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pandora wrote:I recall the irony that it was my sister committed for treatment after he left her broken and her x husband went on in life to torment more women.
I said before in my post if there are no victims there can be no abusers speaking of empowering women as you say but unfortunately I agree with 4 and 20, often the damage has been done
to the strongest of women, even empowered women. In many cases the women leave but are stalked even killed because of leaving.
It's hard for me to believe 41 years later, since my sisters experience, men are still beating women.
What's it gonna take?
Men need to show men this won't be tolerated in whatever way is needed.
It is still a man's world and they need to protect their sisters.
I totally agree Pandora, I was just saying the sisters willingness to stay with him was the "secondary" problem.
While the guy is the primary problem, kicking his ass could create other problems altogehter.
I dont like violence and i dont think it can usually fix the problem.. of course, this is easy for me to say a million miles away.. if this was happeneing to my sister, i'd be at their house in an instant making sure that this guy never laid a hand on her again. I guess i'm kinda contradictory.
Also, there are probably a million othre factors in this that we dont know about..
Does he drink?
how long they have been together?
How old is he? she?
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i ran around a bit with a woman who was with a few different dudes who used to beat on her. i couldn't believe the things she told me that happened to her. not one single swingin' dick ever stepped in to help her and the kids out, and she has 2 brothers, 2 sisters, mom & dad, and many male friends. hell, her one brother is a god damn policeman for crying out load. still, nothing.
when her 2nd husband dies she is to dance a jig on his grave. all i know is that that can not happen soon enough. this guy has been hurting women his entire adult life. hell, he probably beat up little girls when he was a boy.
useless piece of garbage...
and lemme tell ya something. i loved this woman a lot but he fucked her up so much so many times that she couldn't overcome a lot of it and had problems being in a loving relationship. i gave her flowers. the first few times she got scared and ran away. dickhead always gave her flowers after beating her ass.
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I'm sorry that your sister is going through this.
I'm sure she is also being "mentally" abused as well as physically abused. She may even feel that its part her fault - somehow if she does everything just right - he would stop beating her up. These situations are so complicated- no easy answer -
Your sister needs to ge help as soon as possible - especially if their are children involved. No child should witness their mom being beat up.
And yes, it would be nice if "someone" can beat the shit out of her husband - just to give him a taste of his own medicine...*********************************************************************************************0 -
JonnyPistachio wrote:pandora wrote:I recall the irony that it was my sister committed for treatment after he left her broken and her x husband went on in life to torment more women.
I said before in my post if there are no victims there can be no abusers speaking of empowering women as you say but unfortunately I agree with 4 and 20, often the damage has been done
to the strongest of women, even empowered women. In many cases the women leave but are stalked even killed because of leaving.
It's hard for me to believe 41 years later, since my sisters experience, men are still beating women.
What's it gonna take?
Men need to show men this won't be tolerated in whatever way is needed.
It is still a man's world and they need to protect their sisters.
I totally agree Pandora, I was just saying the sisters willingness to stay with him was the "secondary" problem.
While the guy is the primary problem, kicking his ass could create other problems altogehter.
I dont like violence and i dont think it can usually fix the problem.. of course, this is easy for me to say a million miles away.. if this was happeneing to my sister, i'd be at their house in an instant making sure that this guy never laid a hand on her again. I guess i'm kinda contradictory.
Also, there are probably a million othre factors in this that we dont know about..
Does he drink?
how long they have been together?
How old is he? she?
Does he have a record?
I too am contradictory...I am against capital punishment but not taking justice into your own hands if necessary to save a loved one. I know that doesn't make sense, but it's how I feel.0 -
chadwick wrote:pandora wrote:I recall the irony that it was my sister committed for treatment after he left her broken and her x husband went on in life to torment more women.
I said before in my post if there are no victims there can be no abusers speaking of empowering women as you say but unfortunately I agree with 4 and 20, often the damage has been done
to the strongest of women, even empowered women. In many cases the women leave but are stalked even killed because of leaving.
It's hard for me to believe 41 years later, since my sisters experience, men are still beating women.
What's it gonna take?
Men need to show men this won't be tolerated in whatever way is needed.
It is still a man's world and they need to protect their sisters.
good post pandora, one thing i'd like to point out if i may. men don't beat on women (and children). men need to show guys or loser or boys or weak candy ass jerk offs that harming women is a bad idea. being a big meany does not make anyone a man.
A lifelong bully grown up.
And as you said in your other post about your lady friend, the physical scars are nothing compared to the mental ones left on the victim, they heal.
Like in my sisters case and that which her daughter witnessed long
before she could even understand, is hidden deep in her subconscious.
