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pj0705 · June 2008

Im sure the crowds are great, I wont dispute, but honestly, I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists. Yes, I know about Breath in 98. I just think they have uninspired setlists. I fully expect the 2 Boston shows to have more unique setlists as per the usual, but everyone will be raving how they shook the garden during Evenflow.

freealcibiades · June 2008

Um, Crown of Thorns?

Plus it's no secret that New Yorkers are better people in the eyes of God than Bostoners. It's true. I read about it. In a book. It's called the bible.

InHiding19 · June 2008

you sound like a grumpy sox fan

pj0705 · June 2008

Oxxys wrote:

you sound like a grumpy sox fan

You are right...I'm grumpy because we are in first place and just won a World Series.

I'm just saying, everyone is gobbling the MSG shows like Ed is going be flying around the arena like Peter Pan...I just dont get it.

pjsteelerfan · June 2008

I hope each show is unique in its own way.

swallowedwords · June 2008

pj0705 wrote:

You are right...I'm grumpy because we are in first place and just won a World Series.

I'm just saying, everyone is gobbling the MSG shows like Ed is going be flying around the arena like Peter Pan...I just dont get it.

No, I think Madison Square Garden is just a special place in the greatest city in the World. I'm actually more psyched about the Beacon, though

DeLukin · June 2008

Soooo... if the crowd is great and shakes the stage to the point that the band gets freaked out the show is over rated because the setlist isn't 'inspired?' That, to me, is the ultimate in fan snobbery. Ed controls the setlists, all the fans can do is enjoy it. The whole NY/Boston thing is tiring. Can't we all just get along???

LukinFan · June 2008

pj0705 wrote:

Im sure the crowds are great, I wont dispute, but honestly, I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists. Yes, I know about Breath in 98. I just think they have uninspired setlists. I fully expect the 2 Boston shows to have more unique setlists as per the usual, but everyone will be raving how they shook the garden during Evenflow.

let me guess, you're not going to the msg shows

CROJAM95 · June 2008

MSG Sound Quality is second to none

release30 · June 2008

Been to 10 shows myself...They ALL have been great....

cuyler41 · June 2008

Boston Fans = Blowhards

nukeboot · June 2008

Exhibit 1 in the case against judging shows by their setlists alone.

MSG is the most famous arena in the world (with the possible exception of Royal Albert Hall). Bands know that when they take the stage and they bring their "A" game.

pj0705 · June 2008

cuyler41 wrote:

Boston Fans = Blowhards

And NY fans arent?

restless_soul · June 2008

personally having been to a bunch of shows and 3 MSG shows, it's all about the vibe there...I think the Beacon is way overated...while the venue is legendary I think the show will be average

pj0705 · June 2008

nukeboot wrote:

Exhibit 1 in the case against judging shows by their setlists alone.

MSG is the most famous arena in the world (with the possible exception of Royal Albert Hall). Bands know that when they take the stage and they bring their "A" game.

I dont judge by setlists alone...but its obviously a big part of going to a Pearl Jam show. I'm not saying they dont bring their "A" game to MSG, but they bring their "A" game almost everywhere. Are you saying they mail it in sometimes in other cities?

Just because they are playing at a famous arena doesnt mean its going to be great.

HailHailLeatherman · June 2008

The seating in MSG sucks and it isn't the greatest place to go see a sporting event or concert!!!

I think the perception of MSG's greatness comes from the fact that it is NYC and that just fuels the hype. Won't say the crowds are ever lame since I have been to several MSG shows and they have been pretty awesome each time.

nukeboot · June 2008

pj0705 wrote:

Are you saying they mail it in sometimes in other cities?

Not saying that at all. There's a lot of space between "mailing it in" and great.

Just because they are playing at a famous arena doesnt mean its going to be great.

Just adds to the possibility.

callen · June 2008

pj0705 wrote:

Im sure the crowds are great, I wont dispute, but honestly, I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists. Yes, I know about Breath in 98. I just think they have uninspired setlists. I fully expect the 2 Boston shows to have more unique setlists as per the usual, but everyone will be raving how they shook the garden during Evenflow.

I'll be there..so its gonna be a kick a$$ couple of shows

Danimal · June 2008

pj0705 wrote:

I dont judge by setlists alone...but its obviously a big part of going to a Pearl Jam show. I'm not saying they dont bring their "A" game to MSG, but they bring their "A" game almost everywhere. Are you saying they mail it in sometimes in other cities?

Just because they are playing at a famous arena doesnt mean its going to be great.

