It's tough to think about Andre Waters living out his days depressed & brain damaged and in constant pain. Anybody ever read Bringing the Heat? Great book about the 1992 Eagles. Wow, those were some stories.
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I don't know how you say that Reid is right there with Tomlin, Payton, Coughlin or Shanahan. All those guys have Super Bowl wins, regardless of their current status(Shanahan).
I think he is way better than Fisher, though. What the hell has that guy done?
because I'm not sure how winning one extra game one time makes you automatically better. Situations are different for every coach and organization (see Tomlin being apart of one of the best organizations when hired and Reid being at one of the worst when he was hired). Coughlin and Shanahan have had average or slightly better than average careers other than 1 or 2 years. Shanahan walked into a situation with a Hall of Fame QB and won but has done absolutely nothing otherwise. Peyton and Tomlin still too young to evaluate although I do think both are top level coaches and will be around a long time. and call me crazy but i believe Reid is going to win one eventually because he is too good of a coach not to have things go his way one year one time at least, but that's just my opinion.
I don't know how you say that Reid is right there with Tomlin, Payton, Coughlin or Shanahan. All those guys have Super Bowl wins, regardless of their current status(Shanahan).
I think he is way better than Fisher, though. What the hell has that guy done?
because I'm not sure how winning one extra game one time makes you automatically better. Situations are different for every coach and organization (see Tomlin being apart of one of the best organizations when hired and Reid being at one of the worst when he was hired). Coughlin and Shanahan have had average or slightly better than average careers other than 1 or 2 years. Shanahan walked into a situation with a Hall of Fame QB and won but has done absolutely nothing otherwise. Peyton and Tomlin still too young to evaluate although I do think both are top level coaches and will be around a long time. and call me crazy but i believe Reid is going to win one eventually because he is too good of a coach not to have things go his way one year one time at least, but that's just my opinion.
fixer compared him to marv levy and dan reeves yesterday. decent comparison until you consider those two are a combined 8-0 in championship games and reid is 1-4.
he's a good coach dude. let's leave it at that until he, hopefully, gets over the hump.
Andy Reid is a good coach very very very far away from a great one. This is a huge game for us since splitting with wash is what was expected. The Ind game was huge for us and when we beat wash i see a great game against the giants coming. I have to admit that Vick wasn't my favorite but with the way he's playing signing him to an extension might have to happen sooner the later. Jackson is a flat out beast when healthy and vicks legs make him even better,these two together are gonna lite up the league. If we could get Celek going underneath then this off could almost be unstoppable.
GO BIRDS Eagles 27 Skins 13!!!!!!!
I don't know how you say that Reid is right there with Tomlin, Payton, Coughlin or Shanahan. All those guys have Super Bowl wins, regardless of their current status(Shanahan).
I think he is way better than Fisher, though. What the hell has that guy done?
because I'm not sure how winning one extra game one time makes you automatically better. Situations are different for every coach and organization (see Tomlin being apart of one of the best organizations when hired and Reid being at one of the worst when he was hired). Coughlin and Shanahan have had average or slightly better than average careers other than 1 or 2 years. Shanahan walked into a situation with a Hall of Fame QB and won but has done absolutely nothing otherwise. Peyton and Tomlin still too young to evaluate although I do think both are top level coaches and will be around a long time. and call me crazy but i believe Reid is going to win one eventually because he is too good of a coach not to have things go his way one year one time at least, but that's just my opinion.
fixer compared him to marv levy and dan reeves yesterday. decent comparison until you consider those two are a combined 8-0 in championship games and reid is 1-4.
he's a good coach dude. let's leave it at that until he, hopefully, gets over the hump.
reid had to play those title games with mcnabb at qb though. he was fighting with 1 hand tied behind his back.
that problem has been resolved. now we'll see what happens
because I'm not sure how winning one extra game one time makes you automatically better. Situations are different for every coach and organization (see Tomlin being apart of one of the best organizations when hired and Reid being at one of the worst when he was hired). Coughlin and Shanahan have had average or slightly better than average careers other than 1 or 2 years. Shanahan walked into a situation with a Hall of Fame QB and won but has done absolutely nothing otherwise. Peyton and Tomlin still too young to evaluate although I do think both are top level coaches and will be around a long time. and call me crazy but i believe Reid is going to win one eventually because he is too good of a coach not to have things go his way one year one time at least, but that's just my opinion.
fixer compared him to marv levy and dan reeves yesterday. decent comparison until you consider those two are a combined 8-0 in championship games and reid is 1-4.
he's a good coach dude. let's leave it at that until he, hopefully, gets over the hump.
reid had to play those title games with mcnabb at qb though. he was fighting with 1 hand tied behind his back.
that problem has been resolved. now we'll see what happens
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
we'll see what happens.
