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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,362
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Good comeback,this team has character!!!!R6 was killer today!!!

    another good game like today and he will have that average over 250!! he's awesome!!!!

    He won the game practically by himself. All against lefties I believe.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Good comeback,this team has character!!!!R6 was killer today!!!

    another good game like today and he will have that average over 250!! he's awesome!!!!

    He won the game practically by himself. All against lefties I believe.

    definitely a good sign.

    think they said on the radio broadcast that howard is 10 for his last 25 with risp. :thumbup:


    utley had a great game too.
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  • The Fixer
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    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Good comeback,this team has character!!!!R6 was killer today!!!

    another good game like today and he will have that average over 250!! he's awesome!!!!

    He won the game practically by himself. All against lefties I believe.

    I hope you're joking with your first sentence. Sure he had a good game, but let's not get carried away. Hopefully we won't have to wait another week for him to have a good game. That seems to be the trend so far this season.

    He finally found a lefty he could hit. A 35 year old washed up scrub with cancer.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    more willingham rumors. he's my second choice after beltran...he'd be ideal

    Ruben Amaro again says the Phillies will make no moves -- and as Bob Brookover writes, his veracity track record on these kind of things is checkered. Several rival talent evaluators speculated this week that Josh Willingham of Oakland would be a perfect fit for the Phillies because he's right-handed, he's experienced in the National League and he could provide some protection for Ryan Howard when the Phillies face left-handed pitching. We'll see.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    The Fixer wrote:
    more willingham rumors. he's my second choice after beltran...he'd be ideal

    Ruben Amaro again says the Phillies will make no moves -- and as Bob Brookover writes, his veracity track record on these kind of things is checkered. Several rival talent evaluators speculated this week that Josh Willingham of Oakland would be a perfect fit for the Phillies because he's right-handed, he's experienced in the National League and he could provide some protection for Ryan Howard when the Phillies face left-handed pitching. We'll see.

    i kind of agree with jp that if they add someone it might not be a big move like that.

    brookover's article today talks about how they have the best record in baseball right now but could be even better without making a move like that.

    luckily we've still got a month and a half to evaluate before the deadline though...
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  • The Fixer
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    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    more willingham rumors. he's my second choice after beltran...he'd be ideal

    Ruben Amaro again says the Phillies will make no moves -- and as Bob Brookover writes, his veracity track record on these kind of things is checkered. Several rival talent evaluators speculated this week that Josh Willingham of Oakland would be a perfect fit for the Phillies because he's right-handed, he's experienced in the National League and he could provide some protection for Ryan Howard when the Phillies face left-handed pitching. We'll see.

    i kind of agree with jp that if they add someone it might not be a big move like that.

    brookover's article today talks about how they have the best record in baseball right now but could be even better without making a move like that.

    luckily we've still got a month and a half to evaluate before the deadline though...

    the luxury tax threshold is the key. I don't see them going to that level either.

    blanton being hurt is really killing them. if he was even average this year they could probably find someone to take him. then, there are the other horrible contracts (lidge, ibanez, howard) that could prohibit them from doing anything substantial.

    who knows though? I never thought their payroll would reach the current level. maybe they will bite the bullet and pay the luxury tax for a few months.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    yeah i agree with you about blanton...and i know it's not my money but fuck it. if it takes paying the luxury tax for a few months to put them over the top, then do it.


    that said, i just look at it like the phils have always, always, been a 2nd half team with this regime. they've got the best record in baseball in mid june despite not hitting the ball like they can. if these guys even approach their career averages, with this rotation and back end of the bullpen, they can beat anybody.
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  • 81
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    jamminpearls wrote:
    Good comeback,this team has character!!!!R6 was killer today!!!


    more like the Cubs just blow. :lol:
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    yeah i agree with you about blanton...and i know it's not my money but fuck it. if it takes paying the luxury tax for a few months to put them over the top, then do it.


    that said, i just look at it like the phils have always, always, been a 2nd half team with this regime. they've got the best record in baseball in mid june despite not hitting the ball like they can. if these guys even approach their career averages, with this rotation and back end of the bullpen, they can beat anybody.

    yeah, we'll see what happens. like you said, the good thing is they still have plenty of time to upgrade the lineup.

