college kid commits suicide after being secretly taped
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dunkman wrote:catefrances wrote:clearly youre easily amused dunk.
took you this long to find that out?
i have to be easily amused ever since this forum became deader than eh, well, the very topic of this thread.
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polaris_x wrote:i'm gonna postulate that this kid came from a very conservative religious household ...
Ahh...can't bash people for their sexuality, but no qualms about doing it for their religious affiliation.The only people we should try to get even with...
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know1 wrote:polaris_x wrote:i'm gonna postulate that this kid came from a very conservative religious household ...
Ahh...can't bash people for their sexuality, but no qualms about doing it for their religious affiliation.
he didnt bash the kid's religious affiliation.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
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Really?The only people we should try to get even with...
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know1 wrote:
he made an assumption, guess, call it what you will, about the need for the kid to commit suicide... a possible reason for that suicide would be the shame it might bring upon his family if indeed that family were a conservative religious household.
where was the bashing part?oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
he made an assumption, guess, call it what you will, about the need for the kid to commit suicide... a possible reason for that suicide would be the shame it might bring upon his family if indeed that family were a conservative religious household.
where was the bashing part?[/quote]
Kind of a blanket statement, wasn't it?Bristow, VA (5/13/10)0 -
Electric_Delta wrote:he made an assumption, guess, call it what you will, about the need for the kid to commit suicide... a possible reason for that suicide would be the shame it might bring upon his family if indeed that family were a conservative religious household.
where was the bashing part?
Kind of a blanket statement, wasn't it?[/quote]
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semantics. that's what's really important here. good job guys.www.myspace.com0
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I think it's implied that a conservative religious background is so intolerant as to drive someone to suicide.
My feelings on this whole sad situation are very mixed.
On the one hand, what these people did (taping him and streaming it) was very wrong. There is no defending it. That being said, would there be nearly the outrage if it had been a heterosexual couple? I don't think so. That's kind of like discrimination, eh?
Also, I don't see how you can punish them more than the letter of the law just because their actions SEEM to have driven the kid to suicide. I say SEEM because most actions/responses in life are usually the result of a multitude of existing conditions and rarely attributable to one single cause. Likely they were a part of it - and likely a big part - but probably not the whole reason he killed himself.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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:clap:know1 wrote:I think it's implied that a conservative religious background is so intolerant as to drive someone to suicide.
My feelings on this whole sad situation are very mixed.
On the one hand, what these people did (taping him and streaming it) was very wrong. There is no defending it. That being said, would there be nearly the outrage if it had been a heterosexual couple? I don't think so. That's kind of like discrimination, eh?
Also, I don't see how you can punish them more than the letter of the law just because their actions SEEM to have driven the kid to suicide. I say SEEM because most actions/responses in life are usually the result of a multitude of existing conditions and rarely attributable to one single cause. Likely they were a part of it - and likely a big part - but probably not the whole reason he killed himself.www.myspace.com0 -
know1 wrote:I think it's implied that a conservative religious background is so intolerant as to drive someone to suicide.
My feelings on this whole sad situation are very mixed.
On the one hand, what these people did (taping him and streaming it) was very wrong. There is no defending it. That being said, would there be nearly the outrage if it had been a heterosexual couple? I don't think so. That's kind of like discrimination, eh?
Also, I don't see how you can punish them more than the letter of the law just because their actions SEEM to have driven the kid to suicide. I say SEEM because most actions/responses in life are usually the result of a multitude of existing conditions and rarely attributable to one single cause. Likely they were a part of it - and likely a big part - but probably not the whole reason he killed himself.
I come from a conservative religious background and I can tell you that I was always encouraged to rely on my faith and the love of family to deal with hardships. Your assumptions are incorrect. I wager a suicide victim can come from any background. It is bigoted to say he was definitely a conservative and a christian.Bristow, VA (5/13/10)0 -
Electric_Delta wrote:know1 wrote:I think it's implied that a conservative religious background is so intolerant as to drive someone to suicide.
My feelings on this whole sad situation are very mixed.
On the one hand, what these people did (taping him and streaming it) was very wrong. There is no defending it. That being said, would there be nearly the outrage if it had been a heterosexual couple? I don't think so. That's kind of like discrimination, eh?
Also, I don't see how you can punish them more than the letter of the law just because their actions SEEM to have driven the kid to suicide. I say SEEM because most actions/responses in life are usually the result of a multitude of existing conditions and rarely attributable to one single cause. Likely they were a part of it - and likely a big part - but probably not the whole reason he killed himself.
I come from a conservative religious background and I can tell you that I was always encouraged to rely on my faith and the love of family to deal with hardships. Your assumptions are incorrect. I wager a suicide victim can come from any background. It is bigoted to say he was definitely a conservative and a christian.
most conservative religious families wouldn't accept the idea that their son was filmed having gay sex which was then transmitted onto the internet for all to see.... sorry to say that, but its very likely for the most part.
the hardships you are talking about are things like financial, emotional fallouts with a wife, stealing an apple... i doubt they include being secretly filmed on the internet being humped by a man bear.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
dunkman wrote:Electric_Delta wrote:know1 wrote:I think it's implied that a conservative religious background is so intolerant as to drive someone to suicide.