Is this a good set list?

July 8, 2003 - Madison Square Garden; New York, NY
Opening: Buzzcocks
Ed, Jeff, and Mike with Buzzcocks: Why Can't I Touch It?
Set List: Love Boat Captain, Last Exit, Save You, Green Disease, In My Tree, Cropduster, Even Flow, Gimme Some Truth, I Am Mine, Low Light, Faithfull, Wishlist/(Why Can't I Touch It?), Lukin, Grievance, 1/2 Full, Black, Spin The Black Circle, Rearviewmirror;
1st encore: You Are, Thumbing My Way, Daughter/(With My Own Two Hands featuring Ben Harper), Crown Of Thorns, Breath, Better Man, Do The Evolution;
2nd encore: Crazy Mary, Indifference with Ben Harper, Sonic Reducer with Tony from the Buzzcocks, Baba O'Riley, Yellow Ledbetter

No no no it isn't....

THIS is a good set list:

July 11, 2003 - Tweeter Center; Mansfield, MA
Opening: Sleater-Kinney
Extra set before opening band: Long Road, Of The Girl, Sometimes, Off He Goes, All Those Yesterdays, Driftin', Thin Air, Sleight of Hand, Footsteps, All Or None, Parting Ways, Indifference;
Set List: Can't Keep, Breakerfall, Brain of J., Spin the Black Circle, Ghost, Green Disease, Tremor Christ, Given To Fly, Nothing As It Seems, Cropduster, Faithfull, Why Go, Wishlist/(Why Can't I Touch It?), Leatherman, Nothingman, Better Man, 1/2 Full, Untitled, MFC, Blood;
1st encore: Breath, Habit, Down, Mankind, U, Black, Jeremy;
2nd encore: Arc, I Believe In Miracles, Know Your Rights, Fortunate Son with Sleater-Kinney, Rockin' in the Free World with Sleater-Kinney, One Note [literally play one note & leave];
3rd encore: Yellow Ledbetter

Hhahhaha. Just jivin' Everyone have fun at all the shows!

NY PJ1 · June 2008

ITS THE BIG STAGE KID!!

MOST FAMOUS ARENA

not mansfield wherever that is ... deal w/ it

oh yea the dvd is called live at the garden

corduroid · June 2008

pj0705 wrote:

... I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists.

Has absolutely nothing to do with it.

NY PJ1 · June 2008

once again the boston area cant deal with nyc ,, its getting old

macci · June 2008

I think there is bias a bit here too. You're from Boston & will say Boston shows are better. I'm from the NY area & will say the MSg shows will be better.

NY PJ1 · June 2008

macci wrote:

I think there is bias a bit here too. You're from Boston & will say Boston shows are better. I'm from the NY area & will say the MSg shows will be better.

THEY CANT GET OVER THE FACT THAT THEIR TOWN IS NO WHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT AS NYC

Danimal · June 2008

macci wrote:

I think there is bias a bit here too. You're from Boston & will say Boston shows are better. I'm from the NY area & will say the MSg shows will be better.

Of course! You can't tell me it's not fun!

nukeboot · June 2008

I know that if I was taking the stage at MSG, the history of the place would be on my mind....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden#Concerts_and_live_performances

MILKwasAbadChoice · June 2008

The new Rock in Newark is better than boston and NYC haha. jk. i can't wait for MSG II.

pj0705 · June 2008

NY PJ1 wrote:

THEY CANT GET OVER THE FACT THAT THEIR TOWN IS NO WHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT AS NYC

You New Yorkers are too easy...you get all riled up at the drop of a hat. You start hundreds of threads about how great MSG will be.

We on the other hand just sit back, relax, and take in all the epic shows through the years.

pj0705 · June 2008

nukeboot wrote:

I know that if I was taking the stage at MSG, the history of the place would be on my mind....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden#Concerts_and_live_performances

While you guys are getting a history lesson at MSG, ill be getting a guitar lesson by McCready at the Tweeter..errr Comcast Center.

Get_Right · June 2008

you had to be there in 98 and 03
yes great woods has had a tremendous run of shows
but the energy of MSG is unmatched

something about the arena settting as opposed to the ampitheater

NY PJ1 · June 2008

pj0705 wrote:

You New Yorkers are too easy...you get all riled up at the drop of a hat. You start hundreds of threads about how great MSG will be.

We on the other hand just sit back, relax, and take in all the epic shows through the years.

im far from riled up

i love the fact that u cats wish u were nyc ,,its too funny

face it,,, never gonna be that way

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