Greyhound Bus Cannibal rehabilitated after 4 years?

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    Oh dear lord how horrible for the victim's loved ones. :sick:

    Lock and key lock and key


    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    Paranoid schizophrenia yeah can bring violence but this is something else... primal.
    The hideousness of this crime speaks for itself... this person must be under lock and key.

    The nature of the disease allows the patient to relapse without meds, even with, this factor
    mixed with his very violent dangerous side is a lethal equation, one that should not have
    freedoms of any kind added.

    You may not have a problem in this case or any but I see it as tempting a most horrible fate
    when it comes to this man.

    Because you know better than the qualified doctors and psychologists who've been treating him for the past four years, right?
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  • brandon10
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    So.... if god 'speaks' to you and talks about the future/saving orphans in africa/converting (or killing) infidels - all is well - one is 'enlightened'. But if god 'speaks' to you and tells you the person next to you is an alien and you must kill him/her in order to protect others - one is a dangerous schitzo. Hmmmm..... And before anyone mentions it - of course I know the actions that may follow these 'conversations' could have very different consequences but I'm talking about having this 'conversation' in your head to start with. What is the difference (again - besides possible resulting actions)? Why does one type of conversation is seen as 'good' and the other as 'bad' - one being praised and the other requiring treatment and removal from society. Then again... who knows which is the correct conversation/what god really wants to talk about? ;)
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    redrock wrote:
    So.... if god 'speaks' to you and talks about the future/saving orphans in africa/converting (or killing) infidels - all is well - one is 'enlightened'. But if god 'speaks' to you and tells you the person next to you is an alien and you must kill him/her in order to protect others - one is a dangerous schitzo. Hmmmm..... And before anyone mentions it - of course I know the actions that may follow these 'conversations' could have very different consequences but I'm talking about having this 'conversation' in your head to start with. What is the difference (again - besides possible resulting actions)? Why does one type of conversation is seen as 'good' and the other as 'bad'. Then again... who knows which is the correct conversation/what god really wants to talk about? ;)

    Maybe it depends on what side of the bed 'God' got out of that morning.

    Didn't 'God' tell Tony Blair to invade Iraq? Maybe he was having a bad hair day.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Non-enlightened buffoon cannot resist.

    Do people seriously think this dude has any chance of rehabilitation (or even desreve it for that matter)? Fuk's sakes, man. Seriously? I don't give a shit how many doctors and social workers are clapping their hands and nodding approvingly at each other over the progress they think they have made with this fuking moron. He's beyond rehabilitation.

    "Let them eat cake!" Out of touch with reality.

    For every 'successful' rehabilitation, there are countless failures that have spawned pain and misery on people who were simply placed in harm's way by idiots with diplomas. What weight bears on the minds of enlightened social working know-it-alls, parole boards, and wet tissue wristed judges after they discover their missentenced, rehabilitated and released convict has gone and raped/killed/brutalized an innocent person/family?

    Some people have it figured out: Canada is fucked up with how far we've gone to protect criminals' rights. Sadly, some posts on here reflect more empathy towards the creep instead of the proper amount of sensitivity to the poor chap who he turned into Mr. Potato Head.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Byrnzie wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    So.... if god 'speaks' to you and talks about the future/saving orphans in africa/converting (or killing) infidels - all is well - one is 'enlightened'. But if god 'speaks' to you and tells you the person next to you is an alien and you must kill him/her in order to protect others - one is a dangerous schitzo. Hmmmm..... And before anyone mentions it - of course I know the actions that may follow these 'conversations' could have very different consequences but I'm talking about having this 'conversation' in your head to start with. What is the difference (again - besides possible resulting actions)? Why does one type of conversation is seen as 'good' and the other as 'bad'. Then again... who knows which is the correct conversation/what god really wants to talk about? ;)

    Maybe it depends on what side of the bed 'God' got out of that morning.

    Didn't 'God' tell Tony Blair to invade Iraq? Maybe he was having a bad hair day.