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR for baseball) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart. It's like the old saying about pornography - i can't necessarily define it but i know it when i see it.
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
we'll see what happens.
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart.
haha, you beat me to it. I love how he says coaches need to win a SB to be considered great, but QBs don't.
he's a blind mcnabb loyalist. not sure why
just bustin your balls jeags. really don't get your love for mcnabb though
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
we'll see what happens.
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR for baseball) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart. It's like the old saying about pornography - i can't necessarily define it but i know it when i see it.
Also, I never said OPS and WAR define greatness. They just give the most accurate view of a player's all around performance on the field. this explains why ryan howard's WAR this year was equal to an average MLB player...though he sure looked below average vs the reds and giants. luckily he is signed for 7 more seasons at 25 mill per. ah, serenity now
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
we'll see what happens.
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR for baseball) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart. It's like the old saying about pornography - i can't necessarily define it but i know it when i see it.
no. i did not say levy and reeves were great. fixer did. and i think you did too.
all i said was you could maybe make an argument for levy, and perhaps reeves. then i said it would be difficult to include reid in that same argument because he's only won one conference championship and those guys each were 4-0.
and i don't believe wins and losses is the same criteria as sabermetrics.
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
we'll see what happens.
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart.
haha, you beat me to it. I love how he says coaches need to win a SB to be considered great, but QBs don't.
he's a blind mcnabb loyalist. not sure why
just bustin your balls jeags. really don't get your love for mcnabb though
if you're referring to mcnabb, you're wrong again. he's a good quarterback. not great. good. never called him great...
consistency, my friend. when you think of the jeagler, think consistency.
if you're referring to mcnabb, you're wrong again. he's a good quarterback. not great. good. never called him great...
consistency, my friend. when you think of the jeagler, think consistency.
either way, a coach or player can be great without ever winning a SB. marino, reid, moon, etc.
as we've discovered here it is a lot easier to name great players who not won a championship. but it is pretty damn hard to name a great coach who has not won one.
if you're referring to mcnabb, you're wrong again. he's a good quarterback. not great. good. never called him great...
consistency, my friend. when you think of the jeagler, think consistency.
either way, a coach or player can be great without ever winning a SB. marino, reid, moon, etc.
as we've discovered here it is a lot easier to name great players who not won a championship. but it is pretty damn hard to name a great coach who has not won one.
I'd agree with that. luckily for us, we have one of those great coaches in philadelphia right now!!
either way, a coach or player can be great without ever winning a SB. marino, reid, moon, etc.
as we've discovered here it is a lot easier to name great players who not won a championship. but it is pretty damn hard to name a great coach who has not won one.
I'd agree with that. luckily for us, we have one of those great coaches in philadelphia right now!!
gee, you'd think a great coach wouldn't be making the same clock management blunders 12 years into his career...but okay--if you say so! apparently the greatness bar has been lowered
seriously--i don't see why you guys have such a problem with someone calling reid a good coach. boggles my mind. anyway. big game on monday. GO BIRDS!
I'd agree with that. luckily for us, we have one of those great coaches in philadelphia right now!!
gee, you'd think a great coach wouldn't be making the same clock management blunders 12 years into his career...but okay--if you say so! apparently the greatness bar has been lowered
seriously--i don't see why you guys have such a problem with someone calling reid a good coach. boggles my mind. anyway. big game on monday. GO BIRDS!
I'd be curious to see how many points the eagles have scored in 2 minute offense situations this year. THen compare this year to previous years. As Shanahan has pointed out, mcnabb can't run a 2 minute drill to save his life (peter king backed this up in his column last week...mcnabb has scored 3 points in 4 games when his team had the ball in the 4th qtr with 2 mins left, and were tied or losing...he's just inept when the pressure is on him). kolb and garcia have both shown the abiltity to do so in reid's offense (christ even AJ Feely did it better than mcnabb).
Not saying that reid is a master with clock management, but again, I think mcnabb was more of the problem than reid in terms of the 2 minute drill/clock management
Andy Reid is a good coach,he's far from great. Great is a big big word when being used in that text. I will use the word great for Reid once,Andy Reid is a GREAT coach after a bye week.
Andy Reid is a good coach,he's far from great. Great is a big big word when being used in that text. I will use the word great for Reid once,Andy Reid is a GREAT coach after a bye week.
