Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    Zoso wrote:

    4) ban the use of all semi automated weapons.. no point to have these unless you are either tony montana or rambo.

    and that's just a start

    I agree except for #4 because that'll NEVER fly in this country. Instead have a waiting period of 3 weeks to get whatever gun one MUST have.

    Peace

    but it NEEDS to fly. no one ever thought that gay marriage would fly. no one ever thought that women voting would fly. no one ever thought that racial integration would fly. I think it can.

    NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE needs an automatic weapon of ANY KIND. NO ONE.

    Yes i know it does but this the USA and gun lovers of America won't let it happen. they say this is the start of a slippery slope of taking away our guns. Your point is well taken and it would be lovely if this could come to fruition but unfortunately some major major tragedy would have to happen with an automatic weapon for this elimination to come to an end.

    peace
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    pandora wrote:
    Gosh what would you guys do without someone of the opposite opinion?
    like me, to then eventually insult when you have lost the debate... ;):lol:
    so many involved too I should be honored I guess.
    All the complaining you do about me well why not just ignore?

    Hey its obvious I am strong I can take it ...
    doesn't bother me... but you guys know that :D my moving train peeps :lol:
    I will always give my opinion and stick up for what I believe,

    and people have the right to protect their lives against bad guys,
    and no we don't need new laws enforce the ones we got!

    Pandora you have repeated enforce the laws that we currently have. Ok fine, I just last week looked up buying a 22 caliber smallbore rifle for target shooting at my local gun club. I'm doing so just to see if can shoot as well as I once did back 30 years on my school's rifleteam. All I needed was my credit or debit card...no background check, no waiting period, no registration etc and it'll be at my door in 6 days.

    I have 2 teens both 16 and they both have a debit cards they could make the very same order. Now if you had your 16 year old son or grandson he could also make the same order would you want him to have the same capability to order this rifle? I hope to order this from here in Florida...there's absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING to ENFORCE.

    What would you do with your son possibly wanting to make this rifle order?

    Peace
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    ....does anyone need a car that can go 190MPH? Those cars are legal right? WHo and why would you need that? :corn: :lol:

    you are right, no one does. I have often made the point that one major reason why I think the human race is completely retarded is that we have speed limits yet let people buy cars that go 200 km/h. It makes absolutely no sense. Cars should be able to go no faster than 100 km/h. If that.

    not to mention designing two way traffic on a highway. that's just asking for trouble. yes, the roads were designed in the days of horse and buggy. which makes it even more imperative that it be updated. just like the second ammendment.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    g under p wrote:

    Yes i know it does but this the USA and gun lovers of America won't let it happen. they say this is the start of a slippery slope of taking away our guns. Your point is well taken and it would be lovely if this could come to fruition but unfortunately some major major tragedy would have to happen with an automatic weapon for this elimination to come to an end.

    peace

    totally agree, and that's the saddest part of all.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    DS1119 wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    Sorry, the people that buy their guns legally and then go on rampages have ruined it for all of you. Tough shit.


    I guess everyone who drives drunk, impaired, speeds, runs red lights, texts while driving, talks on their cell phone, falls asleep at the wheel, fails to pay attention, etc. and kills and/or injures someone and who buys their cars legally and obtains their driver's licenses legally have ruined it for everyone as well right? :lol: Just using your logic. I guess five people killed in a speeding accident isn't as important or socially relevant to five people killed by some random wacko? It doesn't make good press or isn't highly debatable on TV when running for office. It's just not sexy. BTW...there will be CONSIDERABLY MORE people killed by autos tomorrow not only in numbers but percentage of population. But screw those people...I want my car....I'm not riding a bus! :lol: There will also be more people killed by noxious gases tomrrow in th US than by firearm...legal or illegal. Ban the cars and noxious gases!!!!! :lol:

    Do you seriously think there is no need for gun restrictions or are you playing devil's advocate?

    The amount of driving that occurs on a daily basis makes each automobile accident cosmically insignificant- not to mention that vehicles have an actual purpose in life other than killing things or shooting beer cans. They are pretty much necessary whereas guns, well, I would be so bold as to suggest they are nothing more than 'really cool toys' or worse for many.

