the death penalty

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

Fact: For every 7 executions since 1976, 1 other prisoner on death row has been found innocent.

And you people are ok with this? FOURTEEN PERCENT POTENTIALLY WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS? And how many more that have not even been investigated before the sentence was carried out? These people have children, wives, husbands, parents, friends, but most importantly, LIVES. And this process STOLE THEIR LIFE FROM THEM. And ruined countless lives along with it.

That fact in itself should be enough to abolish the death penalty. If you are for the death penalty, you are for it in its current state, which is horribly flawed.

And that's even setting aside the immorality of killing ANY human being. It's just not our, as humans, choice to make. End of story.

I hear what you are saying and it is a real problem. Nobody wants to see an innocent person executed. Clearly, work needs to be done in a lot of areas to make sure cops and ivestigators of crime scenes actually do their jobs right. Someone said if it happens even once it is too much... however, what percent of violent people wind up hurting, raping, murdering another innocent person somewhere down the line? Recidivism rates in the US are over 50%. Why don't you take the same stance of if it happens even once, it is too much? People keep talking about wanting to act civilized, but prisons are not a civil environment. Almost nobody comes out of a hard-core prison as a better human being. And if they are sentenced for life, what is the point of wharehousing monsters and putting others at risk? It seems to me, we either truly try to mentally rehabilitate the sick, crazy, and cruel (and prisons do not do this) or we just end the suffering. Life in some festering prison is crueler than death.

And I still don't buy any kind of definitive morality about taking another life. Just because you feel that way, doesn't make it so.

OnTheEdge wrote:

Also, I don't understand how people buy into this theory that putting a dirtbag down is more expensive. We shelter and feed these dirtbags for their entire lives and then when they get old we spend BILLIONS of dollars to feed them meds trying to KEEP them alive and healthy for as long as possible.

I have to agree with chad and the liking. If it's a hands down case(DNA Evidence, confession, video, or witness) put a bullet in their head and be done with it.

governors it's the legal system that makes it expensive.
governor(s), attorneys, every court legal suck up in the state, in the region.
prison wardens, media, prison staff.
twisted sick jerk off's medical care.

every high end bmw has to be paid for.
cadillac escalades?
every judge and governor need those nice retirement funds.

the legal system sucks.
i do however like lawyer jokes.
i personally can't wait to be the lawyer defending some piece of dog shit who's slaughtered 13 women and made shit out of their skins. quality quality and quality...

where is the swift bullet?
do we need 2 bullets?

JonnyPistachio wrote:

chadwick wrote:

my ancestors were barbarians, so crude bullshit pretty much gives me an erection.

I have to say Chadwick, as much as I disagree with you, you crack me up.

of course i do
carry on

eyedclaar wrote:

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

Fact: For every 7 executions since 1976, 1 other prisoner on death row has been found innocent.

And you people are ok with this? FOURTEEN PERCENT POTENTIALLY WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS? And how many more that have not even been investigated before the sentence was carried out? These people have children, wives, husbands, parents, friends, but most importantly, LIVES. And this process STOLE THEIR LIFE FROM THEM. And ruined countless lives along with it.

That fact in itself should be enough to abolish the death penalty. If you are for the death penalty, you are for it in its current state, which is horribly flawed.

And that's even setting aside the immorality of killing ANY human being. It's just not our, as humans, choice to make. End of story.

I hear what you are saying and it is a real problem. Nobody wants to see an innocent person executed. Clearly, work needs to be done in a lot of areas to make sure cops and ivestigators of crime scenes actually do their jobs right. Someone said if it happens even once it is too much... however, what percent of violent people wind up hurting, raping, murdering another innocent person somewhere down the line? Recidivism rates in the US are over 50%. Why don't you take the same stance of if it happens even once, it is too much? People keep talking about wanting to act civilized, but prisons are not a civil environment. Almost nobody comes out of a hard-core prison as a better human being. And if they are sentenced for life, what is the point of wharehousing monsters and putting others at risk? It seems to me, we either truly try to mentally rehabilitate the sick, crazy, and cruel (and prisons do not do this) or we just end the suffering. Life in some festering prison is crueler than death.

