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  • I even think what they did to Saddam was disgusting. Do you think GWB deserves the same for all his crimes against humanity? How about all of the innocent lives he snuffed out for the greater American good?

    If they ever catch Bin Laden, I hope they take him alive.
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    Paul David wrote:
    why must you continue to spew out this trash? it's the same thing over and over, Chadwick. you really think you are a poet??
    chadwick wrote:
    believe this...

    when a child molester
    when a rapist
    when a torturous monster
    when a vicious killer
    does the reprehensible things that they do
    they are to be shown the way to their maker

    that's how simple it is

    fuck around and cast evil acts upon others
    be prepared to die yourself

    this form of behavior and punishment will be going on for a very longtime to come
    i suggest pulling up a chair with a bowl of weed or popcorn or what have you
    it's gonna be a long one...


    You! You! Yes, you! Stand still, laddie!
    What have we here, laddie? Mysterious scribblings? A secret code? No, poems, no less! Poems, everybody! [class laughs] The laddie reckons himself a poet! [reads poem from Pink's little black book]
    Money get back, I'm all right, Jack. Keep your hands off my stack.
    New car, caviar, Four star daydream. Think I'll buy me a football team.
    [slams the book onto Pink's desk]
    Absolute rubbish, laddie. [whacks him with a ruler, growls at Pink] Get on with your work.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Paul David wrote:
    why must you continue to spew out this trash? it's the same thing over and over, Chadwick. you really think you are a poet??
    chadwick wrote:
    believe this...

    when a child molester
    when a rapist
    when a torturous monster
    when a vicious killer
    does the reprehensible things that they do
    they are to be shown the way to their maker

    that's how simple it is

    fuck around and cast evil acts upon others
    be prepared to die yourself

    this form of behavior and punishment will be going on for a very longtime to come
    i suggest pulling up a chair with a bowl of weed or popcorn or what have you
    it's gonna be a long one...
    who says this is a poem?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Paul David wrote:
    why must you continue to spew out this trash? it's the same thing over and over, Chadwick. you really think you are a poet??
    chadwick wrote:
    believe this...

    when a child molester
    when a rapist
    when a torturous monster
    when a vicious killer
    does the reprehensible things that they do
    they are to be shown the way to their maker

    that's how simple it is

    fuck around and cast evil acts upon others
    be prepared to die yourself

    this form of behavior and punishment will be going on for a very longtime to come
    i suggest pulling up a chair with a bowl of weed or popcorn or what have you
    it's gonna be a long one...
    i do not believe i am a poet, i know i am
    it is not by choice
    somehow it found me
    and i embraced it and grew with it

    so why attack me because i write poetry?
    i thought this was a death penalty thread in the moving shit train.
    i believe most of you people dwell in this fucker

    not me
    this moving train business sucks nuts
    the poetry forum... much kinder group of folk

    you anti death penalty people are very uninviting
    not the kindest group around
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    with that said
    suck a cock
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    :lol:

    it's a different breed in this section of the forum.
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  • chadwick wrote:
    with that said
    suck a cock

    I've seen your poetry. it's the same format as the shit you've written in this thread.

    and how very nice. typical.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    81 wrote:
    :lol:

    it's a different breed in this section of the forum.
    sure is, 81
    it sure is
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick wrote:
    with that said
    suck a cock
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Pure poetry!

    To say nothing of comic timing!
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  • chadwick wrote:

    so why attack me because i write poetry?
    i thought this was a death penalty thread in the moving shit train.
    i believe most of you people dwell in this fucker

    not me
    this moving train business sucks nuts
    the poetry forum... much kinder group of folk

    you anti death penalty people are very uninviting
    not the kindest group around

    I also write poetry and songs. I don't attack because you write poetry. I questioned why have to spew the same shit over and over throughout this thread.

    because people who describe in graphic detail what they would do to someone they fear disgust me.
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  • what can we say? Chad brings out the best in all of us.
    chadwick wrote:
    81 wrote:
    :lol:

    it's a different breed in this section of the forum.
    sure is, 81
    it sure is
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    ajedigecko wrote:
    it is amazing how many catchers in the rye we have in this thread. either that or they feel they are avengers and vigilantes...i love it when people who have no dog in the fight speak the loudest....
    as a taxpaying citizen and registered voter..........i would say i have a dog in the fight.
    yes, especially when it COSTS MORE TO EXECUTE A PRISONER THAN IT DOES TO KEEP THEM ALIVE....if you were so concerned about your tax dollars maybe you should investigate that, because it seems like an awful waste of tax money to execute people...

