US....you pretend there would be a vacuumif the US didn't exist in it's current form, and that the US had no interest in the cold war, other than helping the poor Europeans stave off the hungry russian bear...

    The major disconnect here is that a person such as yourself who has bought into american exceptionalism cannot see empire, because you believe the US is spreading democracy and liberty. But you are willing to outright dismiss proof that every US president has supported dictators and funded 'terrorists', in line with economic and military goals. How can you say you are spreading democracy while backing dictators?

    Making blinkered, absolute statements like "the US makes the world a better place" tells me you prob didn't even gag on the sinker.....you could say that is true, or not true, about any country.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    otter wrote:
    otter wrote:

    The US policy changes all the time. The current policy under Obama (Commander in Chief) is completely different than any other policy in American history, except maybe Carter. Imperialist? Get real.

    The US has done most of the good in the world. Currently it is all conversation, Obama has done absolutely nada. You will probably dismiss this but if it weren't for the US then Germany would have won the 2nd World War and all our lives would be completely different. If it weren't for the US the Soviet Union would have swept through Europe and all our lives would be completely different. The fact is the founders of this country put together a system that makes the world a better place for us humans. I don't want to live under tyranny and neither do you.

    if it weren't for the US, millions of Iraqi civilians would still be alive and their lives would be completely different.

    Or they would be dead. Killed by the asshole that the US military took out. And the living's lives would be completely different; oppressed under a tyrannical dictator instead of having the opportunity to choose for themselves.

    There would be no western civilization if it weren't for the US; it would have been snuffed out a long time ago. The only chance this world has is if the Arabs embrace this civilization. And they do, it is the dickheads in power who embrace the uncivilized culture of Islam.
    oh I see now....your exceptionalism is a mask for racism. nevermind, then!
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