I'd agree with that. luckily for us, we have one of those great coaches in philadelphia right now!!
gee, you'd think a great coach wouldn't be making the same clock management blunders 12 years into his career...but okay--if you say so! apparently the greatness bar has been lowered
seriously--i don't see why you guys have such a problem with someone calling reid a good coach. boggles my mind. anyway. big game on monday. GO BIRDS!
I'd be curious to see how many points the eagles have scored in 2 minute offense situations this year. THen compare this year to previous years. As Shanahan has pointed out, mcnabb can't run a 2 minute drill to save his life (peter king backed this up in his column last week...mcnabb has scored 3 points in 4 games when his team had the ball in the 4th qtr with 2 mins left, and were tied or losing...he's just inept when the pressure is on him). kolb and garcia have both shown the abiltity to do so in reid's offense (christ even AJ Feely did it better than mcnabb).
Not saying that reid is a master with clock management, but again, I think mcnabb was more of the problem than reid in terms of the 2 minute drill/clock management
what does that have to do with reid mismanaging timeouts? would a great coach start off the season the way he did with both qb's against green bay? would a great coach completely lose track of time in the waning minutes of the first half of that redskins game? those were two crucial, and dumb, mistakes a coach in his 12th season should not be making.
even on sunday. we used up all of our first half time outs with more than 5 minutes remaining in the half. we talked about the stupid challenge that cost him a time out in the second half also. this shit happens all the time. at least he's somewhat more committed to running the ball this year. i will give him a little credit for that. we had a 7 minute drive in the 4th quarter that didn't score any points but ate up a huge amount of clock.
Andy Reid is a good coach,he's far from great. Great is a big big word when being used in that text. I will use the word great for Reid once,Andy Reid is a GREAT coach after a bye week.
great at making the playoffs
great at winning in first round of playoffs
best thing to ever happen to the eagles franchise
1. Thats correct if making the playoffs was the ultimate goal.
2. Same as above.
3. He is one of the better things but not the best thing. He's a damn good coach that's obvious,but he's not great YET.
I'd be curious to see how many points the eagles have scored in 2 minute offense situations this year. THen compare this year to previous years. As Shanahan has pointed out, mcnabb can't run a 2 minute drill to save his life (peter king backed this up in his column last week...mcnabb has scored 3 points in 4 games when his team had the ball in the 4th qtr with 2 mins left, and were tied or losing...he's just inept when the pressure is on him). kolb and garcia have both shown the abiltity to do so in reid's offense (christ even AJ Feely did it better than mcnabb).
Not saying that reid is a master with clock management, but again, I think mcnabb was more of the problem than reid in terms of the 2 minute drill/clock management
what does that have to do with reid mismanaging timeouts? would a great coach start off the season the way he did with both qb's against green bay? would a great coach completely lose track of time in the waning minutes of the first half of that redskins game? those were two crucial, and dumb, mistakes a coach in his 12th season should not be making.
even on sunday. we used up all of our first half time outs with more than 5 minutes remaining in the half. we talked about the stupid challenge that cost him a time out in the second half also. this shit happens all the time. at least he's somewhat more committed to running the ball this year. i will give him a little credit for that. we had a 7 minute drive in the 4th quarter that didn't score any points but ate up a huge amount of clock.
he's not a great coach dude.
I don't see how you can knock him for his management of the QB situation. if anything he should be praised. kolb is his guy and he put him on the bench because vick gives them the best chance to win. I think his handling of that situation has been incredible (I still have trouble rooting for vick, but he's the guy that should be playing).
the clock stuff is fair. we'll see what happens over the next few years. reid is still one of the 3 best coaches in the NFL. period
what does that have to do with reid mismanaging timeouts? would a great coach start off the season the way he did with both qb's against green bay? would a great coach completely lose track of time in the waning minutes of the first half of that redskins game? those were two crucial, and dumb, mistakes a coach in his 12th season should not be making.
even on sunday. we used up all of our first half time outs with more than 5 minutes remaining in the half. we talked about the stupid challenge that cost him a time out in the second half also. this shit happens all the time. at least he's somewhat more committed to running the ball this year. i will give him a little credit for that. we had a 7 minute drive in the 4th quarter that didn't score any points but ate up a huge amount of clock.
he's not a great coach dude.