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    does it even make sense
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Paul David wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    with that said
    suck a cock

    I've seen your poetry. it's the same format as the shit you've written in this thread.

    and how very nice. typical.
    you're out of your bloody tree, friend.
    over 90% of my work is nature and romantic writing
    i have very little barbarian poetry going on

    you should see my place
    it is filled with poetry
    boxes and folders and files and cds and endless stacks
    only a tiny fragment of my poetry is about taking a viking hammer & driving it down and through one's shoulder & skull

    in addition writing poetry about ancestors is like a release and being in touch with days of old
    vikings wrote a lot of poetic verse, did you know that?

    conquer, voyage onward, and write poetry... pretty awesome stuff
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Paul David wrote:
    chadwick wrote:

    so why attack me because i write poetry?
    i thought this was a death penalty thread in the moving shit train.
    i believe most of you people dwell in this fucker

    not me
    this moving train business sucks nuts
    the poetry forum... much kinder group of folk

    you anti death penalty people are very uninviting
    not the kindest group around

    I also write poetry and songs. I don't attack because you write poetry. I questioned why have to spew the same shit over and over throughout this thread.

    because people who describe in graphic detail what they would do to someone they fear disgust me.



    listen up, davidpaul
    i spew truth
    im not sorry some can't handle it
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • I said FORMAT, not content.
    chadwick wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    with that said
    suck a cock

    I've seen your poetry. it's the same format as the shit you've written in this thread.

    and how very nice. typical.
    you're out of your bloody tree, friend.
    over 90% of my work is nature and romantic writing
    i have very little barbarian poetry going on

    you should see my place
    it is filled with poetry
    boxes and folders and files and cds and endless stacks
    only a tiny fragment of my poetry is about taking a viking hammer & driving it down and through one's shoulder & skull

    in addition writing poetry about ancestors is like a release and being in touch with days of old
    vikings wrote a lot of poetic verse, did you know that?

    conquer, voyage onward, and write poetry... pretty awesome stuff
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:
    with that said
    suck a cock
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Pure poetry!

    To say nothing of comic timing!
    every single entery of mine need be poetic?
    suck a johnroger
    that's fucked
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    ed243421 wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    as a taxpaying citizen and registered voter..........i would say i have a dog in the fight.
    yes, especially when it COSTS MORE TO EXECUTE A PRISONER THAN IT DOES TO KEEP THEM ALIVE....if you were so concerned about your tax dollars maybe you should investigate that, because it seems like an awful waste of tax money to execute people...

    don't believe everything you read
    does it even make sense

    How does it not make sense?
    Please explain why/if you know factually that keeping a prisoner in jail for life is more expensive than execution.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    chadwick wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    why must you continue to spew out this trash? it's the same thing over and over, Chadwick. you really think you are a poet??
    chadwick wrote:
    believe this...

    when a child molester
    when a rapist
    when a torturous monster
    when a vicious killer
    does the reprehensible things that they do
    they are to be shown the way to their maker

    that's how simple it is

    fuck around and cast evil acts upon others
    be prepared to die yourself

    this form of behavior and punishment will be going on for a very longtime to come
    i suggest pulling up a chair with a bowl of weed or popcorn or what have you
    it's gonna be a long one...
    i do not believe i am a poet, i know i am
    it is not by choice
    somehow it found me
    and i embraced it and grew with it

    so why attack me because i write poetry?
    i thought this was a death penalty thread in the moving shit train.
    i believe most of you people dwell in this fucker

    not me
    this moving train business sucks nuts
    the poetry forum... much kinder group of folk

    you anti death penalty people are very uninviting
    not the kindest group around

    Chad that's how the train rolls when the box car is full of whinners.
    pay no mind to the town cryers Bro.

    Godfather.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    thank you, Godfather

    i have never been good at whining
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    why all the anger here?
    these are our opinions
    i believe mine
    you, yours
    i understand opinions can be changed
    but at this point in time
    this is where we are at
    and to get angry at someone
    because they do not believe what you do
    tells me that the angered ones
    are insecure in their own beliefs
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    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
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    PJ20 9-4-11
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    inmate cost...
    http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/statsbrief/cost.html
    $55.09 per day

    also...
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 620AAT4aSv

    Where the costs differ is in the prosecution / trial. Capital cases involving the death penalty are much more costly to prosecute. The defense typically gets 2-3 attorneys (even for indigent defendants) you also have numerous expert testimony and then there are the automatic appeals and the numerous other appeals that are typically filed.

