the death penalty

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

jesus christ, I'm not angry at all. It was a joke. Fine, would it be better if I took "Daddy" out and just put "his dad or his co workers" if it's making everyone's skirt in a knot? He brought it up. Jeez. He can talk ad nauseum about dismemberment and raping and molesting, and you make one little comment...........and really, what the fuck were the guards doing while someone was being cut up in prison??

ed243421 wrote:

bill
that is a bullshit thing to say
i know all this typing is getting you angry
but come on
thats all we're doing here, bill
typing

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

and secondly, ed, stop projecting emotions onto people. it's the written word. you have no freaking clue what I'm actually feeling behind my keyboard, so don't claim to know.

I learned a while back not to let AMT get under my skin.

ed243421 · July 2010

sorry
you just sound very angry

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

well so does everyone in this thread (except the occasional random Godfather post of course

), including you.

As gimme stated, sometimes people type in all caps to get special attention paid to a sepecific portion of a post, or use accentuated punctuation (like several ????). It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

ed243421 wrote:

sorry
you just sound very angry

chadwick · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

jesus christ, I'm not angry at all. It was a joke. Fine, would it be better if I took "Daddy" out and just put "his dad or his co workers" if it's making everyone's skirt in a knot? He brought it up. Jeez. He can talk ad nauseum about dismemberment and raping and molesting, and you make one little comment...........and really, what the fuck were the guards doing while someone was being cut up in prison??

ed243421 wrote:

bill
that is a bullshit thing to say
i know all this typing is getting you angry
but come on
thats all we're doing here, bill
typing

bill, it's called a riot
it involves prison staff as hostages, killings, and horrible violence
burning shit down
it is a full on zoo
state police, cops, sheriff, correctional officers...

eyedclaar · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

well so does everyone in this thread (except the occasional random Godfather post of course ), including you.

As gimme stated, sometimes people type in all caps to get special attention paid to a sepecific portion of a post, or use accentuated punctuation (like several ????). It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

ed243421 wrote:

sorry
you just sound very angry

I sound angry? Weird, I swear I'm not... for once (in this thread, I mean).

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

fixed

eyedclaar wrote:

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

well so do SOME PEOPLE in this thread (except the occasional random Godfather post of course ), including you.

As gimme stated, sometimes people type in all caps to get special attention paid to a sepecific portion of a post, or use accentuated punctuation (like several ????). It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

ed243421 wrote:

sorry
you just sound very angry

I sound angry? Weird, I swear I'm not... for once (in this thread, I mean).

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

fine. the way you put it was this was an everyday normal occurrence.

chadwick wrote:

bill, it's called a riot
it involves prison staff as hostages, killings, and horrible violence
burning shit down
it is a full on zoo
state police, cops, sheriff, correctional officers...

_ · July 2010

eyedclaar wrote:

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

And I still don't buy any kind of definitive morality about taking another life. Just because you feel that way, doesn't make it so.

how can you even pretend that it's not immoral to take another human life? that's what seperates us from the "monsters" that Chadwick keeps regailing us with stories of!

I'll say it for an 87th time..........and please answer this time...........someone........WHAT gives anyone the right to take the life of another human being? And don't use "they gave up their rights to live yadda yadda yadda". Where was it stated in some divine book that told you that they gave up their right to live for x crime? Who decided this? Tell me! Who??

Where is your source that says taking anything's life is immoral? Your personal gut feeling? Tell me! Where? I could grease what I consider a monster without feeling like one myself... so where does that leave us? Both with our own opionions on the subject. Again, just because it makes sense to you, that still doesn't make it some universal truth.

Uh, well, if it weren't wrong to take a person's life then we certainly have no right to take the life of a murderer.

_ · July 2010

eyedclaar wrote:

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

So is prison (much more so in my opinion), but you are ok with that?

no. I don't think it's fair to treat anyone like an animal, but I also don't know what the solution is.

Neither do I, thus this conversation. All I know is that I'd rather someone just kill me than send me to one of those places for the rest of my life.

So then wouldn't killing someone be giving them a break and showing sympathy for them? I believe many people here would say showing humanity to a "monster" means you support him and are crazy and ignorant.