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My experiences have taught me that human beings are cowards, especially bullies who would pick on women and children. Confront them and they back down like scared little dogs. You probably wouldn't even have to actually physically harm the individual as long as they truly believe that you are fully capable of it. Hell, I once challenged an entire frat to a fight, in their house no less, and even after a dozen of them had assembled, not one was willing to step forward, let alone the whole group. One of my most stupid, but proudest moments...Idaho's Premier Outdoor Writer
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eyedclaar wrote:My experiences have taught me that human beings are cowards, especially bullies who would pick on women and children. Confront them and they back down like scared little dogs.:
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To the rest of your post - ya just don't fuck with a dude who knowingly leaves his house wearing Crocs.0 -
Dissidentman wrote:To the rest of your post - ya just don't fuck with a dude who knowingly leaves his house wearing Crocs.
true...he might hit you with his purse0 -
norm wrote:Dissidentman wrote:To the rest of your post - ya just don't fuck with a dude who knowingly leaves his house wearing Crocs.
true...he might hit you with his purse
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eyedclaar wrote:norm wrote:Dissidentman wrote:To the rest of your post - ya just don't fuck with a dude who knowingly leaves his house wearing Crocs.
true...he might hit you with his purse
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eyedclaar wrote:My experiences have taught me that human beings are cowards, especially bullies who would pick on women and children. Confront them and they back down like scared little dogs. You probably wouldn't even have to actually physically harm the individual as long as they truly believe that you are fully capable of it. Hell, I once challenged an entire frat to a fight, in their house no less, and even after a dozen of them had assembled, not one was willing to step forward, let alone the whole group. One of my most stupid, but proudest moments...
lovin' it.
your little experience is just about exactly like my little brother Dut's. 18-20 year olds rented a house next door to a family friend's parents house. kids shot out the old man's taillights and headlights to his vehicales.
our dude isn't exactly a scraper. my brother, friend, and myself cruised into town to have a conversation with these youngmen. like you my brother took over their house. it was the greatest moment in my life to date.
my little brother backed 20 or more young little bastards into a corner and had them scrambling for any thought among them on what to do.
i sat on the couch talkin to some young dude.
our buddy had no clue what to say so he laughed a lot and was strong & powerful for the first time in his life.
stupid kids replaced the lights.
bb gun even.
brother knocking on door...knock knock
door opens...
youngmen wrestlers badasses and football team answer the door...
brother says "who are you?"
dude with young hard atheletes behind him says "im god"
brother says.."no...you're a (expeletive deleted) piece of (expletive deleted)
then i stood there with our buddy as my little brother cleaned house.
i want the (expletive deleted) bb gun right (expletive deleted) now.
they tried acting dumb about it.
not happenin.
we gave the old man the kid's bb gun
not one single lawman or attorney was called.
not one single drop of blood dripped.
no punches no kicks.
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I've been in a similar position with someone close to me... it's so incredibly frustrating. First I dealt with it by telling him what a prick he was every chance I got and letting her know what a prick he was. This only achieved her falling out with me cos, in her eyes, I was simply not getting on with the guy she 'loved'. This was a complete failure.
She stopped talking to me and other friends, they started making plans to move away :shock: so I figured I had to do something. I apologised to him in front of her, while also letting him know that I still can't stand him and that he's a dickhead (whenever she wasn't around). He couldn't say anything to her cos all she saw was me being really nice to his face.
There was nothing I could do to get her away from him though... all I could do was wait for the inevitable. And it happened... he got abusive in public, somebody witnessed it, police were called, he was arrested, she woke up, he was dumped!
I'm not sure I ever feared for her life though... I wasn't afraid of this guy and I knew I had people who would 'help' if needed. If I did fear for her life, those people would have been getting involved!The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
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catefrances wrote:g under p wrote:
I totally understand your situation and I probably would feel the same way. However, in the situation with the OP sister beating him up I feel will only create an even worse situation.
peace
agreed. he may well blame her for his beating and visit upon her tenfold what was visited upon him to teach her a lesson.
this is just what will happen to her if friends/family jump in to beat him up_ wrote:g under p wrote:VIOLENCE only Begets More VIOLENCE
Matthew 26:52, NIV: "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".
I can only see this violent situation his sister is in will only escalate with her in the middle of it. A dear love of mine escaped her extremely violent ex husband when he was arrested and sent away to jail for 2.5 years. He threatened to kill her while there but she had made up her mind and followed through with a divorce. Kept her house and all of her children.
His time there I think changed his violent ways and has now helped her out from time to time with the 4 children. We have not walked a mile in his sister shoes as to why she is still defending him and her husband may look at any retaliation against him as a home invasion and react with even more violence.