    If we were to take the opposite extreme argument, then why aren't hand grenades, land mines, and nerve gas legal as well? There must be a line somewhere. The post you responded to said the current line gets crossed way too much for responsible society's liking. The time has come- it actually did quite a while ago. Canada recognized it. A country well-known for hunting and fishing accepted gun legislation knowing full well that it was the right thing to do. We haven't looked back at that day and cursed it. The government hasn't overrun us with tyranny. Invaders have not invaded us and left us powerless to defend ourselves. And, as a positive spinoff, accidental deaths and bloody mayhem (with exceptions of course) are not a very common occurence.

    Don't get me wrong... I think responsible gun ownership is a right; however, I think the current free-for-all is a recipe for disaster. And, we've seen this recipe come to fruition over and over again- and will continue to do so. I guess some just figure it's very likely not them or theirs that will end up in the crosshairs on those black moments and given this mentality... choose to gamble on 'liberty' instead of safeguarding their loved ones?
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    The world has always been a violent place...I doubt it's much different today than a 100 years ago or 500 hundred years ago...we just hear about it more because of the media.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    lukin2006 wrote:
    The world has always been a violent place...I doubt it's much different today than a 100 years ago or 500 hundred years ago...we just hear about it more because of the media.

    yes it is, but do we have to make it easier for the offenders? you'd think with evolution that we'd get SMARTER and more peaceful.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    pandora wrote:
    Engage like you are my therapist, comical,
    that probably helps in your line of work a sense of humor...me too.
    There are some with no sense of humor really I find in life
    well unless they are making someone the burnt of a joke. Snide remarks and such.
    Not sure why you think I was relying on your profession I actually questioned it I think :?

    I am always ready to admit if I misunderstood someone though and took something personal
    not directed at me.

    I think most people here can do that.... don't you think?

    Hey explain how someone, not me of course, was being Narcissistic in the thread,
    seeing that you brought that up...

    Isn't that vanity like those with a picture of themselves as their avatars?
    I have never really understood that term or the personality    ...
    not knowing anyone like that.
    But wait thats off topic... though you brought it up we better not carry that further...
    I'll google I guess. Learn a little about shh-tuff or you could pm me with
    what brought that conclusion.

    I too am awaiting what they discover about James Holmes, if he is indeed a schizophrenic
    or one having a thought disorder, as so many trained professionals have eluded to.

    I hope they don't try to fry him anyways... that's my fear.


    wow! you really do scrape the bottom of the barrel (for entertainment purposes) don't you?

    nice jab @ cbg and whomever else.

    having one's picture as their avatar is perfectly acceptable as that is who the hell they are.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    The world has always been a violent place...I doubt it's much different today than a 100 years ago or 500 hundred years ago...we just hear about it more because of the media.

    yes it is, but do we have to make it easier for the offenders? you'd think with evolution that we'd get SMARTER and more peaceful.

    No we don't have to...I've long given up thinking the world would get more peaceful, it seems to be getting more violent.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    chadwick wrote:
    having one's picture as their avatar is perfectly acceptable as that is who the hell they are.

    yeah, that comment really made me :?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    having one's picture as their avatar is perfectly acceptable as that is who the hell they are.

    yeah, that comment really made me :?
    Ditto that.

    CBG's got self-restraint, for sure :D
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    hedonist wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    having one's picture as their avatar is perfectly acceptable as that is who the hell they are.

    yeah, that comment really made me :?
    Ditto that.

    CBG's got self-restraint, for sure :D
    Ahhh thanks guys, but anyone with this many shoes has to be a little vain ;):lol: Sometimes when people feel hurt they want to hurt back, so if that's the worst thing that's said about me today, I'm still having a pretty good day. Just for the sake of clarity, since the question was asked, vanity is not the same as narcissism, however. Narcissism really has more to do with personalizing things and being easily injured. Most of us possess both qualities to a certain extent, and they're perfectly healthy...in small doses.

    Now on to the guns! Have we resolved this issue yet? :think: :lol:
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Now on to the guns! Have we resolved this issue yet? :think: :lol:
    Call me crazy ( :P ) ... but I don't think so :mrgreen:
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    hedonist wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Now on to the guns! Have we resolved this issue yet? :think: :lol:
    Call me crazy ( :P ) ... but I don't think so :mrgreen:
    :lol: Unfortunately I think we'll have this issue to keep us busy for a long, long time. Just thinking about the question redrock posed in her thread about crime boggles my mind. So many factors involved, different forces at play with different types of crime...it makes me a little world weary.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    g under p wrote:

    I agree, CBG you respond perfectly well objectively well...it's when one comments are in disagreement they somehow become insulting. Please.