I don't see how you can knock him for his management of the QB situation. if anything he should be praised. kolb is his guy and he put him on the bench because vick gives them the best chance to win. I think his handling of that situation has been incredible (I still have trouble rooting for vick, but he's the guy that should be playing).
the clock stuff is fair. we'll see what happens over the next few years. reid is still one of the 3 best coaches in the NFL. period
go back a few pages in this thread. you ripped him for the way he handled the qb situation against green bay also. the way that game/this season started was an absolute abortion. that needs to be seperated from what happened in the weeks after that. for all we know, he'd still be starting kolb and utilizing vick as the stupid wildcat every other play if kolb didn't get hurt. i agree he's made the right choice with vick. i think kolb is traded in the offseason, assuming this year plays out the way i think it will. kolb is average at best.
always said reid's in top 5 or so in the league. the league is filled with horrendous coaches. that does not make him great, in my mind though.
what does that have to do with reid mismanaging timeouts? would a great coach start off the season the way he did with both qb's against green bay? would a great coach completely lose track of time in the waning minutes of the first half of that redskins game? those were two crucial, and dumb, mistakes a coach in his 12th season should not be making.
even on sunday. we used up all of our first half time outs with more than 5 minutes remaining in the half. we talked about the stupid challenge that cost him a time out in the second half also. this shit happens all the time. at least he's somewhat more committed to running the ball this year. i will give him a little credit for that. we had a 7 minute drive in the 4th quarter that didn't score any points but ate up a huge amount of clock.
he's not a great coach dude.
I don't see how you can knock him for his management of the QB situation. if anything he should be praised. kolb is his guy and he put him on the bench because vick gives them the best chance to win. I think his handling of that situation has been incredible (I still have trouble rooting for vick, but he's the guy that should be playing).
the clock stuff is fair. we'll see what happens over the next few years. reid is still one of the 3 best coaches in the NFL. period
go back a few pages in this thread. you ripped him for the way he handled the qb situation against green bay also. the way that game/this season started was an absolute abortion. that needs to be seperated from what happened in the weeks after that. for all we know, he'd still be starting kolb and utilizing vick as the stupid wildcat every other play if kolb didn't get hurt. i agree he's made the right choice with vick. i think kolb is traded in the offseason, assuming this year plays out the way i think it will. kolb is average at best.
always said reid's in top 5 or so in the league. the league is filled with horrendous coaches. that does not make him great, in my mind though.
gb was the opening game dude. kolb started and got hurt, so vick came in. there is nothing to rip. you are confused brotha
verdict is still out on kolb. I need more than 4 games to make a determination one way or another
EDIT: just realized you're talking about me ripping the wildcat nonsense. gotcha. I hated that shit from the beginning.
I really just don't like vick as a person or a football player. anyone else notice how long he holds the ball when he drops back?
I don't see how you can knock him for his management of the QB situation. if anything he should be praised. kolb is his guy and he put him on the bench because vick gives them the best chance to win. I think his handling of that situation has been incredible (I still have trouble rooting for vick, but he's the guy that should be playing).
the clock stuff is fair. we'll see what happens over the next few years. reid is still one of the 3 best coaches in the NFL. period
go back a few pages in this thread. you ripped him for the way he handled the qb situation against green bay also. the way that game/this season started was an absolute abortion. that needs to be seperated from what happened in the weeks after that. for all we know, he'd still be starting kolb and utilizing vick as the stupid wildcat every other play if kolb didn't get hurt. i agree he's made the right choice with vick. i think kolb is traded in the offseason, assuming this year plays out the way i think it will. kolb is average at best.
always said reid's in top 5 or so in the league. the league is filled with horrendous coaches. that does not make him great, in my mind though.
gb was the opening game dude. kolb started and got hurt, so vick came in. there is nothing to rip. you are confused brotha
verdict is still out on kolb. I need more than 4 games to make a determination one way or another
EDIT: just realized you're talking about me ripping the wildcat nonsense. gotcha. I hated that shit from the beginning.
I really just don't like vick as a person or a football player. anyone else notice how long he holds the ball when he drops back?
are you suffering from short term memory loss? the game started with us using the wildcat. i think reid had vick lined up as a wideout on our first play from scrimmage this year. HORRENDOUS.
are you suffering from short term memory loss? the game started with us using the wildcat. i think reid had vick lined up as a wideout on our first play from scrimmage this year. HORRENDOUS.
if you watched every move of every coach in the game you'd have chances to rip everyone at some point including the greatest coaches of all time. none are perfect or make the right moves all the time. Remember Bellichick was considered a failure in Cleveland, was ambling along before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady took over (and he started cheating). no coach is flawless. to pick out one play from one game is stupid.
