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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    weekly updates on kolb all year. good stuff.
    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/movi ... _Vick.html

    OVERALL

    Obviously, the numbers pass the eyeball test. Vick was a much better quarterback than Kolb on Sunday.

    With that being said, anyone who is ready to write off Kolb's career based on 22 snaps, 10 pass attempts and one half of a football is going overboard. The Eagles traded their franchise quarterback to a division rival and paid Kolb $12.25M in guaranteed money. When he's healthy, he's going to start.

    As for Vick, the numbers could have been even better. He missed a few receivers and couldn't get the ball in the end zone on the play mentioned above. But he made some spectacular throws, was decisive and led the Eagles back. As was the case early in his career, Vick's legs are a weapon unmatched by any other quarterback in the league. Based on 31 drop-backs and 24 pass attempts, he looked like he could definitely start in the NFL.

    Having said that, now he will have to perform against a team that has seen him on film and is game-planning for him. I'm not saying he'll struggle against the Lions (he's likely to start), but this will be a better gauge of what kind of progress he's made in the last year.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Jeagler wrote:
    nate allen is up for rookie of the week.

    as i've said...dude's gonna be a BEAST

    apparently he was supposed to help hobbs over the top on the jennings TD

    other than the pick he had (which any of us could have caught), I didn't notice him much. how many tackles did he have?

    Hill can manage a game. He's not gonna singlehandedly win anything, but he should be able to get calvin johnson the ball.

    I think the eagles will win, but I think it's gonna be a close game. vick is garbage. Agree that kolb should sit
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    nate allen is up for rookie of the week.

    as i've said...dude's gonna be a BEAST

    apparently he was supposed to help hobbs over the top on the jennings TD

    other than the pick he had (which any of us could have caught), I didn't notice him much. how many tackles did he have?

    Hill can manage a game. He's not gonna singlehandedly win anything, but he should be able to get calvin johnson the ball.

    I think the eagles will win, but I think it's gonna be a close game. vick is garbage. Agree that kolb should sit

    2nd on the team with 5 tackles and a pick. not a bad start for the beast in the making...
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  • The Fixer
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    I could never root for the eagles to lose. I will say that it's gonna be tough to root for a vick-led team though. for a variety of reasons

    get well soon Kolb
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    The Fixer wrote:
    I could never root for the eagles to lose. I will say that it's gonna be tough to root for a vick-led team though. for a variety of reasons

    get well soon Kolb

    and yet you still love the big guy who brought him here. :lol:

    i hear ya.

    hopefully kolb's back next week. honestly if bradely's out, that's a bigger concern. there's a huge drop off with gaither in there.
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  • The Fixer
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    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I could never root for the eagles to lose. I will say that it's gonna be tough to root for a vick-led team though. for a variety of reasons

    get well soon Kolb

    and yet you still love the big guy who brought him here. :lol:

    i hear ya.

    hopefully kolb's back next week. honestly if bradely's out, that's a bigger concern. there's a huge drop off with gaither in there.

    yeah man, love reid, but I will never understand that move. I think he outsmarted himself by thinking he could parlay that signing into a high draft pick. I still think they should try to trade him now, but that's a pipe dream.

    eagles line up to 6
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I could never root for the eagles to lose. I will say that it's gonna be tough to root for a vick-led team though. for a variety of reasons

    get well soon Kolb

    and yet you still love the big guy who brought him here. :lol:

    i hear ya.

    hopefully kolb's back next week. honestly if bradely's out, that's a bigger concern. there's a huge drop off with gaither in there.

    yeah man, love reid, but I will never understand that move. I think he outsmarted himself by thinking he could parlay that signing into a high draft pick. I still think they should try to trade him now, but that's a pipe dream.

    eagles line up to 6

    if that line keeps moving up, i'm gonna make it a big play.

    nothing like a little week 2 match up of average-ish teams with back up quarterbacks to warrant a lil get together at the jeagler's house. got a pretty hefty crowd coming over sunday. my basement's got a pretty sweet set up for that stuff. weird thing is there will be at least 3 kids running amock amongst us drunks. getting old blows.

    oh...i got your texans check yesterday. sorry--i will get the tix out to you no later than tomorrow.
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  • The Fixer
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    The Jeagler wrote:

    if that line keeps moving up, i'm gonna make it a big play.

    nothing like a little week 2 match up of average-ish teams with back up quarterbacks to warrant a lil get together at the jeagler's house. got a pretty hefty crowd coming over sunday. my basement's got a pretty sweet set up for that stuff. weird thing is there will be at least 3 kids running amock amongst us drunks. getting old blows.

    oh...i got your texans check yesterday. sorry--i will get the tix out to you no later than tomorrow.

    big play on the birds??

    I hear you about the getting old stuff. Having kids at parties really makes you feel your age. I am playing in a fall softball league this year. Doubleheaders at 9 AM. We are sponsored by a bar which gives us free beer after softball so I'm sure I will be watching some games there after our games. I really hate watching the eagles out at bars...I'd much rather be at someone's house in a controlled environment so I can get a feel for what's going on. I'm like that for all big sporting events I'm not attending live.