    Peace
    Really? ...
    "g under p"

    Did you you see the laws in Colorado where we just had our last mass shooting that was posted earlier....do you think the CO laws are strict enough? Do you own a gun? From what I've read i don't think so yet you crusade on and on about how guns protect yet you yourself appear to not own one....walking the fence again. Practice what you preach if you don't own a gun.


    Peace

    Do you think that was condescending towards me, presumptuous and insulting?
    if I practiced what some preach do you think I should follow up with humiliation
    then?
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I didn't put you down Pandora. I made an objective comment based on my observations about the dynamics on this thread. I'm sorry if you find those observations hurtful, but if you identify with them it might be helpful to explore that further. If you do t identify with them, dismiss them as not pertinent to you. This thread is filled with posts about my knowledge on the topic and my ability to resist responding to condescending comments.

    Back on topic...

    I heard this about a million times today on news radio...

    Here in Georgia, 5 children under the age of six and their Mothers were terrorized in a home invasion
    last evening by masked gunman i.e. criminals with rifles and handguns
    who broke in a locked door and no they did not knock first.

    In front of the tiny ones the criminals pistol whipped and roughed up the women
    sending the children into terrified screams.
    All the women frightened for their lives and that of their children,
    as one can imagine if they try.

    The criminals demanded money from the helpless victims...

    thankfully the homeowner came out from another room
    brandishing a gun after calling but not waiting on police
    the gun and the homeowner who meant business caused
    the bad guys to flee. I have not heard if they were apprehended
    or if they are free to terrorize some more.

    Now for those who would be willing to wait for the police,
    thinking that no one need protect themselves, the tiny children or mothers...

    know that the average Georgia police response time is about eleven minutes... :shock:
    which is not all that different from other areas.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hedonist wrote:
    Call me crazy ( :P ) ... but I don't think so :mrgreen:
    ...
    Actually, I thought we did.
    The answer is... there is no answer. Nothing will come about... another massacre will occur... we will all be ***YAWN*** 'shocked' it has happened... AGAIN. A lot of crap tossed about... anecdotal, bullshit... bumper sticker sound bites... hot tempers... all culminating in our doing nothing about it.
    ...
    Hey... look... a Kardashian!
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Ahhh thanks guys, but anyone with this many shoes has to be a little vain ;):lol: Sometimes when people feel hurt they want to hurt back, so if that's the worst thing that's said about me today, I'm still having a pretty good day. Just for the sake of clarity, since the question was asked, vanity is not the same as narcissism, however. Narcissism really has more to do with personalizing things and being easily injured. Most of us possess both qualities to a certain extent, and they're perfectly healthy...in small doses.

    Now on to the guns! Have we resolved this issue yet? :think: :lol:


    Narcissistic


    Symptoms of this disorder include:

    Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation... is that you know who? ;)

    Taking advantage of others to reach their own goals ... I have never had goals :lol:

    Exaggerating their own importance, achievements, and talents ... no I have few of all those things
    sounds like someone I know though ;)

    Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance ...
    I only imagine Eddie ;) thats only a joke!

    Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others ... must not ...I don't get that much :lol:

    Becoming jealous easily ... JB doesn't test that or I might be ;)

    Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others ... think not but this fits some here

    Being obsessed with oneself ... I'm obsessed with most but not myself

    Pursuing mainly selfish goals ... no never selfish but maybe a martyr ;)

    Trouble keeping healthy relationships ...... married 32 years :D Its healthy and fun!

    Becoming easily hurt and rejected ... yes wear my heart on my sleeve

    Setting goals that are unrealistic ... not for me but maybe for others

    Wanting "the best" of everything... for everyone I love

    Appearing unemotional .... :lol::lol::lol: and I was called Histrionic... hmmmm

    Now I look at that list, I see you are right that doesn't fit me at all except that I recognize when I am being humiliated :lol:
    so were you so spot on to say it was not me? yes you were!

