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  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    The Fixer wrote:

    did you think the mcnabb trade was good for the eagles?

    also, if he was 100% their guy he would have started yesterday. no one knows how good or bad kolb will be. he hasn't played enough


    Actually I was ok moving on from #5 HOWEVER if given the choice between dumping Andy and giving McNabb another year here with our current weapons and a semi-compotent coach I would have endured another year of McNabb to see what happened.

    And didn't they come out before the season and clearly say Kolb is the guy? They went through training camp that way and on Easter Sunday, as soon as McNabb was gone they said that. Read what I said again....if Kolb wasn't injured he would have been the guy if we are to take Reid for his word. In switching to Vick even when Kolb was healthy, they were essentially admitting they were wrong in anointing Kevin that guy. If he was in fact the guy, would Andy have said there was a chance he wouldn't be here after the trade deadline? There is definitely a chance he could be the guy someday but based on what i saw yesterday and vs. the Packers, I saw very little positive in his game. His arm strength sucks, his decision making sucks, he clearly seems afraid to throw downfield and he probably should have been intercepted 3 times. McNabb wasn't really much better but he got the W.

    Am I talking to Howard Eskin right now? I can't say I can ever remember someone so steadfastly defending Fat Andy. I guess you thought we were ok in the WR department all of those years and it was just a coincidence we went to the Super Bowl the only year we had a legit #1?

    And calling me a duck for speaking the truth....classy. Maybe I will stop by the sheep farm and visit you. :lol:
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    The Fixer wrote:
    I never understood why people bring this kind of crap up. who cares? the only people that should be crying about this type of stuff are the media members that have to cover the team. As a fan I could give 2 shits when they make announcements.

    I care. I was really looking forward to opening day with Halladay on the mound and conveniently, on Easter sunday, the Eagles pick then to announce the McNabb trade. I was also looking forward to the Braves series 3 weeks ago but all we heard about the Vick/Kolb. I'm hoping it keeps swaying to the Phils. They have taken over as the hottest ticket in town.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    did you think the mcnabb trade was good for the eagles?

    also, if he was 100% their guy he would have started yesterday. no one knows how good or bad kolb will be. he hasn't played enough


    Actually I was ok moving on from #5 HOWEVER if given the choice between dumping Andy and giving McNabb another year here with our current weapons and a semi-compotent coach I would have endured another year of McNabb to see what happened.

    And didn't they come out before the season and clearly say Kolb is the guy? They went through training camp that way and on Easter Sunday, as soon as McNabb was gone they said that. Read what I said again....if Kolb wasn't injured he would have been the guy if we are to take Reid for his word. In switching to Vick even when Kolb was healthy, they were essentially admitting they were wrong in anointing Kevin that guy. If he was in fact the guy, would Andy have said there was a chance he wouldn't be here after the trade deadline? There is definitely a chance he could be the guy someday but based on what i saw yesterday and vs. the Packers, I saw very little positive in his game. His arm strength sucks, his decision making sucks, he clearly seems afraid to throw downfield and he probably should have been intercepted 3 times. McNabb wasn't really much better but he got the W.

    Am I talking to Howard Eskin right now? I can't say I can ever remember someone so steadfastly defending Fat Andy. I guess you thought we were ok in the WR department all of those years and it was just a coincidence we went to the Super Bowl the only year we had a legit #1?

    And calling me a duck for speaking the truth....classy. Maybe I will stop by the sheep farm and visit you. :lol:

    I don't understand why anyone puts any worth into what he says in press conferences. who cares what he says? vick was playing well, so he played him. if he didn't people would say he's too stubborn...he starts the guy that he thinks gives the team a better chance to win and he still gets ripped. gotta love eagles fans (well, not really)

    looks like kolb is out for a while, so kolb is gonna get his shot. we will see how he does. he needs to play so this team can see what they've got going forward. he's played 2 halves of football this year...that's no where near enough time to evaluate whether or not he can succeed in the NFL.

    I'm a reid fan. Philly is always too quick to eat their own. The guys wins games. Replacing him with someone that's gonna do a better job is not very likely in my opinion.

    also, the mcnabb trade was great for the eagles.
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    The Fixer wrote:

    I don't understand why anyone puts any worth into what he says in press conferences. who cares what he says? vick was playing well, so he played him. if he didn't people would say he's too stubborn...he starts the guy that he thinks gives the team a better chance to win and he still gets ripped. gotta love eagles fans (well, not really)

    looks like kolb is out for a while, so kolb is gonna get his shot. we will see how he does. he needs to play so this team can see what they've got going forward. he's played 2 halves of football this year...that's no where near enough time to evaluate whether or not he can succeed in the NFL.

    I'm a reid fan. Philly is always too quick to eat their own. The guys wins games. Replacing him with someone that's gonna do a better job is not very likely in my opinion.

    also, the mcnabb trade was great for the eagles.