Peace
Finally some sense around here. OP, don't risk putting your sister's life into more danger on the advice of some macho message-board wankers.
some have lost sight that in actually beating or threatening him will only put her life in greater danger...it's about what's best for & going to truly help her... the abused. it's not getting vengence against the abuser. which will ultimately only exacerbate her problem
the macho idea that giving the abuser a good beating will result in him leaving town forever or it'll force him into becoming non-abusive for good...then she'll be thankful to her family for saving her because it'll be a final end to the problems. truth is that only happens in hollywood on tv. or the movies....
i think this bears repeating:
Remember that you cannot “rescue” him or her. Although it is difficult to see someone you care about get hurt, ultimately the person getting hurt has to be the one to decide that they want to do something about it. It’s important for you to support him or her and help them find a way to safety and peace*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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I totally agree with you prism.all you need is love, love is all you need0
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tinkerbell wrote:I totally agree with you prism.
thanks....i was just stating what actually happens
from someone that's been there, it wasn't just my dad & bro... but even HIS best friend offered to beat the shit outta my ex for me in order to set him straight...as tempting as his offer was i knew i'd be the one to end up paying for it with my blood
also in the past as a volunteer i've listened to badly battered & bruised women while crying say "i thought after my (fill in friend/family members) beat the shit out of him that he would finally stop hitting me"
every community has DV resources...crisis lines, shelters, ongoing support groups etc. available that can and do help. but she has to want & do what's necessary for things to change (hate to make the comparison but it's a tiny bit like an addict & rehab....the abuser being her drug of choice)*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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eyedclaar wrote:G under P, I am curious as to why you ever joined the military if you think violence can't solve anything. Part of a secret elite debating team? While I realize that violence can and does breed violence, I've never had anyone take me up on any kind of offer. Not once. Like I said, I'll stick with what I know and if it was my sister, the bastard would pay. Right or wrong, that's how I'm wired.
Well like you said, you, myself and all of us are wired in all sorts of ways whether that is right or if it is wrong. To answer your question...I joined the military not seeking violence but to become an officer and to be a leader and a leader of men.
I was trained not only to lead these men but to be a soldier in doing so and while becoming a soldier I was also trained to kill. I was Special Forces trained to kill in hand to hand combat and in firearms which I excelled in both. I also became an expert shot/rifleman. As time went by I saw a change in me that I didn't like, I saw that killing was so easy, death became something that didn't faze me to the point where I was begging for a war somewhere anywhere in this world.
It was at this point I realized I had to get out of the military and I did. I feared this death and mayhem side of me would bring it's rath on society. One of the reasons I use the username g under p (Grace Under Pressure) other than my love of the band RUSH is to constantly remind me of that side of me that knows how to kill and hurt as a soldier. Under pressure situations I try to keep grace and be graceful cause I know the things I'm capable of. Another is my use of the word Peace at the end of 90% of my posts.
Now if I was to ever seek so called justice or to threathen someone over abuse to let's say my sister i know exactly what would happen. That is someone is going to be killed, either it's going to him or me more than likely him. As a soldier the training of being a killer which hasn't entirely left me would come to the forefront. I don't do most things half assed it's all or nothing with me and that's how I am wired.
What exactly would be my gain in this action of mine? My sister's abuse would end yes....I would be in jail for the rest of my life...my daughter's life would be miserable and fatherless....and most importantly my sister would dispise my guts to no end if she was still defending her abusive husband.
So in the end what would this apparent macho violent action of mine gain for me ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
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g under p wrote:eyedclaar wrote:G under P, I am curious as to why you ever joined the military if you think violence can't solve anything. Part of a secret elite debating team? While I realize that violence can and does breed violence, I've never had anyone take me up on any kind of offer. Not once. Like I said, I'll stick with what I know and if it was my sister, the bastard would pay. Right or wrong, that's how I'm wired.
Well like you said, you, myself and all of us are wired in all sorts of ways whether that is right or if it is wrong. To answer your question...I joined the military not seeking violence but to become an officer and to be a leader and a leader of men.
I was trained not only to lead these men but to be a soldier in doing so and while becoming a soldier I was also trained to kill. I was Special Forces trained to kill in hand to hand combat and in firearms which I excelled in both. I also became an expert shot/rifleman. As time went by I saw a change in me that I didn't like, I saw that killing was so easy, death became something that didn't faze me to the point where I was begging for a war somewhere anywhere in this world.
It was at this point I realized I had to get out of the military and I did. I feared this death and mayhem side of me would bring it's rath on society. One of the reasons I use the username g under p (Grace Under Pressure) other than my love of the band RUSH is to constantly remind me of that side of me that knows how to kill and hurt as a soldier. Under pressure situations I try to keep grace and be graceful cause I know the things I'm capable of. Another is my use of the word Peace at the end of 90% of my posts.