    No worries about the tix. No rush. The earlier I get them the more time I have to lose them. :lol:
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:

    if that line keeps moving up, i'm gonna make it a big play.

    nothing like a little week 2 match up of average-ish teams with back up quarterbacks to warrant a lil get together at the jeagler's house. got a pretty hefty crowd coming over sunday. my basement's got a pretty sweet set up for that stuff. weird thing is there will be at least 3 kids running amock amongst us drunks. getting old blows.

    oh...i got your texans check yesterday. sorry--i will get the tix out to you no later than tomorrow.

    big play on the birds??

    I hear you about the getting old stuff. Having kids at parties really makes you feel your age. I am playing in a fall softball league this year. Doubleheaders at 9 AM. We are sponsored by a bar which gives us free beer after softball so I'm sure I will be watching some games there after our games. I really hate watching the eagles out at bars...I'd much rather be at someone's house in a controlled environment so I can get a feel for what's going on. I'm like that for all big sporting events I'm not attending live.

    No worries about the tix. No rush. The earlier I get them the more time I have to lose them. :lol:

    yeah i think vegas is trying to entice people to take the lions. i have a feeling the young bucks are excited to play with vick this week. really hoping bradley plays though. i dont think they've ruled him out officially yet. have they?

    i'm with you on the controlled environment...though it was fun watching the phils playoffs/ws games out at bars the last few years
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  • The Fixer
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    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:

    if that line keeps moving up, i'm gonna make it a big play.

    nothing like a little week 2 match up of average-ish teams with back up quarterbacks to warrant a lil get together at the jeagler's house. got a pretty hefty crowd coming over sunday. my basement's got a pretty sweet set up for that stuff. weird thing is there will be at least 3 kids running amock amongst us drunks. getting old blows.

    oh...i got your texans check yesterday. sorry--i will get the tix out to you no later than tomorrow.

    big play on the birds??

    I hear you about the getting old stuff. Having kids at parties really makes you feel your age. I am playing in a fall softball league this year. Doubleheaders at 9 AM. We are sponsored by a bar which gives us free beer after softball so I'm sure I will be watching some games there after our games. I really hate watching the eagles out at bars...I'd much rather be at someone's house in a controlled environment so I can get a feel for what's going on. I'm like that for all big sporting events I'm not attending live.

    No worries about the tix. No rush. The earlier I get them the more time I have to lose them. :lol:

    yeah i think vegas is trying to entice people to take the lions. i have a feeling the young bucks are excited to play with vick this week. really hoping bradley plays though. i dont think they've ruled him out officially yet. have they?

    i'm with you on the controlled environment...though it was fun watching the phils playoffs/ws games out at bars the last few years

    I will be shocked if bradley plays. His concussion looked a lot more serious than kolb's. Official injury reports are out today I believe.
  • The Juggler
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    bradely is apparently progressing better than kolb though...
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  • The Fixer
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    The Jeagler wrote:
    bradely is apparently progressing better than kolb though...

    interesting. I'd be careful. I know it's an important game coming off of a loss, but they need these guys for the rest of the season. and it is the lions.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,535
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    bradely is apparently progressing better than kolb though...

    interesting. I'd be careful. I know it's an important game coming off of a loss, but they need these guys for the rest of the season. and it is the lions.

    Exactly. And Bradley hits like a missile. I'm sure he could use the week off.
  • The Juggler
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    Source: Vick to start; Bradley, Kolb progress, but still out of practice
    Michael Vick will start Sunday against the Lions, according to a team source, confirming what was widely expected.

    Linebacker Stewart Bradley and quarterback Kevin Kolb both sat in team meetings today, a sign of progress after they were each concussed Sunday, but it still seems highly unlikely that either will play against Detroit.

    Bradley was seen doing light exercises in the Eagles training room, though neither player is expected to practice today.

    Even if team doctors clear the two, they would still need to get an OK from independent doctor to return to play.

    While the Eagles won't publicly commit to playing Vick as a starter against the Lions, coaches did say that Mike McGlynn will start at center and Omar Gaither will start at middle linebacker if Bradley is held out.

    Coordinators Marty Mornhinweg, Sean McDermott and Bobby April gave glimpses into their planning and concerns for their game this week.

    Mornhinweg stressed the challenge presented by the Lions' defensive line, which features defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch and defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. "Their front is just excellent and this will be a really good challenge for us."

    McDermott -- somewhat less convincingly -- played up the talent of Lions back up quarterback Shaun Hill, expected to start in place of the injured Matthew Stafford. "He's a veteran quarterback, so he has seen the blitz looks ... he has great football instincts, so I'm sure he's well prepared to do a good job."

    Bobby April, meanwhile, said his team has work to do on both kick off coverage and kick returns.

    The Eagles gave up long returns after several scores Sunday, giving the Packers the chance to strike back.

    "It was not good. The thing about that particular play, it's a critical play for a lot of reasons. It's the first defensive play of the series," April said. "We have a chance to literally establish the field position for our defensive football team with one single play, so it's critical that that one single play to determine that is good."