    I will agree the McNabb trade worked out great. I think that pick ended up being Nate Allen.

    And I will agree Andy has a stellar regular season record. He's not a bad coach, he's just really stubborn and really stupid sometimes. I'm sure you could say the same about many coaches but my personal point is, I am sick of hearing the same excuses week after week for years. I was actually very very impressed that he decided to go with Vick after insisting Kolb was the guy. It took balls for him to admit he was wrong and he made his choice based on what he thought to be the best interest of the team. I'll give him props for that.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I never understood why people bring this kind of crap up. who cares? the only people that should be crying about this type of stuff are the media members that have to cover the team. As a fan I could give 2 shits when they make announcements.

    I care. I was really looking forward to opening day with Halladay on the mound and conveniently, on Easter sunday, the Eagles pick then to announce the McNabb trade. I was also looking forward to the Braves series 3 weeks ago but all we heard about the Vick/Kolb. I'm hoping it keeps swaying to the Phils. They have taken over as the hottest ticket in town.

    so you didn't enjoy halladay's first start because mcnabb got traded the day before? that makes no sense
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    I don't understand why anyone puts any worth into what he says in press conferences. who cares what he says? vick was playing well, so he played him. if he didn't people would say he's too stubborn...he starts the guy that he thinks gives the team a better chance to win and he still gets ripped. gotta love eagles fans (well, not really)

    looks like kolb is out for a while, so kolb is gonna get his shot. we will see how he does. he needs to play so this team can see what they've got going forward. he's played 2 halves of football this year...that's no where near enough time to evaluate whether or not he can succeed in the NFL.

    I'm a reid fan. Philly is always too quick to eat their own. The guys wins games. Replacing him with someone that's gonna do a better job is not very likely in my opinion.

    also, the mcnabb trade was great for the eagles.

    I will agree the McNabb trade worked out great. I think that pick ended up being Nate Allen.

    And I will agree Andy has a stellar regular season record. He's not a bad coach, he's just really stubborn and really stupid sometimes. I'm sure you could say the same about many coaches but my personal point is, I am sick of hearing the same excuses week after week for years. I was actually very very impressed that he decided to go with Vick after insisting Kolb was the guy. It took balls for him to admit he was wrong and he made his choice based on what he thought to be the best interest of the team. I'll give him props for that.

    I'm not saying reid is perfect, I just think he does a great job giving this team a chance to win every week. I have said here before that mcnabb was more of a problem than reid in regards to not winning a championship (see Arizona game). Reid is probably too stubborn at times regarding some in-game adjustments.

    Bottom line is that this team isn't good enough to seriously contend this year. The defense and ST are mostly young guys and the O-line is horrendous. I think kolb needs to play so they see what they have going forward. The vick injury could turn out to be a blessing in disguise. If kolb doesn't play well, then they can bring vick back next year and draft their QB of the future (with kolb playing a backup role next year if he's not traded in the offseason).

    It's not easy to watch, we are used to having the eagles contend for the NFC crown. I think reid is the one that has established that culture. He deserves some leeway this year as he reloads for another SB run. They're not too far off, it's just gonna take some time
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    The Fixer wrote:
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I never understood why people bring this kind of crap up. who cares? the only people that should be crying about this type of stuff are the media members that have to cover the team. As a fan I could give 2 shits when they make announcements.

    I care. I was really looking forward to opening day with Halladay on the mound and conveniently, on Easter sunday, the Eagles pick then to announce the McNabb trade. I was also looking forward to the Braves series 3 weeks ago but all we heard about the Vick/Kolb. I'm hoping it keeps swaying to the Phils. They have taken over as the hottest ticket in town.

    so you didn't enjoy halladay's first start because mcnabb got traded the day before? that makes no sense


    Nope, I enjoyed it just as much. I was just annoyed with how it was all over the news and CSN non-stop and the Phils were an after thought. I realized just how bad it was last night when the top story on every one of the 4 major news stations last night was McNabb getting cheered instead of booed. Really? That was the biggest story in Philadelphia?

    And you are right....this team is going nowhere this year. Not with that O-line. You are 100% right that he does give them a chance to win every week. There are so coaches who don't do that and their teams end up winning in spite of the coach. The in-game adjustments you mentioned are what drives me nuts about him. He is too stubborn to go in at halftime and change the game plan and always has been. That was why I was shocked he went with Vick 2 weeks ago. I think trading Kolb would be a mistake though. Kafka isn't a #2 QB in this league. You need someone backing up Vick.

    Again I want to state that this is not me overreacting after a loss calling for his head. I have felt this way for a while. The debacle at the end of the first half yesterday just served to flare up my feelings. I don't know what the difference between a 4th and inches and a 4th and a foot and a half play is but whatever it is, it's no excuse for what happened. The refs also screwed us with that particular play as well. I will say, at least he doesn't rock the horrible ponchos that Belichick wears.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    hopethatuchoke wrote:


    Nope, I enjoyed it just as much. I was just annoyed with how it was all over the news and CSN non-stop and the Phils were an after thought. I realized just how bad it was last night when the top story on every one of the 4 major news stations last night was McNabb getting cheered instead of booed. Really? That was the biggest story in Philadelphia?