Now if I was to ever seek so called justice or to threathen someone over abuse to let's say my sister i know exactly what would happen. That is someone is going to be killed, either it's going to him or me more than likely him. As a soldier the training of being a killer which hasn't entirely left me would come to the forefront. I don't do most things half assed it's all or nothing with me and that's how I am wired.
What exactly would be my gain in this action of mine? My sister's abuse would end yes....I would be in jail for the rest of my life...my daughter's life would be miserable and fatherless....and most importantly my sister would dispise my guts to no end if she was still defending her abusive husband.
So in the end what would this apparent macho violent action of mine gain for me ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Peace
you would learn to control yourself and not take his life? i think a few broken ribs, busted nose, and whatever else would probably fix the problem. doing zero action is a bullshit move. a man's sister needs help. ya fucking help by caving in some dickhead's frickin face.
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edit... oh yeah, i forget to add. that's just me and how i am wired.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
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G under P, why are you so sure you'd be caught? If it was me:
A: The perp would have no idea who had sent the message
B: My sister would be kept totally in the dark to my actions; she wouldn't know either
C: There would be zero evidence tying me to the crimesWere my sister to ever find out, I'd have to hope that if she was capable of tolerating the torture of an abusive relationship, she'd be able to forgive a brother who loved her.
The person I referred to earlier in this thread had zero idea who was after him. He just knew that someone capable of great harm was monitoring his actions and because he felt his life was in danger, he fled the state. I was never arrested, never questioned, and the problem was solved instantly. Obviously different dynamics, but still.
Mostly it sounds like what I'm hearing is just do nothing and see if the situation resolves itself. No thanks.
Again, you can't just confront someone and beat the shit out of them. Tempting, yes, but you get caught that way.Idaho's Premier Outdoor Writer
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g under p wrote:eyedclaar wrote:G under P, I am curious as to why you ever joined the military if you think violence can't solve anything. Part of a secret elite debating team? While I realize that violence can and does breed violence, I've never had anyone take me up on any kind of offer. Not once. Like I said, I'll stick with what I know and if it was my sister, the bastard would pay. Right or wrong, that's how I'm wired.
Well like you said, you, myself and all of us are wired in all sorts of ways whether that is right or if it is wrong. To answer your question...I joined the military not seeking violence but to become an officer and to be a leader and a leader of men.
I was trained not only to lead these men but to be a soldier in doing so and while becoming a soldier I was also trained to kill. I was Special Forces trained to kill in hand to hand combat and in firearms which I excelled in both. I also became an expert shot/rifleman. As time went by I saw a change in me that I didn't like, I saw that killing was so easy, death became something that didn't faze me to the point where I was begging for a war somewhere anywhere in this world.
It was at this point I realized I had to get out of the military and I did. I feared this death and mayhem side of me would bring it's rath on society. One of the reasons I use the username g under p (Grace Under Pressure) other than my love of the band RUSH is to constantly remind me of that side of me that knows how to kill and hurt as a soldier. Under pressure situations I try to keep grace and be graceful cause I know the things I'm capable of. Another is my use of the word Peace at the end of 90% of my posts.
Now if I was to ever seek so called justice or to threathen someone over abuse to let's say my sister i know exactly what would happen. That is someone is going to be killed, either it's going to him or me more than likely him. As a soldier the training of being a killer which hasn't entirely left me would come to the forefront. I don't do most things half assed it's all or nothing with me and that's how I am wired.
What exactly would be my gain in this action of mine? My sister's abuse would end yes....I would be in jail for the rest of my life...my daughter's life would be miserable and fatherless....and most importantly my sister would dispise my guts to no end if she was still defending her abusive husband.
So in the end what would this apparent macho violent action of mine gain for me ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Peace
G under P, very insightful. Its good to know that there are people out there like you that know how to control themselves, especially if they (themselves) are considered a dangerous weapon.chadwick wrote:you would learn to control yourself and not take his life? i think a few broken ribs, busted nose, and whatever else would probably fix the problem. doing zero action is a bullshit move. a man's sister needs help. ya fucking help by caving in some dickhead's frickin face.
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edit... oh yeah, i forget to add. that's just me and how i am wired.
this is too volatile of a situation to risk it -- is what I assume G under P is saying. You cant say how somehting will turn out if you intend on breaking ribs, noses, jaws, etc... the guy will fight back, and if he got one lucky shot in on G under P, it is too risky that G under P would kill the bastard. I dont think he was saying "do nothing"... There are too many other outlets to quell this situation without risk to ones family.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
i think im going to throw up.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
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the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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