    Yes the system is flawed.


    Godfather.
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    johnny
    what facts do you have other than the numbers they have sold you?
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    i wonder.......if the topic were about "big business corporate men" taking the monies and living lavish lifestyles off the backs of working peoples.

    how many here would be for death penalty?
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • ed243421 wrote:
    why all the anger here?
    these are our opinions
    i believe mine
    you, yours
    i understand opinions can be changed
    but at this point in time
    this is where we are at
    and to get angry at someone
    because they do not believe what you do
    tells me that the angered ones
    are insecure in their own beliefs

    For once, we are in complete agreement.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    ed243421 wrote:
    johnny
    what facts do you have other than the numbers they have sold you?

    good job answering... Kinda what I was expecting.
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  • you want to kill people and you're calling US angry? that would be comical if it wasn't so ridiculous.

    ed243421 wrote:
    why all the anger here?
    these are our opinions
    i believe mine
    you, yours
    i understand opinions can be changed
    but at this point in time
    this is where we are at
    and to get angry at someone
    because they do not believe what you do
    tells me that the angered ones
    are insecure in their own beliefs
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    redrock wrote:
    81 wrote:
    if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. these people know the consequences

    I don't think we are debating that. What is being debated is the consequence itself. One is killing a person to avenge the killing of another one. Not really for punishment, in my opinion, but for revenge.

    And to me, it isn’t entirely about revenge (I agree no act of retribution can erase a crime that has already been committed), but it is a matter of practicality moving forward. Obviously, the flawed law enforcement/court system and aforementioned costs associated with state sanctioned executions are prohibitive, but figure out a way to streamline this process and I don’t think killing violent sickos and predatory molesters is a bad idea. We don’t cage rabid dogs, we put them down, and honestly, I’m a lot more sympathetic towards the sick dog because they have no choice in their illness, people usually do. Not always. Obviously, I know of many mentally shattered combat vets, but even with those, sometimes you just have to accept the fact that someone’s mind is broken and they are a genuine threat to others, no matter where you try to contain them. And hell, it isn’t cheap to warehouse human beings either, and frankly, I’m not sure I even see the point. Lock me in a cage, and someone is going to get hurt eventually.

    All this talk about “rights” and “good” and “evil” and “murder” is amusing because there is no universal definition for these things. You think that nobody has the right to kill another person, which makes me laugh because first, it happens all the time (rights end where reality begins), and second, it is all too easy to imagine scenarios in which killing certain people benefits the greater good. Philosophically, I can understand and accept that.

    You might think I have this unholy bloodlust or something, but I’ll tell you, all throughout my life I have stood up against bullies and pricks. I have never started shit with someone who didn’t deserve it. I was ostracized in high school for attacking the middle linebacker, captain of the football team, during gym class one day when he checked some Vietnamese exchange student literally half his size into a wall and then started laughing. The gym teacher had to tackle me to stop my beating of him with a hockey stick. I don’t regret it for one second.

    As far as I’m concerned, we as humans let our big dumb brains rationalize the shitty behavior of others which in turn justifies inaction. We tolerate the worst in people, mostly because we are afraid. Fuck that. I live by the platinum rule. Do unto others as you would have them do ten times unto you. I guess if it makes me a hypocrite to want to dispose of violent people, then so be it; I’ve been called much worse.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    eyedclaar wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    81 wrote:
    if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. these people know the consequences

    I don't think we are debating that. What is being debated is the consequence itself. One is killing a person to avenge the killing of another one. Not really for punishment, in my opinion, but for revenge.

    And to me, it isn’t entirely about revenge (I agree no act of retribution can erase a crime that has already been committed), but it is a matter of practicality moving forward. Obviously, the flawed law enforcement/court system and aforementioned costs associated with state sanctioned executions are prohibitive, but figure out a way to streamline this process and I don’t think killing violent sickos and predatory molesters is a bad idea. We don’t cage rabid dogs, we put them down, and honestly, I’m a lot more sympathetic towards the sick dog because they have no choice in their illness, people usually do. Not always. Obviously, I know of many mentally shattered combat vets, but even with those, sometimes you just have to accept the fact that someone’s mind is broken and they are a genuine threat to others, no matter where you try to contain them. And hell, it isn’t cheap to warehouse human beings either, and frankly, I’m not sure I even see the point. Lock me in a cage, and someone is going to get hurt eventually.

