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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    I would be mildly concerned if I were you guys. Seems a lot more serious than first believed and sounds like it hurts like hell. The Yanks won the world series the year Arod missed the first 2 months of the season so even if he misses a lot of time early, they should be fine. Still though, have to wonder what this does to him in the long run, does not sound like a lot of fun.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Possible Plan Bs For Chase Utley
    By Tim Dierkes [March 9 at 9:07am CST]
    Phillies team physician Dr. Michael Ciccotti released a statement this morning regarding second baseman Chase Utley; here's an excerpt:

    An MRI was obtained that demonstrated his prior tendinitis, chondromalacia, and bone inflammation. His chondromalacia symptoms persisted in spite of focused non-operative care, including a cortisone injection. A subsequent cartilage-specific MRI was obtained confirming the initial diagnosis. Continued non-operative treatment is being carried out and additional opinions will be obtained.

    Additionally, here are comments from GM Ruben Amaro Jr. and head trainer Scott Sheridan, passed along by MLB.com's Todd Zolecki. Amaro at least is not considering the idea that Utley could miss the season.

    ESPN's Buster Olney presumes the Phillies are at least considering which second base candidates might become available this season. We'll start with his two speculative ideas, and add a few more.

    Chone Figgins, Mariners: Figgins' value is at a low point, he's owed $26MM over the next three years at the least, and switching him to second base again would be questionable.

    Jeff Keppinger, Astros: He's making $2.3MM this year and is under team control for 2012 as an arbitration eligible player. He could be a good fit.

    David Eckstein, free agent: SI's Jon Heyman made this suggestion on Twitter. On a minor league deal, there's no harm in adding Eckstein or a similar free agent. Others include Willy Aybar, Julio Lugo, Bobby Crosby, and Cristian Guzman, although Guzman will miss at least the first half due to family issues.

    Michael Young, Rangers: Between Young's contract and Adrian Beltre's injury, this is difficult to picture. Plus it'd create another uncomfortable situation when Utley is ready to play. Heyman tweets that while the Phillies have not been in contact with the Rangers lately, top scout Charley Kerfeld is following them and Young.

    Felipe Lopez, Rays: Lopez is battling with out of options Elliot Johnson for the Rays' utility infielder job. Johnson is dealing with a quad injury currently. It's possible Lopez has an opt-out if he doesn't make the team.

    Luis Castillo, Mets: If Castillo is released the Phillies could take a look, but they might prefer their internal options. Castillo would only cost the league minimum.

    Ramon Santiago, Tigers: He "could be a possibility" for the Phillies, tweets CBS' Danny Knobler.
    Internally, the Phillies have Wilson Valdez and Brian Bocock on the 40-man roster and Josh Barfield and Pete Orr as non-roster invitees.

    Six days ago, GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said regarding Utley's injury, "I'm not going to be doing anything else because of this. I mean, we'll watch some of the other guys play, but we expect (Utley) to be our second baseman." Look for the Phillies to make a minor addition at most unless Utley's condition takes a turn for the worse.



    also--looks like cholly is about to be extended....
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    I read the mlbtraderumors article earlier too. I had to clean the puke off my keyboard after i read that list of replacements.

    I actually do like keppinger as a bench player. he'd be my first choice
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Fixer wrote:
    I read the mlbtraderumors article earlier too. I had to clean the puke off my keyboard after i read that list of replacements.

    I actually do like keppinger as a bench player. he'd be my first choice

    I think the Yankees tried trading for Keppinger earlier this offseason for the bench. Didn't work out for some reason. I like him too, would be a good pick up for you guys.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,537
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I read the mlbtraderumors article earlier too. I had to clean the puke off my keyboard after i read that list of replacements.

    I actually do like keppinger as a bench player. he'd be my first choice

    I think the Yankees tried trading for Keppinger earlier this offseason for the bench. Didn't work out for some reason. I like him too, would be a good pick up for you guys.

    Yeah, I like Keppinger than any of those names. Cliff, this is the AAAA Phillies we're talking about. I'm sure Rube and Eddie Wade can get something done.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    The Fixer wrote:
    I read the mlbtraderumors article earlier too. I had to clean the puke off my keyboard after i read that list of replacements.

    I actually do like keppinger as a bench player. he'd be my first choice
    :lol::lol:
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    metsfan wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I read the mlbtraderumors article earlier too. I had to clean the puke off my keyboard after i read that list of replacements.

    I actually do like keppinger as a bench player. he'd be my first choice
    :lol::lol:

    not sure why that's funny. the dude can hit and play multiple positions. solid bench guy.

    it could be worse for utley...he could have beltran's knees. at least chase is only having issues in one knee, not both
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    The Fixer wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I read the mlbtraderumors article earlier too. I had to clean the puke off my keyboard after i read that list of replacements.

    I actually do like keppinger as a bench player. he'd be my first choice
    :lol::lol:

    not sure why that's funny. the dude can hit and play multiple positions. solid bench guy.

    it could be worse for utley...he could have beltran's knees. at least chase is only having issues in one knee, not both
    no i meant the first part was funny. i actually liked keppinger for his brief stay here and never understood why omar traded him for ruben gotay :wtf: :thumbdown:, oh well.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,537
    I'm not ready to blow this out of proportion. And if he does have some kind of surgery, I don't think they would do something that would make him miss the entire season. So if they're going to do something that takes him out for a couple months, do it now.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    metsfan wrote:

    no i meant the first part was funny. i actually liked keppinger for his brief stay here and never understood why omar traded him for ruben gotay :wtf: :thumbdown:, oh well.

    ha, my bad. I'm not in the best mood after hearing this utley news.

