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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    The weak, poor and sick people of the world have hope that we are fighting for them on many different levels.

    No they don't. The U.S is the biggest cause of all the weak, poor, and sick people in the World. You've been crippling the 'Third World' with your economic terrorism for decades.



    Oh, and in case you forgot, the U.S was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans. How does that fit into your quaint little scheme of things? Did God and Jesus authorize that particular round of slaughter, rape, and pillage?

    The Piligrims in particular came with 100 people on 3 little boats. They brought their families, wives and children. They didnt come here to rape and pillage! There were many other ethnicities whom came later. Many different people came here....and they werent all bad people! You just love to tear down America's founders and founding dont you?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited December 2012
    fear4freedom wrote:
    The Piligrims in particular came with 100 people on 3 little boats. They brought their families, wives and children.

    How beautiful. I could almost hear Church organ music when I read that.

    fear4freedom wrote:
    They didnt come here to rape and pillage! There were many other ethnicities whom came later. Many different people came here....and they werent all bad people! You just love to tear down America's founders and founding dont you?

    So now you're going to pretend that the genocide committed against the Native population was carried out by 'other ethnicities'? Was the U.S 7th Cavalry populated by 'other ethnicites'?

    Wow! Please elaborate.
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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    kenny olav wrote:
    If the USA was created by God with the purpose to spread individual liberty to all mankind, then it's very ironic that God picked a bunch of slaveholders to start this country off... don't ya think?

    Slavery existed for thousands of years bud! America didnt invent it! Actually God gave humans a chance to defeat slavery through "The American Experiement"
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    The Piligrims in particular came with 100 people on 3 little boats. They brought their families, wives and children.

    How beautiful. I could almost hear Church organ music when I read that.

    fear4freedom wrote:
    They didnt come here to rape and pillage! There were many other ethnicities whom came later. Many different people came here....and they werent all bad people! You just love to tear down America's founders and founding dont you?

    So now you're going to pretend that the genocide committed against the Native population was carried out by 'other ethnicities'?

    Wow! Please elaborate.

    The Pilgrims did not come here to rape and pillage! Also, God blessed this great nation after the Constitutional Convention! God didnt bless the land before that, he blessed this nation after its founding of structure of a nation!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    The Natives were invited and attended the first Thanksgiving! Pilgrims and Indians had many great moments early on! Its when the bad "white people" came that the bad things happened over 100 years of time. ! Got it guys?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fear4freedom wrote:
    The Pilgrims did not come here to rape and pillage! Also, God blessed this great nation after the Constitutional Convention! God didnt bless the land before that, he blessed this nation after its founding of structure of a nation!

    Did he? I must have missed that. What time, and what date did God Bless America? Can I find that in a book? Is it online? Is it on Youtube?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fear4freedom wrote:
    The Natives were invited and attended the first Thanksgiving! Pilgrims and Indians had many great moments early on! Its when the bad "white people" came that the bad things happened over 100 years of time. ! Got it guys?

    Errm...no, I'm still confused. So all the pilgrims were 'good people', and later on some 'bad people' came? Who were these 'bad people'? And what happened to them? Was Custer a 'good person', or a 'bad person'?

    Was Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf a 'good person', or a 'bad person'? I seem to remember him ordering the bombing of the retreating Iraqi convoy on the road to Basra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death where up to 10,000 Iraqi's were slaughtered. They were retreating from Kuwait in compliance with a U.N Resolution, and the convoy included women and children family members of pro-Iraqi PLO militants and Kuwaiti collaborators who had fled shortly before a wholesale Palestinian expulsion from Kuwait.
    Was that something that filled the hearts of God and Jesus with a cozy feeling of warmth and admiration?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Slavery existed for thousands of years bud! America didnt invent it! Actually God gave humans a chance to defeat slavery through "The American Experiement"

    Rape and murder have also existed for thousands of years. But I still don't think that makes them right.