And I still don't buy any kind of definitive morality about taking another life. Just because you feel that way, doesn't make it so.

prison is an education in crime.
immates get hooked up with one another in there.
a convict in prison for selling kilos of cocaine has just been sent to a drug smuggling university.
that's one example.

sick freaks hook up and stroke each other off while daydreaming of torturing little kids when they get out.
quality.

I thought this was a good read:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documen ... timony.pdf

I found three things that stood out to me:

“Since 1973, 138 people have been exonerated and freed from death row. In
many of these cases, the appeals process was critical in overturning an unfair conviction and allowing a new trial at which the defendant was acquitted. In other cases, even the appeals failed to find evidence of innocence or a constitutional flaw in the process that led to conviction, but the process at least allowed for the passage of time, during which exonerating DNA evidence was discovered and tested, or the person actually responsible for the crime was identified. The average time between sentencing and exoneration was 9.8 years. If the appeals process were truncated there might not have been time for the mistakes to be found or new evidence to emerge. Most of the innocent people who were sentenced to death would have been executed before they could demonstrate their conviction was a mistake.”

Imagine how much they have to pay out to these people who have had their lives taken from them?

“The death penalty is on the decline across the country. Death sentences have
dropped dramatically since 2000. In the 1990s, the annual number of death sentences averaged close to 300, but in recent years the number is down to 115, a 62% drop. Skeptical juries concerned about innocence and the availability of life without parole sentences have played a part in this decline. The rising costs of the death penalty have caused some prosecutors not to seek the death penalty or to accept plea bargains. The current economic climate could accelerate this trend.”

--Also—
“The economic crisis that began in 2008 continues, and its impact on states will be felt for years to come. There is no reason the death penalty should be immune from reconsideration, along with other wasteful, expensive programs that no longer make sense. The promised benefits from the death penalty have not materialized. Deterrence is not credible; vengeance in the name of a few victims in a handful of states is both divisive and debilitating. If more states choose to end the death penalty, it will hardly be missed, and the economic savings will be significant. The positive programs that can be funded once this economic burden is lifted will be readily apparent. Such an approach would be smart on crime.”

these are all qoutes from:
Richard C. Dieter
Executive Director
Death Penalty Information Center

TriumphantAngel wrote:

sure i do. but i've never seen the article that talks of the person who slaughtered 13 women and made shit out of their skins.

Did you hear about that bastard out in Idaho who had basically enslaved an army of children to work in his acid mine? Sick fuck!

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

would you execute a rapist who enjoys taking a dagger to a female's privates?
maybe he likes using broken wine bottles?

is this disgusting torturous piece of shit worth it?
he needs sent to a far off place.
one .357 crack will do it.

total cost:
$0.13
we made him pack his own bullet with the black powder wad shit lead whatever.

this is an unreal example and would never go down like that. and you know it.

happens pretty much all the time.
it's a fact.
i've seen the reports on tv, read about the crimes online or in a library at college

chadwick wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

would you execute a rapist who enjoys taking a dagger to a female's privates?
maybe he likes using broken wine bottles?

is this disgusting torturous piece of shit worth it?
he needs sent to a far off place.
one .357 crack will do it.

total cost:
$0.13
we made him pack his own bullet with the black powder wad shit lead whatever.

this is an unreal example and would never go down like that. and you know it.

happens pretty much all the time.
it's a fact.
i've seen the reports on tv, read about the crimes online or in a library at college

I think he's referring to the 13 cents to kill a man in light of the current costs. However, this is hypothetical, so you can suggest an alternate reality where once a person is proven or admitted atrocious guilt, they final solution is the cost of one bullet. No appeals allowed. Obviously, not how things really work.