Greyhound Bus Cannibal rehabilitated after 4 years?

MotoDC

lukin2006 wrote:

....peoples...in Canada our justice system is based on rehabilitation more than punishment...even some 1st degree killers get out at some point.

you may not like it...but that's how it is and there are very few if any places in Canada that I would not venture into...can you Americans say the same thing?

Has nothing to do with punishment and everything to do with keeping people like this guy away from people who don't murder and eat other people.

chadwick

Jason P wrote:

Here is my rehabilitation plan for people that cut other people's heads off: A pair of concrete boots and swimming lessons.

Done and done.

a wondrous suggestion

chadwick

fife wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Mental illness is no joke and it still is a topic that is not openly discussed like it should be.

+1000

Mental health is a very serious issue that most people just make fun of.

I deal with alot of people dealing with mental health issues and I can tell you that the treatment that many get are really bad.

ok. so what should canada do with this maniac?

redrock

chadwick wrote:

fife wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Mental illness is no joke and it still is a topic that is not openly discussed like it should be.

+1000

Mental health is a very serious issue that most people just make fun of.

I deal with alot of people dealing with mental health issues and I can tell you that the treatment that many get are really bad.

ok. so what should canada do with this maniac?

What they are already doing - keeping him in a mental institution and treating him for his illness.

fife

redrock wrote:

chadwick wrote:

Mental illness is no joke and it still is a topic that is not openly discussed like it should be.

+1000

ok. so what should canada do with this maniac?

What they are already doing - keeping him in a mental institution and treating him for his illness.[/quote]

+1

lukin2006

He's mentally ill...when taking his meds he probably be ok. I really don't think Canada needs to explain its justice system to Americans. Like i said you can go pretty well any where you want in Canada and probably be safe. The same can't be said for America.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Bronx Bombers wrote:

pandora wrote:

Sometimes I think these docs have huge egos or something

Hey if the guy is cured the doctor should take him on a picnic with his own family to celebrate.

it's interesting you say that, because one of the doctors said just that, he'd be more than comfortable having him over to his house for a visit.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

do you people really think the doctors are taking this lightly? this happened near where I live, and when it happened it fucking horrified me. I actually had a bit of a nervous breakdown over it. It didn't seem real.

I find it extremely disturbing that people label mental illness as "evil". It's not fucking evil. It's an illness, like a bad heart. He had a bad brain that made him do horrific things to Tim McLean. I can't imagine his mother's anger at the courts. Of course she's not going to say "well, as long as he takes his pills, let him go to Wal Mart". But come on, as polaris stated, he was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness. that illness is being treated. being found NOT GUILTY means he shouldn't be locked up when he is all better and is found to be responsible with his medication. weekly visits by a mental health professional should be mandatory, but we're not there yet.

fear gets you nowhere. if this guy's on his meds, I have no issue with him being in the community.

pandora

I personally wasn't challenging Canada's justice system at all. I was not generalizing
only speaking on this case, this man.

I think everyone can agree he is not your run of the mill paranoid schizophrenic nor
is his crime.
Perhaps everyone agrees this man needs to stay in the mental facility but what was in question
was should the Docs be able to allow him jaunts.

In my opinion, no. That for me is crazy talk.
He is and always will be too dangerous. After displaying this level of violence
in a psychotic state no one should be able to make a decision to risk more loss
of human life by allowing freedoms, however small.