    On kick coverage, April said he needs to better detail his plans and a few individual players need to make better plays in coverage. Just one person getting of his block can stop a return short. The return game, April said, is tougher to address because a kick return requires 11 players working in unison. Despite averaging a start around the 30 yard line, April said that number was bolstered by a Packers' kick out of bounds.



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  • RW81233
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    Sorry I didn't respond sooner Jeags, been ripping knotty pine off my basement wall all week (which was a cathartic experience after last sunday's debacle for the cowboys), but anyway there were two reasons I don't like (but am glad you have Kolb) since the draft. One is that my good friend is a Memphis alum and watches all the conference games (or most anyway) and had suggested for several years that Kolb was a college system QB and wasn't that good, and I just took his info as good. Two, and this is admittedly much weaker than one, his highlights from college confirmed in my mind, what my friend said, all his passes seemed to be 10 yard outs from the shotgun that receivers turned into big plays. In time, that might work within the Eagles system, but I really just don't think he's an NFL QB. Still if you're willing to have a bad season it might be worth keeping him in there and giving him a shot once he gets back. On the other hand, if you want a shot at playoffs behind a decimated O-line Vick has to be the better choice.
  • The Juggler
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    RW81233 wrote:
    Sorry I didn't respond sooner Jeags, been ripping knotty pine off my basement wall all week (which was a cathartic experience after last sunday's debacle for the cowboys), but anyway there were two reasons I don't like (but am glad you have Kolb) since the draft. One is that my good friend is a Memphis alum and watches all the conference games (or most anyway) and had suggested for several years that Kolb was a college system QB and wasn't that good, and I just took his info as good. Two, and this is admittedly much weaker than one, his highlights from college confirmed in my mind, what my friend said, all his passes seemed to be 10 yard outs from the shotgun that receivers turned into big plays. In time, that might work within the Eagles system, but I really just don't think he's an NFL QB. Still if you're willing to have a bad season it might be worth keeping him in there and giving him a shot once he gets back. On the other hand, if you want a shot at playoffs behind a decimated O-line Vick has to be the better choice.

    ripping knotty pine off your basement wall sounds like an awful time!

    fair enough. and you may end up being right but we have to find out sooner or later. there's also plenty of reasons listed in this thread why he may work out. i dont feel like listing them again :mrgreen: .....one thing is certain--big andy's job is riding on him succeeding. so it shoudl be interesting regardless.

    think the cowboys are gonna cover? line seems kinda high to me...
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  • RW81233
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    Cowboys covering...hmmm. If this team is as good as I think they are they win 31-10. They are getting Kosier and Columbo back which means only 1.5 holding penalties this week at inopportune times instead of 4.5, thereby killing 3 less drives that go 50 yards to nowhere. Everyone else is healthy and pressuring Cutler usually leads to good things for the other team. On the other hand, and I won't be shocked if this is true, the Cowboys could just straight suck. They wouldn't suck because they don't have the talent, but because they are undisciplined. That is worse to me than rooting for someone that rebuilding towards something, because we have every piece in place to be a great squad:
    Romo is a top-10 QB (probably closer to 10 than I'd like to admit), 3 good RBs, a good TE (I like him less than most), 2-3 good wideouts (Austin is always open somehow), great defense, a good Kick off specialist, and a good punter (field goal kicking is not to be discussed right now).

    If this doesn't work then we can't really get any better so the Cowboys will be stuck in Eagles-like purgatory too good to suck enough to get better, and too bad to win anything.
  • The Fixer
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    a vick-led eagles team getting to the playoffs doesn't help anything. it gives them an early playoff exit and middle of the road draft pick. vick isn't their qb of the future, he's a waste of space.

    why the cowboys? I see you're from towson. I'm a towson grad. last time I checked that was a long ways from dallas

    towson/nova tomorrow jeags. towson coming off of a tough 5 OT win last week
  • The Juggler
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    The Fixer wrote:
    a vick-led eagles team getting to the playoffs doesn't help anything. it gives them an early playoff exit and middle of the road draft pick. vick isn't their qb of the future, he's a waste of space.

    why the cowboys? I see you're from towson. I'm a towson grad. last time I checked that was a long ways from dallas

    towson/nova tomorrow jeags. towson coming off of a tough 5 OT win last week

    go cats....

    i just mailed off your tix. thanks again
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  • The Fixer
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    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    a vick-led eagles team getting to the playoffs doesn't help anything. it gives them an early playoff exit and middle of the road draft pick. vick isn't their qb of the future, he's a waste of space.

    why the cowboys? I see you're from towson. I'm a towson grad. last time I checked that was a long ways from dallas

    towson/nova tomorrow jeags. towson coming off of a tough 5 OT win last week

    go cats....

    i just mailed off your tix. thanks again

    cool, thanks.

    kolb and bradley both ruled out sunday. no surprise there

    nova should win by 25+. only thing towson football program has going for it is the starting LT on the SB champs
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