Greyhound Bus Cannibal rehabilitated after 4 years?

polaris_x

also ... this story hits a bit harder because about a week before this happened ... i was traveling across the country on a greyhound bus ... and on this exact same route ... :(

Drowned Out

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Thread title fixed, didn't mean to insult anyone, I just think its ridiculous that they would let this looney out after just 4 years.

Cool man :thumbup:
No offense taken at all…. there were a few comments pointing fingers back and forth about the nationalist angle to the thread, so I chimed in. And as far as feeling tired of being picked on…I didn’t mean to insinuate YOU in particular, just a general comment…even when criticism isn’t directed at you personally, it’s frustrating to feel stereotyped or viewed as part of the problem because of where you live...I can empathize with this, being from Alberta (tar sands). I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to be a liberal minded person in, say, Alabama....
(not directed at you, polaris ….I hear a lot of negative comments about Albertans, as people, because of the tar sands – mostly from BC people).

fife

pandora wrote:

I'm against capital punishment.

I think of the victims in all crime and their loved ones....
the suffering in this case immense I am sure.

It seems others here disregard them and that.

I know about mental illness first hand ...
it's not nor ever was curable only controllable.

It would be very dangerous to think anything otherwise especially in this case
and controllable just isn't good enough.

Lock and key!

you seem to believe that no one is thinking of the victims which is not the case. the issue boils down to the fact that this person is also a victim. he is a mental health victim. Yes mental health is not curable but it is treatable. I don't doubt for a second that these doctors have supervised him for a very long time and I will also not doubt that they feel that he is safe to be outside with supervision.

MayDay10

Cant believe this was 4 years ago. Wow time flies. Such a horrifying story.

I agree that supervised 'releases' with a guard is a long way from being released into population.

chadwick

just curious and thinkin i'd do a what if scenario

what if this gentleman (the word gentleman being used lightly) has friends on the outside whom he communicates with, what if those pals stash alcohol, drugs, guns & bullets, and other weaponry around downtown whatever, canada for this gentleman to locate and use. just sayin.

this is how shit happens. it happens inside the walls of penitentiaries constantly; someone brings in weaponry and or drugs pretty much everyday of the week across the board in this coutry and other countries such as Canada, if it isn't happening then please explain all the drugs that are in the penal system today. yes even guards can be suckered into smuggling dope and other bullshit into a penitentiary

what if this dude has people wanting to help break him out of the mental institution? jump the guard and the hospital worker... easy as pie.

now i sit and wait for someone to say, chadwick, you are daydreaming in a bullshit hollywood film; please go take a nap, you gotta be tired

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

just curious and thinkin i'd do a what if scenario

what if this gentleman (the word gentleman being used lightly) has friends on the outside whom he communicates with, what if those pals stash alcohol, drugs, guns & bullets, and other weaponry around downtown whatever, canada for this gentleman to locate and use. just sayin.

this is how shit happens. it happens inside the walls of penitentiaries constantly; someone brings in weaponry and or drugs pretty much everyday of the week across the board in this coutry and other countries such as Canada, if it isn't happening then please explain all the drugs that are in the penal system today. yes even guards can be suckered into smuggling dope and other bullshit into a penitentiary

what if this dude has people wanting to help break him out of the mental institution? jump the guard and the hospital worker... easy as pie.

now i sit and wait for someone to say, chadwick, you are daydreaming in a bullshit hollywood film; please go take a nap, you gotta be tired

come on chad.. were not dealing with a criminal mastermind here.. were dealing with a mentally ill person. any ill person needs medical help. this man is getting it. and he needs to be supported.

oh and go take a nap.. yo be trippin'!

fife

chadwick wrote:

just curious and thinkin i'd do a what if scenario

what if this gentleman (the word gentleman being used lightly) has friends on the outside whom he communicates with, what if those pals stash alcohol, drugs, guns & bullets, and other weaponry around downtown whatever, canada for this gentleman to locate and use. just sayin.

this is how shit happens. it happens inside the walls of penitentiaries constantly; someone brings in weaponry and or drugs pretty much everyday of the week across the board in this coutry and other countries such as Canada, if it isn't happening then please explain all the drugs that are in the penal system today. yes even guards can be suckered into smuggling dope and other bullshit into a penitentiary

what if this dude has people wanting to help break him out of the mental institution? jump the guard and the hospital worker... easy as pie.

now i sit and wait for someone to say, chadwick, you are daydreaming in a bullshit hollywood film; please go take a nap, you gotta be tired

Chadwick, you are daydreaming in a bullshit hollywood film now take a nap.

but to be honest, that can happen with anyone. what if I guy was in jail for assault and got out of jail and committed a murder. we can't prevent crime from happening but we can't live in fear and keep people in hospitals or jails forever too.

Kel Varnsen

chadwick wrote:

just curious and thinkin i'd do a what if scenario

what if this gentleman (the word gentleman being used lightly) has friends on the outside whom he communicates with, what if those pals stash alcohol, drugs, guns & bullets, and other weaponry around downtown whatever, canada for this gentleman to locate and use. just sayin.

this is how shit happens. it happens inside the walls of penitentiaries constantly; someone brings in weaponry and or drugs pretty much everyday of the week across the board in this coutry and other countries such as Canada, if it isn't happening then please explain all the drugs that are in the penal system today. yes even guards can be suckered into smuggling dope and other bullshit into a penitentiary

what if this dude has people wanting to help break him out of the mental institution? jump the guard and the hospital worker... easy as pie.

now i sit and wait for someone to say, chadwick, you are daydreaming in a bullshit hollywood film; please go take a nap, you gotta be tired

What if this guy actually was talking to god on the bus that night and the guy he killed actually was a dangerous alien? Since that seems about as likely as your scenario.

chadwick

sorry. i forgot i politely backed out of this conversation last week.