_ · July 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

i know that this thread is 66 pages long now, and please forgive me for reposting something i posted back in the very beginning. i just want to mention it again in case new people to the thread don't go back to the beginning. no one has commented on this, and that's ok, i just thought it might give a victims insight. there's some heartbreaking stories here. the death penalty is not the answer. please don't think it gives the victims families closure. it really doesn't.

if anyone is interested, there's a very good website out there that opposes the death penalty. they campaign on behalf of murder victims and their families.

their aim is "to put real faces on victim opposition to the death penalty by presenting photos and statements from survivors throughout the United States and around the world, along with photos of the murder victim and links to further information."

these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty. some of them have witnessed the dealth penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.

http://www.mvfhr.org/victims-stories

Okay, so here's a question for the pro-DP folks: If the victim's family opposes the DP, should it still be carried out against their wishes?

_ · July 2010

cincybearcat wrote:

I always like it when someone asks a question and then tells people how they can or can't answer them.

Look, I get your position, and I move closer to the same most everyday. But I will try and answer you question even using the rules you laid out.

What gives anyone the right to take the life of another? Well, it is called laws. Written by man. Some have been good, other have been bad. But that is what gives someone the right. And, in my case, when I believe the death penalty is appropriate, it is because I don't believe it is worth the risk to other human beings to keep someone alive. Risk to the general population, risk to other inmates of lesser crimes, risk to correctional officers (maybe my main concern). Should we be putting these people at risk by dealing with a murderous individual? If you take away the death penalty and give life without parole, why would an inmate comply with the correction officers? What keeps them from doing something terrible? It concerns me. If they are put to death, then there is no way for them to kill again. So, that how I justify it. Though, as I said, I waver on it often. I'm a flip-flopper.

I see your point, but from the opposite side. If someone is sentenced to death, what would keep them from doing whatever the fuck they want to do in prison? Seems like they have even less to lose than those people sentenced to life in prison.

_ · July 2010

cincybearcat wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Can you support something that you couldnt do yourself?

I'm not sure the pro-choice people would agree that you'd have to be willing to do something yourself in order to support it....or so they have told me.

That's not a good analogy.

_ · July 2010

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Personally, I think an good guage of stance on the DP is whether or not you, YOURSELF, could pull the trigger as the executioner on a person and live with it.

Can you support something that you couldnt do yourself?
I get angry as fuck hearing about murderers and people who wear other peoples skin and keep their eyeballs in jars and heads in refrigerators... but could I end their life? me personally? no fucking way.

Here's an idea: Everyone who votes for the death penalty should be signed up to fullfil their civil obligation as executioner. And if they can't do it or change their mind afterward, their vote is revoked.

I love how people are able to make such life and death decisions from the comfort of their own computer keyboards and voting booths without ever having to have any real knowledge of such things. :roll:

_ · July 2010

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??

good point "thou shalt not kill" but what should be the punishment when someone dose ?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38117847/ns ... nd_courts/

so now after all this time she wants out and feels she is ready to join society and not be a threat but her victims are still dead and their family's still miss them...yea but the killer has been reformed !!!! right ?
so now what..., all I'm saying is "who really knows"

Godfather.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer, so I'll ask again: What would Jesus do?

ed243421 · July 2010

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed
i wondered
are we too humane
in executing the monsters?
a preacher
a doctor
some family members present
sometimes only a needle
should they pay less than their victim(s)
or should it be equal?
take the west memphis 3 case
i assume the 3 they have in custody are innocent
a mistake made by the local law and media
and hopefully, soon to be solved
but some monster did that
3 young boys
abducted
hogtied
tortured and drowned
genitials of 1 removed
if only someone could have saved them
heard the screams
stopped this monster from
crawling back into society
and if they had
would he have been gently
put to sleep
with the slight prick of a needle
with family at his side
with a preacher hoping god will forgive him?
or should he have been shown the pain he created
should he have been
hogtied
tortured
and forced to watch his own genitials
being hacked off?
i awoke to the sounds of birds
and the smell of a fresh green nug