    He did... get rid of a 'bad' man to 'save' others. This sounds familiar.... :think:
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    i have read a little about this, and I am on the fence. Rehab seems possible, but Im not sure I would be too comfortable with loved ones getting exposed to this guy... of course there are sickos everywhere... it actually seems like they are doing the correct thing.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    So, the guy he killed, does he get to be "reintroduced" to society now too?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So, the guy he killed, does he get to be "reintroduced" to society now too?
    Thank you for thinking of the victim, he and his family are all I can think of...
    that and doing everything to insure this man will not have the opportunity to hurt others again.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i must publicly say that i, chadwick, love to pieces one mr. byrnzie. this frickin dude inspires me, changes my views, helps me see things differently and is a brave soul that i admire.

    btw, i still think this head muncher is a lunatic and could be extremely dangerous. however, i am no psychiatric doctor, i have not, did not nor do i plan on attending a school of psychiatry. all that said, i am fully capable of making up my own mind on this bunk ass bullshit.

    the friends and family of the man killed will suffer through mourning until the day they themselves die.

    yes i believe the killer is a monster. in spite of all that, maybe just maybe he himself is a true victim of mental pain & suffering. which seems to be the case.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    chadwick wrote:
    the friends and family of the man killed will suffer through mourning until the day they themselves die. .

    Agree
    chadwick wrote:
    in spite of all that, maybe just maybe he himself is a true victim of mental pain & suffering. which seems to be the case.
    Agree Chadwick. He is also a victim. Though, whilst he was not responsible for his actions at the time of the killing, as you say 'he' was a monster. A monster due to his illness which, with treatment over the years, is under control. He does realise this as well.

    Again, we are not talking about releasing this man from the institution and leaving him on his own - just some short, supervised outings.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    chadwick wrote:
    just curious and thinkin i'd do a what if scenario

    what if this gentleman (the word gentleman being used lightly) has friends on the outside whom he communicates with, what if those pals stash alcohol, drugs, guns & bullets, and other weaponry around downtown whatever, canada for this gentleman to locate and use. just sayin.

    this is how shit happens. it happens inside the walls of penitentiaries constantly; someone brings in weaponry and or drugs pretty much everyday of the week across the board in this coutry and other countries such as Canada, if it isn't happening then please explain all the drugs that are in the penal system today. yes even guards can be suckered into smuggling dope and other bullshit into a penitentiary

    what if this dude has people wanting to help break him out of the mental institution? jump the guard and the hospital worker... easy as pie.

    now i sit and wait for someone to say, chadwick, you are daydreaming in a bullshit hollywood film; please go take a nap, you gotta be tired


    :mrgreen:

    I'm pretty sure they'd be monitoring all communications.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I'm against capital punishment.

    I think of the victims in all crime and their loved ones....
    the suffering in this case immense I am sure.

    It seems others here disregard them and that.

    I know about mental illness first hand ...
    it's not nor ever was curable only controllable.

    It would be very dangerous to think anything otherwise especially in this case
    and controllable just isn't good enough.

    Lock and key!

    you seem to believe that no one is thinking of the victims which is not the case. the issue boils down to the fact that this person is also a victim. he is a mental health victim. Yes mental health is not curable but it is treatable. I don't doubt for a second that these doctors have supervised him for a very long time and I will also not doubt that they feel that he is safe to be outside with supervision.
    Four years :? ...
    fours years is yesterday.

    And no I have not seen many speak on behalf of the poor victims here,
    not as they deserve, surely.

    I have touched on why I believe I would not trust doctors to make calls like this in other posts
    in this thread, so I won't go over all that again.

    This level of violence :fp: of course I say NO to freedom jaunts,
    out of respect for the victim's family and the safety of society.

    Who said he got his freedom or will ever have his freedom...a supervised half out of the institution is still miles away from release.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    81 wrote:
    soooooooo

    is he allowed to take the bus?

    only in Chicago.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    pandora wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So, the guy he killed, does he get to be "reintroduced" to society now too?
    Thank you for thinking of the victim, he and his family are all I can think of...
    that and doing everything to insure this man will not have the opportunity to hurt others again.

    Before this thread all yo could think of was the victoms family...right?
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    sooo ...

    let me get this straight:

    someone who chooses to drink and drive and then goes and kills someone is ok to be reintroduced into society ... despite all the awareness of the dangers drinking and driving causes ...

    while someone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia which caused him to kill someone and had absolutely no control of his actions and did not choose to have this mental illness is not?

    family, friends, etc of victims all mourn the same way ... the victims in the above scenarios are both dead ... the difference is the drunk driver knew he was doing something risky and did it anyways while vince li had absolutely no control of his actions nor did he choose to have this illness ...
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Who said he got his freedom or will ever have his freedom...a supervised half out of the institution is still miles away from release.
    my opinion has been no freedom jaunts and have elaborated why in other posts.

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