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

sorry. i forgot i politely backed out of this conversation last week.

and then jumped back in with both feet, guns blazing and your hair on fire.

pandora

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

I'm against capital punishment.

I think of the victims in all crime and their loved ones....
the suffering in this case immense I am sure.

It seems others here disregard them and that.

I know about mental illness first hand ...
it's not nor ever was curable only controllable.

It would be very dangerous to think anything otherwise especially in this case
and controllable just isn't good enough.

Lock and key!

you seem to believe that no one is thinking of the victims which is not the case. the issue boils down to the fact that this person is also a victim. he is a mental health victim. Yes mental health is not curable but it is treatable. I don't doubt for a second that these doctors have supervised him for a very long time and I will also not doubt that they feel that he is safe to be outside with supervision.

Four years :? ...
fours years is yesterday.

And no I have not seen many speak on behalf of the poor victims here,
not as they deserve, surely.

I have touched on why I believe I would not trust doctors to make calls like this in other posts
in this thread, so I won't go over all that again.

This level of violence :fp: of course I say NO to freedom jaunts,
out of respect for the victim's family and the safety of society.

fife

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

I'm against capital punishment.

I think of the victims in all crime and their loved ones....
the suffering in this case immense I am sure.

It seems others here disregard them and that.

I know about mental illness first hand ...
it's not nor ever was curable only controllable.

It would be very dangerous to think anything otherwise especially in this case
and controllable just isn't good enough.

Lock and key!

you seem to believe that no one is thinking of the victims which is not the case. the issue boils down to the fact that this person is also a victim. he is a mental health victim. Yes mental health is not curable but it is treatable. I don't doubt for a second that these doctors have supervised him for a very long time and I will also not doubt that they feel that he is safe to be outside with supervision.

Four years :? ...
fours years is yesterday.

And no I have not seen many speak on behalf of the poor victims here,
not as they deserve, surely.

I have touched on why I believe I would not trust doctors to make calls like this in other posts
in this thread, so I won't go over all that again.

This level of violence :fp: of course I say NO to freedom jaunts,
out of respect for the victim's family and the safety of society.

No one here or anyone that I have talked to about this case has not said that what this person did was good. Infact everyone was horrified by what happen. but the main issue is that we have rules in place that says that if a person is found to not be able to understand what they did that it would be cruel and unusual punishment to put this person in prison. This person had/has major mental health issue but our courts understand that people with mental health issues can live a normal life.

pandora

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

you seem to believe that no one is thinking of the victims which is not the case. the issue boils down to the fact that this person is also a victim. he is a mental health victim. Yes mental health is not curable but it is treatable. I don't doubt for a second that these doctors have supervised him for a very long time and I will also not doubt that they feel that he is safe to be outside with supervision.

Four years :? ...
fours years is yesterday.

And no I have not seen many speak on behalf of the poor victims here,
not as they deserve, surely.

I have touched on why I believe I would not trust doctors to make calls like this in other posts
in this thread, so I won't go over all that again.

This level of violence :fp: of course I say NO to freedom jaunts,
out of respect for the victim's family and the safety of society.

No one here or anyone that I have talked to about this case has not said that what this person did was good. Infact everyone was horrified by what happen. but the main issue is that we have rules in place that says that if a person is found to not be able to understand what they did that it would be cruel and unusual punishment to put this person in prison. This person had/has major mental health issue but our courts understand that people with mental health issues can live a normal life.

Yes I'm sure no one thought it good to behead and eat a human being and of course everyone
was shocked. That though is not showing respect for the victim or his loved ones.


and yes they can but without the possibility of ever hurting others again

in my opinion

81

soooooooo

is he allowed to take the bus?

hedonist

81 wrote:

soooooooo

is he allowed to take the bus?

brianlux

81 wrote:

soooooooo

is he allowed to take the bus?

When I read this, a thread of thought ran through my head and I must apologize ahead of time here but it's been a really, really, long day and I'm super tired.

The first thing that crossed my wind when I read this, 81, was, "Is he allowed to drive the bus?" The next thing that crossed my mind was the R.E.M. song, "Driver Eight".

I'm sorry, honestly!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

fortunately for society, the justice system doesn't make its decisions based on what the victim's family wishes for.

good god.

and I never took offense to the Canadian angle of this. I took offense at mental illness being portrayed as monstrous.

so much ignorance still resides in this world.

hedonist

brianlux wrote:

81 wrote:

soooooooo

is he allowed to take the bus?

When I read this, a thread of thought ran through my head and I must apologize ahead of time here but it's been a really, really, long day and I'm super tired.

The first thing that crossed my wind when I read this, 81, was, "Is he allowed to drive the bus?" The next thing that crossed my mind was the R.E.M. song, "Driver Eight".

I'm sorry, honestly!

I was thinking of Dirty Frank!

HughFD, I think what he DID was monstrous. Literally. I do have some sympathy / empathy for its source.

And I really, really feel for the family of the victim. I try to imagine being in their place, and just can't.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

hedonist wrote:

HughFD, I think what he DID was monstrous. Literally. I do have some sympathy / empathy for its source.

this is the key. making that distinction.

Byrnzie

MotoDC wrote:

What is this magical "treatment" that makes the Board certain that he won't murder and cannibalize another random stranger after only 4 years out of society?

L.S.D? :think: