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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    It's called going from dancing with the beat chick to all of a sudden going out with the playmate of the year. Spoils the mind. Everyone needs a kick in the balls I think. Remember where they're at. That's why a piece of my hopes they take a step back this year.

    the definition of crazy talk.

    take your own advice: remember where we're at, where we came from, and remember this ain't gonna last forever man.

    Nope. It won't last forever? You're joking right? Ya know what the Phils realized when they opened up that new ballpark in 2004? That they couldn't hide behind the notion of being a small market team - WHEN YOUR TEAM PLAYS IN THE 4TH LARGEST MEDIA MARKET IN THE COUNTRY.

    As long as they keep the right guys in player development and continue to make a commitment to spending money, they'll never be a team that lays in the doldrums again. I don't think people understand this anymore because they're not used to it. THAT is what people have to get used to. This team is on the border of brand expansion in the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Cubs.

    Speaking of player development. Did you guys see the article that the Phillies have not been putting much money into international scouting in recent years? Now that might be the biggest mistake Amaro is making.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    To anwser cliffys question I'd say Josh Johnson or Cliff Lee. I'm sure Strausburg deserves a lot of consideration but he could blow his arm out tonight with the way he pitches.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Man crush is aside. They're about the same age - Lee I believe is a year or two younger. Their long term projections would be very similar. Only reason I would say otherwise is Halladay's logged more innings. Better repertoire of pitches, and a smarter pitcher I believe.

    I get it, I get it. You're getting him next year - the beauty of Yankee fans and why they're easily hated: "Yeah, he's pretty freakin sweet, we'll just get him next year." Load 'em up, boys.

    Yeah, I think lee may be a year younger but he definitely has a lot less innings. Honestly, because of what you mention in ages, I would take Felix or Lester over either of them long term.

    That's not why I brought up that question. Was just curious.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    the definition of crazy talk.

    take your own advice: remember where we're at, where we came from, and remember this ain't gonna last forever man.

    Nope. It won't last forever? You're joking right? Ya know what the Phils realized when they opened up that new ballpark in 2004? That they couldn't hide behind the notion of being a small market team - WHEN YOUR TEAM PLAYS IN THE 4TH LARGEST MEDIA MARKET IN THE COUNTRY.

    As long as they keep the right guys in player development and continue to make a commitment to spending money, they'll never be a team that lays in the doldrums again. I don't think people understand this anymore because they're not used to it. THAT is what people have to get used to. This team is on the border of brand expansion in the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Cubs.

    i'm talking about this nucleus dude. i don't see why you'd want to take a step back when the window for these current players is the next few years.

    This nucleus is what is, man. Do you honestly think this team can win it all this year - with this nucleus? And do you think any move Amaro makes in the next 4 days will exponentially increase those chances? Because this nucleus is still in place for the next few years, and I see a decision being made now only hindering that nucleus going forward. Play with what you got this year, win or lose, get a pitcher and an outfielder in the offseason.

    Of course I want to win it all, but if taking a step back this year takes everyone down a peg or two then I'm all for it. Ah, who am I kidding, people are fucking nuts in this city.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    jamminpearls wrote:
    To anwser cliffys question I'd say Josh Johnson or Cliff Lee. I'm sure Strausburg deserves a lot of consideration but he could blow his arm out tonight with the way he pitches.

    Fuck me, I didn't even think of Johnson. Yeah, Lester, Felix or Johnson. Probably Johnson or Lester then Felix for me.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Rollins out tonight.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Man crush is aside. They're about the same age - Lee I believe is a year or two younger. Their long term projections would be very similar. Only reason I would say otherwise is Halladay's logged more innings. Better repertoire of pitches, and a smarter pitcher I believe.

    I get it, I get it. You're getting him next year - the beauty of Yankee fans and why they're easily hated: "Yeah, he's pretty freakin sweet, we'll just get him next year." Load 'em up, boys.

    Yeah, I think lee may be a year younger but he definitely has a lot less innings. Honestly, because of what you mention in ages, I would take Felix or Lester over either of them long term.

    That's not why I brought up that question. Was just curious.

    Yeah, well if I had my choosings then I'm taking Grienke. But we're talking about Lee and Halladay. Look at Halladay's stats with a guy on base, and then with a man in scoring position. They get better and better. He just knows how to pitch - fastball, cut, sinker, curve, change. The only thing I might knock Doc on this year, is he doesn't utilize all of his pitches in a game. Sometimes it'll be more cut/change, then sink/curve in another. Never using all 5 in one game.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Speaking of player development. Did you guys see the article that the Phillies have not been putting much money into international scouting in recent years? Now that might be the biggest mistake Amaro is making.

    And I did read this - forget where though. They say it's part of the sacrifice in being able to raise payroll in the majors. I'm sure it's significant to an extent, but I don't think as significant as some make it out to be.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    edited July 2010
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Man crush is aside. They're about the same age - Lee I believe is a year or two younger. Their long term projections would be very similar. Only reason I would say otherwise is Halladay's logged more innings. Better repertoire of pitches, and a smarter pitcher I believe.

    I get it, I get it. You're getting him next year - the beauty of Yankee fans and why they're easily hated: "Yeah, he's pretty freakin sweet, we'll just get him next year." Load 'em up, boys.

    Yeah, I think lee may be a year younger but he definitely has a lot less innings. Honestly, because of what you mention in ages, I would take Felix or Lester over either of them long term.

    That's not why I brought up that question. Was just curious.

    Yeah, well if I had my choosings then I'm taking Grienke. But we're talking about Lee and Halladay. Look at Halladay's stats with a guy on base, and then with a man in scoring position. They get better and better. He just knows how to pitch - fastball, cut, sinker, curve, change. The only thing I might knock Doc on this year, is he doesn't utilize all of his pitches in a game. Sometimes it'll be more cut/change, then sink/curve in another. Never using all 5 in one game.

    Yeah, Greinke is solid and I respect that he came back from all depression stuff but I would take Lester over him in a heart beat.

    Yeah, you're right. .164 opponent BA with RISP and .208 with runners on overall. Adding that these numbers are both down from an overall .244 BA against.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Speaking of player development. Did you guys see the article that the Phillies have not been putting much money into international scouting in recent years? Now that might be the biggest mistake Amaro is making.

    And I did read this - forget where though. They say it's part of the sacrifice in being able to raise payroll in the majors. I'm sure it's significant to an extent, but I don't think as significant as some make it out to be.

    Here is the article, MLBTR linked to it over the weekend

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phi ... alent.html

    Some of the best players in baseball are coming from the Internationl market these days. I have read some pretty increadible things about the scouting across the world. I definitely think it would not be wise to overlook this.

    I read an article a while back that said Scott Boras has a bigger international scouting program than most teams.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    If I could have a dream rotation it would be

    1-Josh Johnson
    2-Adam Wainwright
    3-Roy Halladay
    4-Clif Lee
    5-Zack Grienke

    Man, pitching has become ridiculous lately. So many pitchers not even in there.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    If I could have a dream rotation it would be

    1-Josh Johnson
    2-Adam Wainwright
    3-Roy Halladay
    4-Clif Lee
    5-Zack Grienke

    Man, pitching has become ridiculous lately. So many pitchers not even in there.

    You're not kidding. I would have to put Lester in that rotation. The numbers he puts up in the AL East is sickening. 1.09 whip and .207 BA against in the AL east.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    I was just looking up some numbers from a business standpoint, and the Phillies reach more households than any team in the Majors not named Red Sox or Yankees. That would make them the most watched team in the NL. Yeah, I would say things are making a permanent turn for the best.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I was just looking up some numbers from a business standpoint, and the Phillies reach more households than any team in the Majors not named Red Sox or Yankees. That would make them the most watched team in the NL. Yeah, I would say things are making a permanent turn for the best.

    Any idea how long they are stuck on Comcast for and if they will be able to start their own network?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I was just looking up some numbers from a business standpoint, and the Phillies reach more households than any team in the Majors not named Red Sox or Yankees. That would make them the most watched team in the NL. Yeah, I would say things are making a permanent turn for the best.

    Any idea how long they are stuck on Comcast for and if they will be able to start their own network?

    That's the other thing. A source in one article said it's shocking how little they pay in revenue sharing.

    I don't know why CSN doesn't just become their network. I mean, SNY is the Mets' network and they are an affiliate essentially of CSN. I'll have to look that up though...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    i'm talking about this nucleus dude. i don't see why you'd want to take a step back when the window for these current players is the next few years.

    This nucleus is what is, man. Do you honestly think this team can win it all this year - with this nucleus? And do you think any move Amaro makes in the next 4 days will exponentially increase those chances? Because this nucleus is still in place for the next few years, and I see a decision being made now only hindering that nucleus going forward. Play with what you got this year, win or lose, get a pitcher and an outfielder in the offseason.

    Of course I want to win it all, but if taking a step back this year takes everyone down a peg or two then I'm all for it. Ah, who am I kidding, people are fucking nuts in this city.

    there's 2 months of the season still to be played. get to the playoffs, and it will be on a roll at this point, and anything can happen. i am not at all ready to give up on this team. not with the easiest part of the schedule right in front of us.


    .......IF j roll is really hurt and will miss significant time though, all bets are off.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    The Jeagler wrote:
    there's 2 months of the season still to be played. get to the playoffs, and it will be on a roll at this point, and anything can happen. i am not at all ready to give up on this team. not with the easiest part of the schedule right in front of us.


    .......IF j roll is really hurt and will miss significant time though, all bets are off.

    Meh. Jimmy will be alright. Most likely just a bruise.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    there's 2 months of the season still to be played. get to the playoffs, and it will be on a roll at this point, and anything can happen. i am not at all ready to give up on this team. not with the easiest part of the schedule right in front of us.


    .......IF j roll is really hurt and will miss significant time though, all bets are off.

    Meh. Jimmy will be alright. Most likely just a bruise.

    then all systems go buddy! i havent followed it today. just saw the other guy's post about it earlier.

    i really think we're in the middle of a run here. hopefully chase comes back in early september...
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,550
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    there's 2 months of the season still to be played. get to the playoffs, and it will be on a roll at this point, and anything can happen. i am not at all ready to give up on this team. not with the easiest part of the schedule right in front of us.


    .......IF j roll is really hurt and will miss significant time though, all bets are off.

    Meh. Jimmy will be alright. Most likely just a bruise.

    then all systems go buddy! i havent followed it today. just saw the other guy's post about it earlier.

    i really think we're in the middle of a run here. hopefully chase comes back in early september...

    Knock on wood...

    Cautious optimism is where I'm at.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Meh. Jimmy will be alright. Most likely just a bruise.

    then all systems go buddy! i havent followed it today. just saw the other guy's post about it earlier.

    i really think we're in the middle of a run here. hopefully chase comes back in early september...

    Knock on wood...

    Cautious optimism is where I'm at.

    the good news is they are hitting the ball again....even werth and raul.

    ruben's best, and quite possibly only, good move was made at the deadline last year. let's wait and see what happens...
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