    Oh, and by the way, 20.9 million people are currently living in conditions of slavery. More than at any time in history. So it doesn't look as though your "American Experiement" [sic] worked out too well.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I'll never forget when Clinton flew to Rwanada and delivered his 'apology speech' about how the western world failed them. It was a quick little speech and they never even shut the airplane down he flew in on.

    Right, and it's since been shown that Clinton et al were fully aware of the genocide occurring at the time, something that they denied.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/31/usa.rwanda
    President Bill Clinton's administration knew Rwanda was being engulfed by genocide in April 1994 but buried the information to justify its inaction, according to classified documents made available for the first time.

    Senior officials privately used the word genocide within 16 days of the start of the killings, but chose not to do so publicly because the president had already decided not to intervene.

    Intelligence reports obtained using the US Freedom of Information Act show the cabinet and almost certainly the president had been told of a planned "final solution to eliminate all Tutsis" before the slaughter reached its peak.
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Another book regarding the experience that was worth reading was, We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will Be Killed With Our Families by Philip Gourevitch.

    I have this book, but still haven't gotten around to reading it. I actually asked my Mum to fish it out of the garage and send it out to me just last week.
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Slavery existed for thousands of years bud! America didnt invent it! Actually God gave humans a chance to defeat slavery through "The American Experiement"

    Rape and murder have also existed for thousands of years. But I still don't think that makes them right.


    Oh, and by the way, 20.9 million people are currently living in conditions of slavery. More than at any time in history. So it doesn't look as though your "American Experiement" [sic] worked out too well.

    20.9 million current day slaves? Thats like less than %1! Thats a pretty good score if you ask me. :lol::lol:

    Also, I guarantee you are incorrect, cause there were more than 21 million in the past! The definition of a slave is someone who labors and works for free and in terrible conditions. That was all over the planet for thousands of years. Come on bud! Common Sense!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I'll never forget when Clinton flew to Rwanada and delivered his 'apology speech' about how the western world failed them. It was a quick little speech and they never even shut the airplane down he flew in on.

    Right, and it's since been shown that Clinton et al were fully aware of the genocide occurring at the time, something that they denied.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/31/usa.rwanda
    President Bill Clinton's administration knew Rwanda was being engulfed by genocide in April 1994 but buried the information to justify its inaction, according to classified documents made available for the first time.

    Senior officials privately used the word genocide within 16 days of the start of the killings, but chose not to do so publicly because the president had already decided not to intervene.

    Intelligence reports obtained using the US Freedom of Information Act show the cabinet and almost certainly the president had been told of a planned "final solution to eliminate all Tutsis" before the slaughter reached its peak.
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Another book regarding the experience that was worth reading was, We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will Be Killed With Our Families by Philip Gourevitch.

    I have this book, but still haven't gotten around to reading it. I actually asked my Mum to fish it out of the garage and send it out to me just last week.

    Damn Democrats!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Im asking all those who are from other countries what they think about this philosophy! Dont think of your country in particular, think of all the weak, poor nations here. If you are from the US, sit back and watch this thread for once! Dont sabatoge it! Also, if you dont believe in God, thats fine, read on anyways.

    I believe that God's intentions for all of mankind is for his children to have Individual Liberty and Freedom to pursue their own Individual Salvation and their own identity. We as the United States have formed a country that empowers the individuals and states to control and hold to account the central govt. The US is blessed by God to have the unique opportunity and responsibility to defend the weak and poor, promote Liberty and Freedom, stand for "The People" over any centralized power or govt. within that nation. We are to stand on these principles and values to help the people who are oppressed by their govt! The weak, poor and sick people of the world have hope that we are fighting for them on many different levels. We are blessed to have the capability to do what we do! We acknowledge that blessing and are thankful for having that unique responsibilty and opportunity. This is what I have learned and envision to be American Exceptionalism!

    Again, for all you haters out there....we are thankful and blessed for this opportunity, this is not us being "prideful"

    This is us understanding our role and being grateful for it!

    Your thoughts?


    heres what ive learnt about american exceptionalism...