    And you are right....this team is going nowhere this year. Not with that O-line. You are 100% right that he does give them a chance to win every week. There are so coaches who don't do that and their teams end up winning in spite of the coach. The in-game adjustments you mentioned are what drives me nuts about him. He is too stubborn to go in at halftime and change the game plan and always has been. That was why I was shocked he went with Vick 2 weeks ago. I think trading Kolb would be a mistake though. Kafka isn't a #2 QB in this league. You need someone backing up Vick.

    Again I want to state that this is not me overreacting after a loss calling for his head. I have felt this way for a while. The debacle at the end of the first half yesterday just served to flare up my feelings. I don't know what the difference between a 4th and inches and a 4th and a foot and a half play is but whatever it is, it's no excuse for what happened. The refs also screwed us with that particular play as well. I will say, at least he doesn't rock the horrible ponchos that Belichick wears.

    I hear ya man...the media in this city can be brutal. I find it's best to just ignore it when something like mcnabb coming back to philly happens.

    As for kolb getting traded, I was talking more about in the offseason. They can always add a vet to back up vick or whoever the starter is next year.

    Yesterday was frustrating. Unfortunately I think this season is gonna have more games like that. Awful spot for the Eagles this week...prime time game on the road vs a team looking for their first win of the year. not good times
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    there's a chance vick can practice wednesday. might not be out as long as people are speculating. day to day thing at this point...
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    The Jeagler wrote:
    there's a chance vick can practice wednesday. might not be out as long as people are speculating. day to day thing at this point...

    Sounds like that's flack jacket territory...
  • The Juggler
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    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    there's a chance vick can practice wednesday. might not be out as long as people are speculating. day to day thing at this point...

    Sounds like that's flack jacket territory...

    did you end up trading him yet?
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    there's a chance vick can practice wednesday. might not be out as long as people are speculating. day to day thing at this point...

    Sounds like that's flack jacket territory...

    did you end up trading him yet?

    Nah. Was actually going to end up trading him this week for a half-decent rb instead of letting him sit, but I guess that's not happening now. :roll:
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Sounds like that's flack jacket territory...

    did you end up trading him yet?

    Nah. Was actually going to end up trading him this week for a half-decent rb instead of letting him sit, but I guess that's not happening now. :roll:


    doh....hopefully he doesn't miss too much time.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    mccoy broke a rib. eagles trying to get marshawn lynch
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    looks like vick will only miss this week and possibly next week:

    Vick admits to "small fracture" in his ribs
    Posted by Mike Florio on October 4, 2010 11:36 PM ET
    X-rays were negative, but an MRI apparently found something that previously wasn't disclosed on Monday.

    In an appearance on Bruce Smith's radio show on WXTG radio, Vick admitted that he has a fracture in his rib cage.

    "There is some cartilage damage up in there and a small fracture up in there, so maybe a week, maybe two weeks," Vick said of his potential absence. "We'll have to see. I've got some cartilage damage up in there, in the upper area of my ribs. I just have to work through it. I've always been a quick healer. It won't be no more than one, two weeks hopefully. Hopefully."

    The primary treatment? Nothing.

    "The most important thing is just rest," Vick said. "There is really nothing you can do for a rib injury, especially in the upper part of your rib cage. I'll get rest, I've got a Hyperbaric machine and I'll be spending a lot of time in that trying to restore my blood cells. I'll stay in the treatment room, getting ice for it and just trying to get movement."

    Vick is expected to miss Sunday night's game against the 49ers. The following week, the Eagles host Vick's former team, the Falcons.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    And hopefully McCoy doesn't miss any time. For the Birds, and my fantasy hopes....talk about the epitome of hollowed stats that make fantasy football what is is - got 23 points out of Shady this past week.
  • The Juggler
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    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    And hopefully McCoy doesn't miss any time. For the Birds, and my fantasy hopes....talk about the epitome of hollowed stats that make fantasy football what is is - got 23 points out of Shady this past week.


    well kolb did throw to him about 50 times...
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    And hopefully McCoy doesn't miss any time. For the Birds, and my fantasy hopes....talk about the epitome of hollowed stats that make fantasy football what is is - got 23 points out of Shady this past week.


    well kolb did throw to him about 50 times...

    Yeah....and I'm in a PPR league. HA.

    It should be fun beating my dad in fantasy, but not when he's technologically illiterate and has no idea how to use a computer.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    interested to see how kolb does without reid being able to throw vick in every other play. really tough spot tonight though.

    gonna have this on the little tv near the bar area tonight....GO PHILS!
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  • 81
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    Kolb is good for 7 points? Right?
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