are you suffering from short term memory loss? the game started with us using the wildcat. i think reid had vick lined up as a wideout on our first play from scrimmage this year. HORRENDOUS.
if you watched every move of every coach in the game you'd have chances to rip everyone at some point including the greatest coaches of all time. none are perfect or make the right moves all the time. Remember Bellichick was considered a failure in Cleveland, was ambling along before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady took over (and he started cheating). no coach is flawless. to pick out one play from one game is stupid.
good point. also worth noting in your example that it appears belichek learned from the mistakes he made early in his coaching career. reid continues to make the same mistakes year in, year out.
and i picked out 2 games from just this season...which is only 8 games old at this point.
are you suffering from short term memory loss? the game started with us using the wildcat. i think reid had vick lined up as a wideout on our first play from scrimmage this year. HORRENDOUS.
if you watched every move of every coach in the game you'd have chances to rip everyone at some point including the greatest coaches of all time. none are perfect or make the right moves all the time. Remember Bellichick was considered a failure in Cleveland, was ambling along before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady took over (and he started cheating). no coach is flawless. to pick out one play from one game is stupid.
good point. also worth noting in your example that it appears belichek learned from the mistakes he made early in his coaching career. reid continues to make the same mistakes year in, year out.
and i picked out 2 games from just this season...which is only 8 games old at this point.
yup he learned to get his starting QB hurt and miracle of miracles insert one of the 3-5 best QBs of all time - luck and cheating (convicted) had nothing to do with Belichek's (still no clue how to spell his name so i apologize for that) rise to immortality.
if you watched every move of every coach in the game you'd have chances to rip everyone at some point including the greatest coaches of all time. none are perfect or make the right moves all the time. Remember Bellichick was considered a failure in Cleveland, was ambling along before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady took over (and he started cheating). no coach is flawless. to pick out one play from one game is stupid.
good point. also worth noting in your example that it appears belichek learned from the mistakes he made early in his coaching career. reid continues to make the same mistakes year in, year out.
and i picked out 2 games from just this season...which is only 8 games old at this point.
yup he learned to get his starting QB hurt and miracle of miracles insert one of the 3-5 best QBs of all time - luck and cheating (convicted) had nothing to do with Belichek's (still no clue how to spell his name so i apologize for that) rise to immortality.
that's it. that is all bill belichek ever did.
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That team was cursed.
It's tough to think about Andre Waters living out his days depressed & brain damaged and in constant pain. Anybody ever read Bringing the Heat? Great book about the 1992 Eagles. Wow, those were some stories.
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because I'm not sure how winning one extra game one time makes you automatically better. Situations are different for every coach and organization (see Tomlin being apart of one of the best organizations when hired and Reid being at one of the worst when he was hired). Coughlin and Shanahan have had average or slightly better than average careers other than 1 or 2 years. Shanahan walked into a situation with a Hall of Fame QB and won but has done absolutely nothing otherwise. Peyton and Tomlin still too young to evaluate although I do think both are top level coaches and will be around a long time. and call me crazy but i believe Reid is going to win one eventually because he is too good of a coach not to have things go his way one year one time at least, but that's just my opinion.
fixer compared him to marv levy and dan reeves yesterday. decent comparison until you consider those two are a combined 8-0 in championship games and reid is 1-4.
he's a good coach dude. let's leave it at that until he, hopefully, gets over the hump.
GO BIRDS Eagles 27 Skins 13!!!!!!!
reid had to play those title games with mcnabb at qb though. he was fighting with 1 hand tied behind his back.
that problem has been resolved. now we'll see what happens
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
we'll see what happens.
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR for baseball) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart. It's like the old saying about pornography - i can't necessarily define it but i know it when i see it.
haha, you beat me to it. I love how he says coaches need to win a SB to be considered great, but QBs don't.
he's a blind mcnabb loyalist. not sure why
just bustin your balls jeags. really don't get your love for mcnabb though
Also, I never said OPS and WAR define greatness. They just give the most accurate view of a player's all around performance on the field. this explains why ryan howard's WAR this year was equal to an average MLB player...though he sure looked below average vs the reds and giants. luckily he is signed for 7 more seasons at 25 mill per. ah, serenity now
no. i did not say levy and reeves were great. fixer did. and i think you did too.
all i said was you could maybe make an argument for levy, and perhaps reeves. then i said it would be difficult to include reid in that same argument because he's only won one conference championship and those guys each were 4-0.
and i don't believe wins and losses is the same criteria as sabermetrics.
my criteria is, and has always been the same.
good. not great. hopefully that changes.
if you're referring to mcnabb, you're wrong again. he's a good quarterback. not great. good. never called him great...
consistency, my friend. when you think of the jeagler, think consistency.
either way, a coach or player can be great without ever winning a SB. marino, reid, moon, etc.
as we've discovered here it is a lot easier to name great players who not won a championship. but it is pretty damn hard to name a great coach who has not won one.