    I think the bullpen is an issue as well. How many relievers do you consistently trust in a big playoff spot? I'd say one...madson.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    yeah i agree with you about blanton...and i know it's not my money but fuck it. if it takes paying the luxury tax for a few months to put them over the top, then do it.


    that said, i just look at it like the phils have always, always, been a 2nd half team with this regime. they've got the best record in baseball in mid june despite not hitting the ball like they can. if these guys even approach their career averages, with this rotation and back end of the bullpen, they can beat anybody.

    yeah, we'll see what happens. like you said, the good thing is they still have plenty of time to upgrade the lineup.

    I think the bullpen is an issue as well. How many relievers do you consistently trust in a big playoff spot? I'd say one...madson.

    i'm not concerned about the bullpen too much just because of the rotation. madson, bastard, stutes, and contreras (assuming he straightens things out)--i'm all okay with right now. with any luck lidge gives you something. gotta add another lefty at some point. but i'm good with the backend of the bullpen.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Fixer wrote:
    I hope you're joking with your first sentence. Sure he had a good game, but let's not get carried away. Hopefully we won't have to wait another week for him to have a good game. That seems to be the trend so far this season.

    He finally found a lefty he could hit. A 35 year old washed up scrub with cancer.

    actually he is 9 for his last 15 against lefties. and wait please explain to me how Chase is a god and you are sprouting off about him because he hit against those same shitty lefties? man you are illogical and so blinded when it comes to those 2.

    good to see Chase put together 2 good games in a row. had his short sweet stroke going. great to see and hopefully can keep it up. hopefully charlie doesn't ride him too much and burn him out by september. play to end the game yesterday was a heck of a play.

    really like stutes. shows some balls out there. i hope when they bring Worley back up that Romero is gone. was down there friday to watch that turd. how is it possible for a major leaguer to miss the plate so often by so much? i don't understand it.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    yeah i agree with you about blanton...and i know it's not my money but fuck it. if it takes paying the luxury tax for a few months to put them over the top, then do it.


    that said, i just look at it like the phils have always, always, been a 2nd half team with this regime. they've got the best record in baseball in mid june despite not hitting the ball like they can. if these guys even approach their career averages, with this rotation and back end of the bullpen, they can beat anybody.

    yeah, we'll see what happens. like you said, the good thing is they still have plenty of time to upgrade the lineup.

    I think the bullpen is an issue as well. How many relievers do you consistently trust in a big playoff spot? I'd say one...madson.

    i'm not concerned about the bullpen too much just because of the rotation. madson, bastard, stutes, and contreras (assuming he straightens things out)--i'm all okay with right now. with any luck lidge gives you something. gotta add another lefty at some point. but i'm good with the backend of the bullpen.

    I don't know man. Two of the four guys you just named are untested in playoffs. bastardo has some experience i guess. I don't think contreras has much left...especially if he has to pitch back to back days
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I hope you're joking with your first sentence. Sure he had a good game, but let's not get carried away. Hopefully we won't have to wait another week for him to have a good game. That seems to be the trend so far this season.

    He finally found a lefty he could hit. A 35 year old washed up scrub with cancer.

    actually he is 9 for his last 15 against lefties. and wait please explain to me how Chase is a god and you are sprouting off about him because he hit against those same shitty lefties? man you are illogical and so blinded when it comes to those 2.

    good to see Chase put together 2 good games in a row. had his short sweet stroke going. great to see and hopefully can keep it up. hopefully charlie doesn't ride him too much and burn him out by september. play to end the game yesterday was a heck of a play.

    really like stutes. shows some balls out there. i hope when they bring Worley back up that Romero is gone. was down there friday to watch that turd. how is it possible for a major leaguer to miss the plate so often by so much? i don't understand it.

    actually I never said anything about utley's offense. I was talking about his all around game. dude just does everything well...unlike some higher paid players on this team
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I hope you're joking with your first sentence. Sure he had a good game, but let's not get carried away. Hopefully we won't have to wait another week for him to have a good game. That seems to be the trend so far this season.