    All this talk about “rights” and “good” and “evil” and “murder” is amusing because there is no universal definition for these things. You think that nobody has the right to kill another person, which makes me laugh because first, it happens all the time (rights end where reality begins), and second, it is all too easy to imagine scenarios in which killing certain people benefits the greater good. Philosophically, I can understand and accept that.

    You might think I have this unholy bloodlust or something, but I’ll tell you, all throughout my life I have stood up against bullies and pricks. I have never started shit with someone who didn’t deserve it. I was ostracized in high school for attacking the middle linebacker, captain of the football team, during gym class one day when he checked some Vietnamese exchange student literally half his size into a wall and then started laughing. The gym teacher had to tackle me to stop my beating of him with a hockey stick. I don’t regret it for one second.

    As far as I’m concerned, we as humans let our big dumb brains rationalize the shitty behavior of others which in turn justifies inaction. We tolerate the worst in people, mostly because we are afraid. Fuck that. I live by the platinum rule. Do unto others as you would have them do ten times unto you. I guess if it makes me a hypocrite to want to dispose of violent people, then so be it; I’ve been called much worse.

    understandable man, and I lke what you say. Trust me, I appreciate that Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez are not alive anymore to threaten people. I have said I have a hard time deciding how I feel about the DP. But with all its flaws and mistakes and unruly costs, it seems the current practice is poorly managed. I cannot chose between an imaginary perfect system however, and one that has its mistakes. And I personally think that wiht all the evidence accumulated that shows there have been mistakes -- that it is a barbaric, patheic, and truly flawed practice. But many of the pro death penalty people here seems to ignore those issues. The imaginary world where the movie Moinority Report, or our guarantee that a person is 100% guilty IS NOT HERE.
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  • I can't reconcile "rights end where reality begins". Is that what you would have had African Americans believe in the 50's?

    I'd like to hear your explanation of just how human beings have a choice in their mental illnesses.
    eyedclaar wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    81 wrote:
    if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. these people know the consequences

    I don't think we are debating that. What is being debated is the consequence itself. One is killing a person to avenge the killing of another one. Not really for punishment, in my opinion, but for revenge.

    And to me, it isn’t entirely about revenge (I agree no act of retribution can erase a crime that has already been committed), but it is a matter of practicality moving forward. Obviously, the flawed law enforcement/court system and aforementioned costs associated with state sanctioned executions are prohibitive, but figure out a way to streamline this process and I don’t think killing violent sickos and predatory molesters is a bad idea. We don’t cage rabid dogs, we put them down, and honestly, I’m a lot more sympathetic towards the sick dog because they have no choice in their illness, people usually do. Not always. Obviously, I know of many mentally shattered combat vets, but even with those, sometimes you just have to accept the fact that someone’s mind is broken and they are a genuine threat to others, no matter where you try to contain them. And hell, it isn’t cheap to warehouse human beings either, and frankly, I’m not sure I even see the point. Lock me in a cage, and someone is going to get hurt eventually.

    All this talk about “rights” and “good” and “evil” and “murder” is amusing because there is no universal definition for these things. You think that nobody has the right to kill another person, which makes me laugh because first, it happens all the time (rights end where reality begins), and second, it is all too easy to imagine scenarios in which killing certain people benefits the greater good. Philosophically, I can understand and accept that.

    You might think I have this unholy bloodlust or something, but I’ll tell you, all throughout my life I have stood up against bullies and pricks. I have never started shit with someone who didn’t deserve it. I was ostracized in high school for attacking the middle linebacker, captain of the football team, during gym class one day when he checked some Vietnamese exchange student literally half his size into a wall and then started laughing. The gym teacher had to tackle me to stop my beating of him with a hockey stick. I don’t regret it for one second.

    As far as I’m concerned, we as humans let our big dumb brains rationalize the shitty behavior of others which in turn justifies inaction. We tolerate the worst in people, mostly because we are afraid. Fuck that. I live by the platinum rule. Do unto others as you would have them do ten times unto you. I guess if it makes me a hypocrite to want to dispose of violent people, then so be it; I’ve been called much worse.
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  • The imaginary world where the movie Moinority Report, or our guarantee that a person is 100% guilty IS NOT HERE.

    and that's it, isn't it?
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