I'd agree with that. luckily for us, we have one of those great coaches in philadelphia right now!!
gee, you'd think a great coach wouldn't be making the same clock management blunders 12 years into his career...but okay--if you say so! apparently the greatness bar has been lowered
seriously--i don't see why you guys have such a problem with someone calling reid a good coach. boggles my mind. anyway. big game on monday. GO BIRDS!
I'd be curious to see how many points the eagles have scored in 2 minute offense situations this year. THen compare this year to previous years. As Shanahan has pointed out, mcnabb can't run a 2 minute drill to save his life (peter king backed this up in his column last week...mcnabb has scored 3 points in 4 games when his team had the ball in the 4th qtr with 2 mins left, and were tied or losing...he's just inept when the pressure is on him). kolb and garcia have both shown the abiltity to do so in reid's offense (christ even AJ Feely did it better than mcnabb).
Not saying that reid is a master with clock management, but again, I think mcnabb was more of the problem than reid in terms of the 2 minute drill/clock management
great at making the playoffs
great at winning in first round of playoffs
best thing to ever happen to the eagles franchise
what does that have to do with reid mismanaging timeouts? would a great coach start off the season the way he did with both qb's against green bay? would a great coach completely lose track of time in the waning minutes of the first half of that redskins game? those were two crucial, and dumb, mistakes a coach in his 12th season should not be making.
even on sunday. we used up all of our first half time outs with more than 5 minutes remaining in the half. we talked about the stupid challenge that cost him a time out in the second half also. this shit happens all the time. at least he's somewhat more committed to running the ball this year. i will give him a little credit for that. we had a 7 minute drive in the 4th quarter that didn't score any points but ate up a huge amount of clock.
he's not a great coach dude.
2. Same as above.
3. He is one of the better things but not the best thing. He's a damn good coach that's obvious,but he's not great YET.
I don't see how you can knock him for his management of the QB situation. if anything he should be praised. kolb is his guy and he put him on the bench because vick gives them the best chance to win. I think his handling of that situation has been incredible (I still have trouble rooting for vick, but he's the guy that should be playing).
the clock stuff is fair. we'll see what happens over the next few years. reid is still one of the 3 best coaches in the NFL. period
go back a few pages in this thread. you ripped him for the way he handled the qb situation against green bay also. the way that game/this season started was an absolute abortion. that needs to be seperated from what happened in the weeks after that. for all we know, he'd still be starting kolb and utilizing vick as the stupid wildcat every other play if kolb didn't get hurt. i agree he's made the right choice with vick. i think kolb is traded in the offseason, assuming this year plays out the way i think it will. kolb is average at best.
always said reid's in top 5 or so in the league. the league is filled with horrendous coaches. that does not make him great, in my mind though.
gb was the opening game dude. kolb started and got hurt, so vick came in. there is nothing to rip. you are confused brotha
verdict is still out on kolb. I need more than 4 games to make a determination one way or another
EDIT: just realized you're talking about me ripping the wildcat nonsense. gotcha. I hated that shit from the beginning.
I really just don't like vick as a person or a football player. anyone else notice how long he holds the ball when he drops back?
are you suffering from short term memory loss? the game started with us using the wildcat. i think reid had vick lined up as a wideout on our first play from scrimmage this year. HORRENDOUS.
if you watched every move of every coach in the game you'd have chances to rip everyone at some point including the greatest coaches of all time. none are perfect or make the right moves all the time. Remember Bellichick was considered a failure in Cleveland, was ambling along before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady took over (and he started cheating). no coach is flawless. to pick out one play from one game is stupid.
good point. also worth noting in your example that it appears belichek learned from the mistakes he made early in his coaching career. reid continues to make the same mistakes year in, year out.
and i picked out 2 games from just this season...which is only 8 games old at this point.
yup he learned to get his starting QB hurt and miracle of miracles insert one of the 3-5 best QBs of all time - luck and cheating (convicted) had nothing to do with Belichek's (still no clue how to spell his name so i apologize for that) rise to immortality.
that's it. that is all bill belichek ever did.
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Name me a good to great coach without a stud QB for most of his career ?
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