    He finally found a lefty he could hit. A 35 year old washed up scrub with cancer.

    actually he is 9 for his last 15 against lefties. and wait please explain to me how Chase is a god and you are sprouting off about him because he hit against those same shitty lefties? man you are illogical and so blinded when it comes to those 2.

    good to see Chase put together 2 good games in a row. had his short sweet stroke going. great to see and hopefully can keep it up. hopefully charlie doesn't ride him too much and burn him out by september. play to end the game yesterday was a heck of a play.

    really like stutes. shows some balls out there. i hope when they bring Worley back up that Romero is gone. was down there friday to watch that turd. how is it possible for a major leaguer to miss the plate so often by so much? i don't understand it.

    actually I never said anything about utley's offense. I was talking about his all around game. dude just does everything well...unlike some higher paid players on this team

    all things well? i guess you haven't seem him throw. steve sax and mackey sasser have nothing on him. usually he waits until the playoffs for that but it has started early this year.

    although chase is probably the best base runner we've ever had. maybe rolen is the only one close.
  • The Fixer
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    pjhawks wrote:

    all things well? i guess you haven't seem him throw. steve sax and mackey sasser have nothing on him. usually he waits until the playoffs for that but it has started early this year.

    although chase is probably the best base runner we've ever had. maybe rolen is the only one close.
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    yeah, his throws have killed them in the playoffs :? . especially the one in the WS when he nailed bartlett at the plate in what could have been the play of the series.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    all things well? i guess you haven't seem him throw. steve sax and mackey sasser have nothing on him. usually he waits until the playoffs for that but it has started early this year.

    although chase is probably the best base runner we've ever had. maybe rolen is the only one close.

    yeah, his throws have killed them in the playoffs :? . especially the one in the WS when he nailed bartlett at the plate in what could have been the play of the series.[/quote]

    didn't we go through this last year? something like 7 misplays in 35 playoff games. yes he has made some great plays, including the one that sealed yesterday's game, but don't just shrug off his misdeeds. he has f'd up about 7 plays in 17 games so far this year.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:

    didn't we go through this last year? something like 7 misplays in 35 playoff games. yes he has made some great plays, including the one that sealed yesterday's game, but don't just shrug off his misdeeds. he has f'd up about 7 plays in 17 games so far this year.

    I definitely don't think it has been that many. 2 or 3 maybe. He was fighting his throws a bit in the first week or so off the DL. Don't you think that might have something to do with his plant knee being the one that was injured? Especially on the one DP turn he tried to make...he looked scared to get hit on his knee, which is understandable.

    Utley is the least of my worries with this team
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    didn't we go through this last year? something like 7 misplays in 35 playoff games. yes he has made some great plays, including the one that sealed yesterday's game, but don't just shrug off his misdeeds. he has f'd up about 7 plays in 17 games so far this year.

    I definitely don't think it has been that many. 2 or 3 maybe. He was fighting his throws a bit in the first week or so off the DL. Don't you think that might have something to do with his plant knee being the one that was injured? Especially on the one DP turn he tried to make...he looked scared to get hit on his knee, which is understandable.

    Utley is the least of my worries with this team

    you should be worried about the knee and he and charlie abusing it before september. he is probably seeing a bit too much time still as hard as it is to take him out of the lineup.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    yeah, we'll see what happens. like you said, the good thing is they still have plenty of time to upgrade the lineup.

    I think the bullpen is an issue as well. How many relievers do you consistently trust in a big playoff spot? I'd say one...madson.

    i'm not concerned about the bullpen too much just because of the rotation. madson, bastard, stutes, and contreras (assuming he straightens things out)--i'm all okay with right now. with any luck lidge gives you something. gotta add another lefty at some point. but i'm good with the backend of the bullpen.

    I don't know man. Two of the four guys you just named are untested in playoffs. bastardo has some experience i guess. I don't think contreras has much left...especially if he has to pitch back to back days

    mariano rivera was untested at one point too. kind of the risk that goes with going with your young guys. bastardo does have some experience. stutes seems to have the right mental make up to handle those pressure situations. a pennant race will be good gauge. but i've always wanted them to build a pen this way.

    again--with this rotation, i don't think it's a concern so long as the back end is strong, which it appears to be.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    Utley starting to turn the corner - hitting the ball h-a-r-d. The timeline rounds out to about the same amount of time that he would be coming into form from spring training...
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