Greyhound Bus Cannibal rehabilitated after 4 years?
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WINNIPEG, Manitoba - A man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada won his bid to leave the grounds of the mental hospital where he is being kept, a criminal review board ruled Thursday.
The Criminal Code review board said Vince Li's treatment team may grant him short escorted trips into the central Canadian city of Selkirk, Manitoba. The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days.
Li was found not criminally responsible for the July 2008 death of Tim McLean, a young carnival worker who was sitting next to Li on a bus near Portage la Prairie.
The board said the passes should only be granted if Li's treatment team believes his condition is stable and that it would be "appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward." He will have to be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer.
"It's terrible. It's disgusting," Nadine McLean, the victim's stepmother, said Thursday after she learned about the decision. "It's kind of a waste going to the review board every year when he's going to get whatever he asks for."
Carol DeDelley, the victim's mother, also called it unacceptable and vowed to continue her efforts to fight the law dealing with people found not criminally responsible.
"My son died this way to shed light on the issue," DeDelley told reporters. "I'm not stigmatizing mental issues. If he's doing well in a controlled environment with regularly administrated medications leave him there ... but freedom for him? I don't think that should ever be an option."
The passes can be issued starting May 24.
Li was initially confined to a locked wing of the Selkirk Mental Health Centre, but in 2010 was given the right to escorted walks on the hospital grounds.
Li's psychiatrist said the 44-year-old has responded well to treatment and asked the review board earlier this week to let Li take trips into town.
McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li, a stranger who was sitting beside him, suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. As the bus stopped and horrified passengers fled, Li carved up McLean's body and ate portions of it.
A judge was was told at Li's trial four years ago that Li was an untreated schizophrenic.
As part of this year's review, Li's psychiatrist, Dr. Steven Kremer, described Li as a model patient, who has shown no security risks and who has participated in treatment programs and taken up odd jobs at the hospital.
Justice Minister Rob Nicholson announced he asked officials to review the Criminal Code section dealing with people found not criminally responsible. He said public safety must come first.
Li emigrated from China in 2001 and worked menial jobs in Canada.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z1vE6O7dG4
This is a disgrace, how is this possible?
The Criminal Code review board said Vince Li's treatment team may grant him short escorted trips into the central Canadian city of Selkirk, Manitoba. The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days.
Li was found not criminally responsible for the July 2008 death of Tim McLean, a young carnival worker who was sitting next to Li on a bus near Portage la Prairie.
The board said the passes should only be granted if Li's treatment team believes his condition is stable and that it would be "appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward." He will have to be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer.
"It's terrible. It's disgusting," Nadine McLean, the victim's stepmother, said Thursday after she learned about the decision. "It's kind of a waste going to the review board every year when he's going to get whatever he asks for."
Carol DeDelley, the victim's mother, also called it unacceptable and vowed to continue her efforts to fight the law dealing with people found not criminally responsible.
"My son died this way to shed light on the issue," DeDelley told reporters. "I'm not stigmatizing mental issues. If he's doing well in a controlled environment with regularly administrated medications leave him there ... but freedom for him? I don't think that should ever be an option."
The passes can be issued starting May 24.
Li was initially confined to a locked wing of the Selkirk Mental Health Centre, but in 2010 was given the right to escorted walks on the hospital grounds.
Li's psychiatrist said the 44-year-old has responded well to treatment and asked the review board earlier this week to let Li take trips into town.
McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li, a stranger who was sitting beside him, suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. As the bus stopped and horrified passengers fled, Li carved up McLean's body and ate portions of it.
A judge was was told at Li's trial four years ago that Li was an untreated schizophrenic.
As part of this year's review, Li's psychiatrist, Dr. Steven Kremer, described Li as a model patient, who has shown no security risks and who has participated in treatment programs and taken up odd jobs at the hospital.
Justice Minister Rob Nicholson announced he asked officials to review the Criminal Code section dealing with people found not criminally responsible. He said public safety must come first.
Li emigrated from China in 2001 and worked menial jobs in Canada.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z1vE6O7dG4
This is a disgrace, how is this possible?
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vince li had/has a mental illness that was untreated ... therefore his level of blame on the murder of that passenger is tempered ... for the victim's families - obviously, they aren't gonna like that ... but if you have a judicial system that is based on rehabilitation and punishment - this is the outcome ... frig - drunk drivers who kill people get out early on parole all the time ... some don't even see jail time ...
the justice system may not be great but i don't see this as being inconsistent with how it's framed0 -
Oh dear lord how horrible for the victim's loved ones.
The masses must protest him being able to leave that facility, that is as crazy as what he did!
Can anyone say Hannibal ... :shock: shocking
Sometimes I think these docs have huge egos or something
they need to keep the vision of what he did to another human being
in their minds at all times ...
cause cure is fragile if not nonexistent.
Lock and key lock and key0 -
Untreated mental illness that makes you unable to take care of yourself safely is one thing. Untreated mental illness that makes you stab a complete stranger for no reason, then eat said stranger, is quite another. What is this magical "treatment" that makes the Board certain that he won't murder and cannibalize another random stranger after only 4 years out of society? Maybe Li's schizophrenia is only "treated" when he's in a simple, highly controlled environment, supervised constantly by doctors?polaris_x wrote:vince li had/has a mental illness that was untreated ... therefore his level of blame on the murder of that passenger is tempered ... for the victim's families - obviously, they aren't gonna like that ... but if you have a judicial system that is based on rehabilitation and punishment - this is the outcome ... frig - drunk drivers who kill people get out early on parole all the time ... some don't even see jail time ...
the justice system may not be great but i don't see this as being inconsistent with how it's framed0 -
i will not ever, when riding public transportation, have my eyes closed while listening to my headphones blast away. this dude is a fucked up son of a b.
the force it takes to remove a head is incredible i'd think.
that maniac deserves to be put to death. simple dimple pimple.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
plus he ate parts of the guy.
sick fucker has zero right to walk freely in downtown whatever, canadafor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
how much money will canada spend on this dude throughout his life? how much have they spent already?for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
MotoDC wrote:Untreated mental illness that makes you unable to take care of yourself safely is one thing. Untreated mental illness that makes you stab a complete stranger for no reason, then eat said stranger, is quite another. What is this magical "treatment" that makes the Board certain that he won't murder and cannibalize another random stranger after only 4 years out of society? Maybe Li's schizophrenia is only "treated" when he's in a simple, highly controlled environment, supervised constantly by doctors?
i'm no expert on schizophrenia but i don't find it a stretch to think that the paranoia could lead to something like that ... my understanding also is that there is treatment for that illness ... there are two parts to this i suppose:
1. is he likely to reoffend while on escorted visits?
2. does he deserve to see the light of day?
personally, if the courts ruled that he remain in a mental institution for the rest of his life - i would be somewhat indifferent to that ... but if they feel that he was criminally not responsible and that the treatment he receives ultimately allows him to either enter or partake in society - so be it ... i know many people will be upset by this but it's the nature of our justice system and I don't really see this particular aspect a problem ...0 -
+1MotoDC wrote:
Untreated mental illness that makes you unable to take care of yourself safely is one thing. Untreated mental illness that makes you stab a complete stranger for no reason, then eat said stranger, is quite another. What is this magical "treatment" that makes the Board certain that he won't murder and cannibalize another random stranger after only 4 years out of society? Maybe Li's schizophrenia is only "treated" when he's in a simple, highly controlled environment, supervised constantly by doctors?polaris_x wrote:vince li had/has a mental illness that was untreated ... therefore his level of blame on the murder of that passenger is tempered ... for the victim's families - obviously, they aren't gonna like that ... but if you have a judicial system that is based on rehabilitation and punishment - this is the outcome ... frig - drunk drivers who kill people get out early on parole all the time ... some don't even see jail time ...
the justice system may not be great but i don't see this as being inconsistent with how it's framed
and maybe he is the grandest of evil manipulators waiting ... waiting
I know schizophrenia pretty well this is more than just that.0 -
thank you, pandora.pandora wrote:
+1MotoDC wrote:
Untreated mental illness that makes you unable to take care of yourself safely is one thing. Untreated mental illness that makes you stab a complete stranger for no reason, then eat said stranger, is quite another. What is this magical "treatment" that makes the Board certain that he won't murder and cannibalize another random stranger after only 4 years out of society? Maybe Li's schizophrenia is only "treated" when he's in a simple, highly controlled environment, supervised constantly by doctors?polaris_x wrote:vince li had/has a mental illness that was untreated ... therefore his level of blame on the murder of that passenger is tempered ... for the victim's families - obviously, they aren't gonna like that ... but if you have a judicial system that is based on rehabilitation and punishment - this is the outcome ... frig - drunk drivers who kill people get out early on parole all the time ... some don't even see jail time ...
the justice system may not be great but i don't see this as being inconsistent with how it's framed
and maybe he is the grandest of evil manipulators waiting ... waiting
I know schizophrenia pretty well this is more than just that.
i know several schizophrenia foks. i could not ever in a billion years ever imagine themn doing thisfor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
yeah i know that.polaris_x wrote:chadwick wrote:how much money will canada spend on this dude throughout his life? how much have they spent already?
we, as a country, do not believe in capital punishment ...
then allow this maniac to walk downtown
good luck, sir & all of canadafor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
Paranoid schizophrenia yeah can bring violence but this is something else... primal.polaris_x wrote:MotoDC wrote:Untreated mental illness that makes you unable to take care of yourself safely is one thing. Untreated mental illness that makes you stab a complete stranger for no reason, then eat said stranger, is quite another. What is this magical "treatment" that makes the Board certain that he won't murder and cannibalize another random stranger after only 4 years out of society? Maybe Li's schizophrenia is only "treated" when he's in a simple, highly controlled environment, supervised constantly by doctors?
i'm no expert on schizophrenia but i don't find it a stretch to think that the paranoia could lead to something like that ... my understanding also is that there is treatment for that illness ... there are two parts to this i suppose:
1. is he likely to reoffend while on escorted visits?
2. does he deserve to see the light of day?
personally, if the courts ruled that he remain in a mental institution for the rest of his life - i would be somewhat indifferent to that ... but if they feel that he was criminally not responsible and that the treatment he receives ultimately allows him to either enter or partake in society - so be it ... i know many people will be upset by this but it's the nature of our justice system and I don't really see this particular aspect a problem ...
The hideousness of this crime speaks for itself... this person must be under lock and key.
The nature of the disease allows the patient to relapse without meds, even with, this factor
mixed with his very violent dangerous side is a lethal equation, one that should not have
freedoms of any kind added.
You may not have a problem in this case or any but I see it as tempting a most horrible fate
when it comes to this man.0 -
fixedpandora wrote:Paranoid schizophrenia yeah can bring violence but this is something else... primal.
The hideousness of this crime speaks for itself... this person must be under lock and key.
The nature of the disease allows the patient to relapse without meds, even with, this factor
mixed with his very violent dangerous side is a lethal equation, one that should not have
freedoms of any kind added.
You may not have a problem in this case or any but I see it as tempting a most horrible fate
when it comes to this monster.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
pandora wrote:Sometimes I think these docs have huge egos or something
Hey if the guy is cured the doctor should take him on a picnic with his own family to celebrate.0 -
just do a search on paranoid schizophrenia ... the guy who killed everyone in Norway was diagnosed with it ... violent outbursts is not uncommon for people with this illness ...0
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that is fine. and yeah they are nuts and can be violent. that doesn't mean they should be in society.polaris_x wrote:just do a search on paranoid schizophrenia ... the guy who killed everyone in Norway was diagnosed with it ... violent outbursts is not uncommon for people with this illness ...
and.............................
...it doesn't mean they should breathe
once they have done some very violent monsterous act(s)
removing a dude's head on a greyhound bus and eating his flesh is beyond help in my book. to me this kinda action is evil. the guy should be put in a wooden box and placed in a dark cold hole in the ground.
but that's just me. i believe in love, kindness and peace. and i believe society should be safe from evil. society is not safe with this dude breathing let alone walking freely downtown.
as someone above said... the dr. and his family should have this maniac over for a picnicfor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
chadwick wrote:that is fine. and yeah they are nuts and can be violent. that doesn't mean they should be in society.
and.............................
...it doesn't mean they should breathe
once they have done some very violent monsterous act(s)
removing a dude's head on a greyhound bus and eating his flesh is beyond help in my book. to me this kinda action is evil. the guy should be put in a wooden box and placed in a dark cold hole in the ground.
but that's just me. i believe in love, kindness and peace. and i believe society should be safe from evil. society is not safe with this dude breathing let alone walking freely downtown.
as someone above said... the dr. and his family should have this maniac over for a picnic
so ... what about drunk drivers that kill people?0 -
Bronx Bombers wrote:pandora wrote:Sometimes I think these docs have huge egos or something
Hey if the guy is cured the doctor should take him on a picnic with his own family to celebrate.
laughing but really this is scary as shit...
Doctors, its almost like they have their Frankenstein, they created, they cured,
they might even be so blinded by ego that they would go on a picnic! :?
I think a bond grows and one of sympathy, which has no place in the safety of society.
Some minds are uncanny... we don't understand the power there or where
exactly it comes from. More of this man's childhood and story should be known,
not for understanding but as a warning. Sick or otherwise, sympathy I have is for the victims
and I want no more at his hands.0 -
I won't get started on this guy because I believe anyone who kills almost a hundred peoplepolaris_x wrote:just do a search on paranoid schizophrenia ... the guy who killed everyone in Norway was diagnosed with it ... violent outbursts is not uncommon for people with this illness ...
should never walk free again.
And have you seen his eyes? His smirks says much about how he really feels
about his society or mine. He is a predator of mankind.
I hope he is not in our headlines 25 years from now
because that blood will be on the hands of Norway. We have a responsibility to each other.
This is what I feel about paranoid schizophrenia at this horrific level.
Lock and key.0 -
pandora wrote:, its almost like they have their Frankenstein, they created, they cured, they might even be so blinded by ego that they would go on a picnic! :?
I can picture it now his wife asks this nut hey could you help me with this head of lettuce?0
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