My feelings on this whole sad situation are very mixed.
On the one hand, what these people did (taping him and streaming it) was very wrong. There is no defending it. That being said, would there be nearly the outrage if it had been a heterosexual couple? I don't think so. That's kind of like discrimination, eh?
Also, I don't see how you can punish them more than the letter of the law just because their actions SEEM to have driven the kid to suicide. I say SEEM because most actions/responses in life are usually the result of a multitude of existing conditions and rarely attributable to one single cause. Likely they were a part of it - and likely a big part - but probably not the whole reason he killed himself.
I come from a conservative religious background and I can tell you that I was always encouraged to rely on my faith and the love of family to deal with hardships. Your assumptions are incorrect. I wager a suicide victim can come from any background. It is bigoted to say he was definitely a conservative and a christian.
most conservative religious families wouldn't accept the idea that their son was filmed having gay sex which was then transmitted onto the internet for all to see.... sorry to say that, but its very likely for the most part.
the hardships you are talking about are things like financial, emotional fallouts with a wife, stealing an apple... i doubt they include being secretly filmed on the internet being humped by a man bear.
Yeah, completely. You obviously understand the dynamics way better than I do. Thanks for enlightening me.Bristow, VA (5/13/10)0 -
81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276just to return to the military question that was asked a few pages back.
this one was a little tougher for me, and i had to sleep on it.
but you could argue, that these people made a choice to join the army (or whatever branch) and knew going in that there was a chance that might have to see battle action in a war zone and as well all know, war is hell. BUT, they still made that choice to join. I don't believe we have had a draft in some time. Now had they been drafted, i think the arguement wouldn't hold as much water. that said, i feel more for these guys than i do for the gay kid.
i have anouther one.
guy shots his wife and stepson than shoots himself because his umemployment benifits had run out and he didn't want to work for work. wife didn't work either, stepson was a carpet salesman with a 2year old kid. should i feel sad for this guy for committing suicide????81 is now off the air
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to postulate means to assume or suggest. its a basis for discussion as to whether something is true. it is not a definitive statement of fact.hear my name
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if people want to infer things that aren't necessarily said - that is your own position and really has nothing to do with me ... if you are a religious conservative and feel defensive about my comments - i can only say it was not meant to offend but simply to find out why someone would want to kill themselves after this incident ... perhaps, he was depressed over something else, a mental illness? ... i'm not so sure ...
but if you are gonna point to a group that is intolerant of homosexuality - it's religious conservatives ... heck, in montana, the GOP refuses to remove the section of their policy that would make homosexuality illegal ... and catholics consider homosexuality a sin ... so, if you live in a household like that - you are gonna be taught that homosexuality is bad ...
sooo ... what does the guy do when he's been outed like that? ...0 -
81 wrote:i have anouther one.
guy shots his wife and stepson than shoots himself because his umemployment benifits had run out and he didn't want to work for work. wife didn't work either, stepson was a carpet salesman with a 2year old kid. should i feel sad for this guy for committing suicide????
i know where you are coming from on most of this suicide part..
big difference with these 2 scenarios is that the young gay kid who was filmed was a victim of another person... he was a victim as such... the other guy was just a lazy mental fucker....oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
catefrances wrote:to postulate means to assume or suggest. its a basis for discussion as to whether something is true. it is not a definitive statement of fact.
yes ... and i requalified it with the word "theory" in a subsequent post ...
if we don't learn as a society from these things - his life would be in vain ... whatever the reason for this man to take his life - i would think that he wouldn't want anyone else to go through what he did ...0 -
81 wrote:just to return to the military question that was asked a few pages back.
this one was a little tougher for me, and i had to sleep on it.
but you could argue, that these people made a choice to join the army (or whatever branch) and knew going in that there was a chance that might have to see battle action in a war zone and as well all know, war is hell. BUT, they still made that choice to join. I don't believe we have had a draft in some time. Now had they been drafted, i think the arguement wouldn't hold as much water. that said, i feel more for these guys than i do for the gay kid.
i have anouther one.
guy shots his wife and stepson than shoots himself because his umemployment benifits had run out and he didn't want to work for work. wife didn't work either, stepson was a carpet salesman with a 2year old kid. should i feel sad for this guy for committing suicide????
hey ... you don't have to feel sad for anyone ... what you show compassion for is up to you and you alone ... the issue tho is that you address it with some objective understanding ...
if you goto any suicide prevention organization - they will address many of the perceptions you have of people who commit suicide ...
and i think your example is the kind of thinking that is ultimately false ... i don't think there is anyone out there who would kill himself and family simply because he doesn't want to work anymore ...0 -
dunkman wrote:most conservative religious families wouldn't accept the idea that their son was filmed having gay sex which was then transmitted onto the internet for all to see.... sorry to say that, but its very likely for the most part.
And you have facts to support this? I still think this is bashing.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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