    I miss omar already
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I'm not ready to blow this out of proportion. And if he does have some kind of surgery, I don't think they would do something that would make him miss the entire season. So if they're going to do something that takes him out for a couple months, do it now.

    did you see the brandon inge quotes? he went through the same thing. not good

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... _pain.html
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,537
    The Fixer wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I'm not ready to blow this out of proportion. And if he does have some kind of surgery, I don't think they would do something that would make him miss the entire season. So if they're going to do something that takes him out for a couple months, do it now.

    did you see the brandon inge quotes? he went through the same thing. not good

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... _pain.html

    Yeah, but apparently he had it in both knees. And there's different levels of it depending on how severe it is. I'm just not willing to give in to freak-out mode just yet. Optimistic view is surgery and 6-8 weeks, worst case is all year, so we'll see. Hopefully he just doesn't need surgery at all and they're just making sure not to rush anything.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    The Fixer wrote:

    ha, my bad. I'm not in the best mood after hearing this utley news.
    it's all good. i would be too if i was u.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Here is what boggles my mind and it is the same thing that happened to Arod, why do these players wait till spring training to bring this up? Arod did the same thing with his hip and opted for a minor surgery that would allow him to play at less than 100% rather than the hip surgery that would have had him out at least until the all star break. I actually think it was the same hip surgery Utley had. I know these guys want to play but you are going to get on the field quicker if you let people know about your issues earlier.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Here is what boggles my mind and it is the same thing that happened to Arod, why do these players wait till spring training to bring this up? Arod did the same thing with his hip and opted for a minor surgery that would allow him to play at less than 100% rather than the hip surgery that would have had him out at least until the all star break. I actually think it was the same hip surgery Utley had. I know these guys want to play but you are going to get on the field quicker if you let people know about your issues earlier.

    utley's actually played through this for the past couple of years. apparently it has gotten worse in spring training.

    I'm wth JP...not ready to freak out yet. certainly not the best news though
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Here is what boggles my mind and it is the same thing that happened to Arod, why do these players wait till spring training to bring this up? Arod did the same thing with his hip and opted for a minor surgery that would allow him to play at less than 100% rather than the hip surgery that would have had him out at least until the all star break. I actually think it was the same hip surgery Utley had. I know these guys want to play but you are going to get on the field quicker if you let people know about your issues earlier.

    utley's actually played through this for the past couple of years. apparently it has gotten worse in spring training.

    I'm wth JP...not ready to freak out yet. certainly not the best news though

    I guess but he played like 3 days in spring training so I would imagine it has been an issue through his offseason workouts.

    Not saying you guys should freak out, if he misses a couple months, it's no big deal. Just getting worse and worse every day.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Here is what boggles my mind and it is the same thing that happened to Arod, why do these players wait till spring training to bring this up? Arod did the same thing with his hip and opted for a minor surgery that would allow him to play at less than 100% rather than the hip surgery that would have had him out at least until the all star break. I actually think it was the same hip surgery Utley had. I know these guys want to play but you are going to get on the field quicker if you let people know about your issues earlier.

    utley's actually played through this for the past couple of years. apparently it has gotten worse in spring training.

    I'm wth JP...not ready to freak out yet. certainly not the best news though

    I guess but he played like 3 days in spring training so I would imagine it has been an issue through his offseason workouts.

    Not saying you guys should freak out, if he misses a couple months, it's no big deal. Just getting worse and worse every day.



    cliff funny you mention that because i had the same conversation with people at work today. if he played through it last year and it still lingered after the season...why not tell someone asap?

    jp--where did you hear surgery would have a 6-8 week recovery time? everything i've seen is it is essentially season ending if they went that route. i'm thinking that's why they have not done it yet. if it's just a 2 month thing, they should have gotten it over with a couple weeks ago. i think they know its season ending so it makes sense to wait and continue the rest route for as long as they possibly can.

    i'm not freaking out either. but as much as we'd all like to think this is just a minor story getting blown out of proportion, looking at it objectively....this fucking SUCKS.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,537
    On DNL they had a doctor on from Virtua and explained everything in detail and said that's best case scenario.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Juggler wrote:

    cliff funny you mention that because i had the same conversation with people at work today. if he played through it last year and it still lingered after the season...why not tell someone asap?

    jp--where did you hear surgery would have a 6-8 week recovery time? everything i've seen is it is essentially season ending if they went that route. i'm thinking that's why they have not done it yet. if it's just a 2 month thing, they should have gotten it over with a couple weeks ago. i think they know its season ending so it makes sense to wait and continue the rest route for as long as they possibly can.

    i'm not freaking out either. but as much as we'd all like to think this is just a minor story getting blown out of proportion, looking at it objectively....this fucking SUCKS.

    Yeah, it makes no sense to me. It happens all the time, these injuries that are obiously lingering and they had to have felt during the offseason only come up in the spring. It's bizarre, get it fixed and rehab it.

    So Jeags, does the 162-0 prediction still stand? Maybe the Phillies will lose a few games now?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,537
    But, with Utley out this is how I would make the lineup...

    1.Victorino-CF
    2.Polanco-3B
    3.Rollins-SS
    4.Howard-1B
    5/6-Ibanez/Francisco depending on righty/lefty
    7.Ruiz-C
    8.Young-2B

    If they do end up going through the first couple months without him, I could see them making a move for a dude like Keppinger. I like that move.
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