chadwick · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed
i wondered
are we too humane
in executing the monsters?
a preacher
a doctor
some family members present
sometimes only a needle
should they pay less than their victim(s)
or should it be equal?
take the west memphis 3 case
i assume the 3 they have in custody are innocent
a mistake made by the local law and media
and hopefully, soon to be solved
but some monster did that
3 young boys
abducted
hogtied
tortured and drowned
genitials of 1 removed
if only someone could have saved them
heard the screams
stopped this monster from
crawling back into society
and if they had
would he have been gently
put to sleep
with the slight prick of a needle
with family at his side
with a preacher hoping god will forgive him?
or should he have been shown the pain he created
should he have been
hogtied
tortured
and forced to watch his own genitials
being hacked off?
i awoke to the sounds of birds
and the smell of a fresh green nug

very poetic.
very nice.
i like this.

for some reason i enjoy the .357 mugnum.
it is quite loud and with a heavy crack to it.

can you do me a favor?
i do not have info on the west memphis 3 case.
i will try to find info on it and read up on the story.
the favor, do you have any links to the terrible story?

are you from the memphis area?
me? im in western washington.
no tv so i don't catch all the news like i would like to.

ed243421 · July 2010

no, not from there
i live in massachusetts
i lived in your part of the country for awhile in madison,wi
but it is breckenridge,co that i miss
gonna get back to that part of the country someday

the wm3 case happened some time ago
i remembered it when someone brought it up in this thread
unfortunatley
had to refresh my memory with this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

I'm sorry, but to call THIS poetic is somewhat deranged.

chadwick wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed
i wondered
are we too humane
in executing the monsters?
a preacher
a doctor
some family members present
sometimes only a needle
should they pay less than their victim(s)
or should it be equal?
take the west memphis 3 case
i assume the 3 they have in custody are innocent
a mistake made by the local law and media
and hopefully, soon to be solved
but some monster did that
3 young boys
abducted
hogtied
tortured and drowned
genitials of 1 removed
if only someone could have saved them
heard the screams
stopped this monster from
crawling back into society
and if they had
would he have been gently
put to sleep
with the slight prick of a needle
with family at his side
with a preacher hoping god will forgive him?
or should he have been shown the pain he created
should he have been
hogtied
tortured
and forced to watch his own genitials
being hacked off?
i awoke to the sounds of birds
and the smell of a fresh green nug

very poetic.
very nice.
i like this.

for some reason i enjoy the .357 mugnum.
it is quite loud and with a heavy crack to it.

can you do me a favor?
i do not have info on the west memphis 3 case.
i will try to find info on it and read up on the story.
the favor, do you have any links to the terrible story?

are you from the memphis area?
me? im in western washington.
no tv so i don't catch all the news like i would like to.

chadwick · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I'm sorry, but to call THIS poetic is somewhat deranged.

chadwick wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed
i wondered
are we too humane
in executing the monsters?
a preacher
a doctor
some family members present
sometimes only a needle
should they pay less than their victim(s)
or should it be equal?
take the west memphis 3 case
i assume the 3 they have in custody are innocent
a mistake made by the local law and media
and hopefully, soon to be solved
but some monster did that
3 young boys
abducted
hogtied
tortured and drowned
genitials of 1 removed
if only someone could have saved them
heard the screams
stopped this monster from
crawling back into society
and if they had
would he have been gently
put to sleep
with the slight prick of a needle
with family at his side
with a preacher hoping god will forgive him?
or should he have been shown the pain he created
should he have been
hogtied
tortured
and forced to watch his own genitials
being hacked off?
i awoke to the sounds of birds
and the smell of a fresh green nug

very poetic.
very nice.
i like this.

for some reason i enjoy the .357 mugnum.
it is quite loud and with a heavy crack to it.

can you do me a favor?
i do not have info on the west memphis 3 case.
i will try to find info on it and read up on the story.
the favor, do you have any links to the terrible story?

are you from the memphis area?
me? im in western washington.
no tv so i don't catch all the news like i would like to.

i found the message full of little poetic lines.
it's full of creative writing.
just my opinion.

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