    Quite a therapist indeed :lol:

    Hey maybe others want to take the test so we can find out who that culprit is
    you eluded to before ;)

    But the real question remains why call out another poster at all about this
    on a public forum? Who does this?
    Then continue to mock. What kind of personality does this? I'll have to look and see
    cause we got a few of them here :fp:

    and they call this a debate forum all in a days work

    no not done about more gun laws though nor working towards respecting the second amendment

    a right that will be very much needed in the years to come
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Cosmo wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Call me crazy ( :P ) ... but I don't think so :mrgreen:
    ...
    Actually, I thought we did.
    The answer is... there is no answer. Nothing will come about... another massacre will occur... we will all be ***YAWN*** 'shocked' it has happened... AGAIN. A lot of crap tossed about... anecdotal, bullshit... bumper sticker sound bites... hot tempers... all culminating in our doing nothing about it.
    ...
    Hey... look... a Kardashian!
    You are right. That's exactly what happens...time and again. We saw a lot of changes come about after the VA Tech shootings with regard to campus safety. Notification systems were put in place, emergency operation teams frequently have active shooter drills, behavioral intervention/threat assessment teams were developed to try to identify potentially problematic behaviors. All of that and situations like the Colorado shooting still can't be prevented. As I've said, I'm really interested to know more about what the college knew and how they intervened, so that our team can learn from it, but there may be nothing more that they could actually have done. We'll talk about all of those things and make changes there, but ultimately nothing will be done with access to guns. Frustrating.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Call me crazy ( :P ) ... but I don't think so :mrgreen:
    ...
    Actually, I thought we did.
    The answer is... there is no answer. Nothing will come about... another massacre will occur... we will all be ***YAWN*** 'shocked' it has happened... AGAIN. A lot of crap tossed about... anecdotal, bullshit... bumper sticker sound bites... hot tempers... all culminating in our doing nothing about it.
    ...
    Hey... look... a Kardashian!
    You are right. That's exactly what happens...time and again. We saw a lot of changes come about after the VA Tech shootings with regard to campus safety. Notification systems were put in place, emergency operation teams frequently have active shooter drills, behavioral intervention/threat assessment teams were developed to try to identify potentially problematic behaviors. All of that and situations like the Colorado shooting still can't be prevented. As I've said, I'm really interested to know more about what the college knew and how they intervened, so that our team can learn from it, but there may be nothing more that they could actually have done. We'll talk about all of those things and make changes there, but ultimately nothing will be done with access to guns. Frustrating.
    With each incidence it is not about taking away personal rights but learning and adapting.
    Good things have come out of these horrific events and changes too.
    Makes me wonder what is ahead.

    The Colorado shooting is bringing awareness to the
    holes in laws we do have and one's not being enforced properly.
    More aware of mental illness and to look and act on signs before violence.

    People will prepare themselves like the Run Hide Fight video, train themselves with a plan
    for public places and call upon bravery when needed to save lives.
    Others will arm themselves and do so responsibly,
    with the intent to stop a madman in the future.

    I am not frustrated, no more than by the many other ugly things in this world.
    It is a process, one to prepare and hopefully to save us all.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    comebackgirl wrote:
    You are right. That's exactly what happens...time and again. We saw a lot of changes come about after the VA Tech shootings with regard to campus safety. Notification systems were put in place, emergency operation teams frequently have active shooter drills, behavioral intervention/threat assessment teams were developed to try to identify potentially problematic behaviors. All of that and situations like the Colorado shooting still can't be prevented. As I've said, I'm really interested to know more about what the college knew and how they intervened, so that our team can learn from it, but there may be nothing more that they could actually have done. We'll talk about all of those things and make changes there, but ultimately nothing will be done with access to guns. Frustrating.
    ...
    That's always our solution... guns at schools... metal detectors at schools.
    We should just be searched for guns where ever we go... movies, church, Chik-A-Fil... anyplace a crazy fuck with limitless access to legally obtain weapons and ammo might show up when his fear and paranoia switches flip and he decides to do something about us scumbags who don't fit in his expectations of who we should be and what we should be doing.
    America is just a place where random gun violence will occur... we just have to accept mass murder as one of our national character traits. We need to get off of our high horses and quit gasping and petending we are shocked that shit like this happens... as we sit on our asses and don't do a thing to fix it.
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