    ... its bullshit. not to mention arrogance.. pure unadulterated human arrogance.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    catefrances wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Im asking all those who are from other countries what they think about this philosophy! Dont think of your country in particular, think of all the weak, poor nations here. If you are from the US, sit back and watch this thread for once! Dont sabatoge it! Also, if you dont believe in God, thats fine, read on anyways.

    I believe that God's intentions for all of mankind is for his children to have Individual Liberty and Freedom to pursue their own Individual Salvation and their own identity. We as the United States have formed a country that empowers the individuals and states to control and hold to account the central govt. The US is blessed by God to have the unique opportunity and responsibility to defend the weak and poor, promote Liberty and Freedom, stand for "The People" over any centralized power or govt. within that nation. We are to stand on these principles and values to help the people who are oppressed by their govt! The weak, poor and sick people of the world have hope that we are fighting for them on many different levels. We are blessed to have the capability to do what we do! We acknowledge that blessing and are thankful for having that unique responsibilty and opportunity. This is what I have learned and envision to be American Exceptionalism!

    Again, for all you haters out there....we are thankful and blessed for this opportunity, this is not us being "prideful"

    This is us understanding our role and being grateful for it!

    Your thoughts?


    heres what ive learnt about american exceptionalism...



    ... its bullshit. not to mention arrogance.. pure unadulterated human arrogance.

    What country do you call home?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    fear4freedom wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Im asking all those who are from other countries what they think about this philosophy! Dont think of your country in particular, think of all the weak, poor nations here. If you are from the US, sit back and watch this thread for once! Dont sabatoge it! Also, if you dont believe in God, thats fine, read on anyways.

    I believe that God's intentions for all of mankind is for his children to have Individual Liberty and Freedom to pursue their own Individual Salvation and their own identity. We as the United States have formed a country that empowers the individuals and states to control and hold to account the central govt. The US is blessed by God to have the unique opportunity and responsibility to defend the weak and poor, promote Liberty and Freedom, stand for "The People" over any centralized power or govt. within that nation. We are to stand on these principles and values to help the people who are oppressed by their govt! The weak, poor and sick people of the world have hope that we are fighting for them on many different levels. We are blessed to have the capability to do what we do! We acknowledge that blessing and are thankful for having that unique responsibilty and opportunity. This is what I have learned and envision to be American Exceptionalism!

    Again, for all you haters out there....we are thankful and blessed for this opportunity, this is not us being "prideful"

    This is us understanding our role and being grateful for it!

    Your thoughts?


    heres what ive learnt about american exceptionalism...



    ... its bullshit. not to mention arrogance.. pure unadulterated human arrogance.

    What country do you call home?

    relevance???
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Im am wondering what you have to say about Austrailia's founding??

    And tell me how you feel about Austrailia's exceptionalism
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Im am wondering what you have to say about Austrailia's founding??


    i have a lot to say about australias founding and none of its complimentary.. are you ready???
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    catefrances wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Im am wondering what you have to say about Austrailia's founding??


    i have a lot to say about australias founding and none of its complimentary.. are you ready???

    sure!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fear4freedom wrote:
    20.9 million current day slaves?...there were more than 21 million in the past!

    Do you have any evidence that there were 21 million in the past? And if there were, then does a drop of 0.001 million mean that the "American Experiement" has been a success?
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    20.9 million current day slaves?...there were more than 21 million in the past!

    Do you have any evidence that there were 21 million in the past? And if there were, then does a drop of 0.001 million mean that the "American Experiement" has been a success?

    YOU MADE THE STATEMENT, back it up! Where is your evidence? You said that 21 million current day slaves outnumbers the totals from all of human history! PROVE IT!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    20.9 million current day slaves?...there were more than 21 million in the past!

    Do you have any evidence that there were 21 million in the past? And if there were, then does a drop of 0.001 million mean that the "American Experiement" has been a success?

    YOU MADE THE STATEMENT, back it up! Where is your evidence? You said that 21 million current day slaves outnumbers the totals from all of human history! PROVE IT!

    Its 27 million! Most are debt slaves, human child trafficking, in Asia and South America. Its sad
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!

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