Lock and key for this maniac.

maniac - an insane person, wildly disordered; "a maniacal frenzy"
afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement
a person who has an excessive enthusiasm or desire for something

I guess what is the joke is that anyone would even consider allowing him the even outside
chance of finding another victim.

chadwick

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

pandora wrote:

Sometimes I think these docs have huge egos or something

Hey if the guy is cured the doctor should take him on a picnic with his own family to celebrate.

it's interesting you say that, because one of the doctors said just that, he'd be more than comfortable having him over to his house for a visit.

wow. you canadians are a friendly and forgiving lot i give you that. maybe invite jeffrey dahmer over for a bite and a bit of a party but i think he's been shanked to death in some prison.

it is a fact... canadians are very kind loving people. this my experience and many, many millions of people from around the world. however, ya can't coddle bunk ass bullshit evil behavior. this fuckin guy should not be picnicing in the park and prancing around downtown whathaveyou, canada. but what the fuck ever. when he fucks shit up it'll be on canada's shoulders.

plus.... beings canada is concerned about everyones safety and well-being
what about this maniacs safety and well-being? is it safe for this guy to be able to walk the streets with a guard and a hospital worker/doctor or whomever?

not one swingin john would like to see him offed?

maybe that is canada's plan. take the guy for a stroll... someone takes him out.

end of story

do not tell me it couldn't happen because even a canadian can be willing to pull a trigger or whatever to rid bunk ass bullshit from the streets

put this dude in a prison in general population in a nasty prison in california. he may do very well. then again he may end up like jeffrey dahmer

Hugh Freaking Dillon

everyone says Canadians are nicer than everyone else. I don't know if you can lump a country into one hole of a trait, kinda like saying all Americans are egotistical or all Australians are surfers. Because not everyone is on board with giving this guy freedom, let me tell you, it has polarized the nation.

And it's not about forgiveness, it's about understanding the difference between mental illness and downright psychotic episodes with homicidal tendencies. Vince Li didn't premeditate this. It took him months to even realize what he had done. He had uncontrollable voices in his head telling him he'd be protecting everyone else by killing Tim McLean.

You can't say "well this is a different kind of scizophrenia, he needs to be locked up". It's not a different kind, it's just a different degree. Some people you may know have it and function very well in society, and to the other extreme you have Vince Li. The doctors have been monitoring him extremely closely and they believe that he is responding extremely well to medication and therapy, so what's the point of permanent incarceration? isn't our justice system about rehabilitation as much as it is accountability? since he was held not mentally accountable for the crime, if he is rehabilitated, then there's no reason to keep him in.

I don't think he should ever be truly free. Like I said before, he needs to be monitored to make sure he's taking his meds and isn't experiencing any setbacks.

USARAY

this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy

chadwick

My3bika wrote:

this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy

thank you!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

My3bika wrote:

this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy

I don't mean to be condescending here, but it would greatly benefit you to read up on mental illness, it's causes, and therapies.

a malfunctioning brain is no different than any other sick organ. it needs medical attention, and yes, it can be repaired.

and please, folks, stop turning this into one nation vs the next. this has nothing to do with america being better than canada or the reverse. arguments such as this in any context don't make any sense to me.

lukin2006

Why is it so hard for some of you to realize he suffers from an illness of the brain that can be corrected according to his doctors. I'm quite confident that his doctors are taking his case seriously and are not making recommendations lightly.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

lukin2006 wrote:

Why is it so hard for some of you to realize he suffers from an illness of the brain that can be corrected according to his doctors. I'm quite confident that his doctors are taking his case seriously and are not making recommendations lightly.

exactly.

chadwick

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Why is it so hard for some of you to realize he suffers from an illness of the brain that can be corrected according to his doctors. I'm quite confident that his doctors are taking his case seriously and are not making recommendations lightly.

exactly.

and maybe i was wrong when saying he deserves to be in a wooden box placed in a cold dark hole
i admit i may be extremely off base with that comment

i bow out of this debate

keeponrockin

My3bika wrote:

this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy

You'd take a country that executes innocent and mentally incapable people over countries that try and rehabilitate...

Well, to each is own.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

keeponrockin wrote:

My3bika wrote:

this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy

You'd take a country that executes innocent and mentally incapable people over countries that try and rehabilitate...

Well, to each is own.

USARAY

mental illness can be fixed no one is sayin it can't but this maniac whether he can or not
he's gotta stay locked up he is to dangerous to people
cripes! he ate a person wtf