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pj0705pj0705 Posts: 189
edited June 2008 in The Porch
Im sure the crowds are great, I wont dispute, but honestly, I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists. Yes, I know about Breath in 98. I just think they have uninspired setlists. I fully expect the 2 Boston shows to have more unique setlists as per the usual, but everyone will be raving how they shook the garden during Evenflow.
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    freealcibiadesfreealcibiades Posts: 365
    Um, Crown of Thorns?

    Plus it's no secret that New Yorkers are better people in the eyes of God than Bostoners. It's true. I read about it. In a book. It's called the bible.
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    InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    you sound like a grumpy sox fan :)
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    pj0705pj0705 Posts: 189
    Oxxys wrote:
    you sound like a grumpy sox fan :)

    You are right...I'm grumpy because we are in first place and just won a World Series.

    I'm just saying, everyone is gobbling the MSG shows like Ed is going be flying around the arena like Peter Pan...I just dont get it.
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    pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,884
    I hope each show is unique in its own way.
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    swallowedwordsswallowedwords Posts: 1,093
    pj0705 wrote:
    You are right...I'm grumpy because we are in first place and just won a World Series.

    I'm just saying, everyone is gobbling the MSG shows like Ed is going be flying around the arena like Peter Pan...I just dont get it.

    No, I think Madison Square Garden is just a special place in the greatest city in the World. I'm actually more psyched about the Beacon, though
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    DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,740
    Soooo... if the crowd is great and shakes the stage to the point that the band gets freaked out the show is over rated because the setlist isn't 'inspired?' That, to me, is the ultimate in fan snobbery. Ed controls the setlists, all the fans can do is enjoy it. The whole NY/Boston thing is tiring. Can't we all just get along???
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    LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,009
    pj0705 wrote:
    Im sure the crowds are great, I wont dispute, but honestly, I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists. Yes, I know about Breath in 98. I just think they have uninspired setlists. I fully expect the 2 Boston shows to have more unique setlists as per the usual, but everyone will be raving how they shook the garden during Evenflow.
    let me guess, you're not going to the msg shows
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    CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,172
    MSG Sound Quality is second to none
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    release30release30 Posts: 2,051
    Been to 10 shows myself...They ALL have been great....
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    cuyler41cuyler41 Posts: 383
    Boston Fans = Blowhards
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    nukebootnukeboot Posts: 1,465
    Exhibit 1 in the case against judging shows by their setlists alone.

    MSG is the most famous arena in the world (with the possible exception of Royal Albert Hall). Bands know that when they take the stage and they bring their "A" game.
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    pj0705pj0705 Posts: 189
    cuyler41 wrote:
    Boston Fans = Blowhards

    And NY fans arent?
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    restless_soulrestless_soul Posts: 26
    personally having been to a bunch of shows and 3 MSG shows, it's all about the vibe there...I think the Beacon is way overated...while the venue is legendary I think the show will be average
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    pj0705pj0705 Posts: 189
    nukeboot wrote:
    Exhibit 1 in the case against judging shows by their setlists alone.

    MSG is the most famous arena in the world (with the possible exception of Royal Albert Hall). Bands know that when they take the stage and they bring their "A" game.

    I dont judge by setlists alone...but its obviously a big part of going to a Pearl Jam show. I'm not saying they dont bring their "A" game to MSG, but they bring their "A" game almost everywhere. Are you saying they mail it in sometimes in other cities?

    Just because they are playing at a famous arena doesnt mean its going to be great.
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    HailHailLeathermanHailHailLeatherman Posts: 126
    The seating in MSG sucks and it isn't the greatest place to go see a sporting event or concert!!!

    I think the perception of MSG's greatness comes from the fact that it is NYC and that just fuels the hype. Won't say the crowds are ever lame since I have been to several MSG shows and they have been pretty awesome each time.
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    nukebootnukeboot Posts: 1,465
    pj0705 wrote:
    Are you saying they mail it in sometimes in other cities?

    Not saying that at all. There's a lot of space between "mailing it in" and great.
    Just because they are playing at a famous arena doesnt mean its going to be great.

    Just adds to the possibility.
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    callencallen Posts: 6,388
    pj0705 wrote:
    Im sure the crowds are great, I wont dispute, but honestly, I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists. Yes, I know about Breath in 98. I just think they have uninspired setlists. I fully expect the 2 Boston shows to have more unique setlists as per the usual, but everyone will be raving how they shook the garden during Evenflow.
    I'll be there..so its gonna be a kick a$$ couple of shows
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    DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    pj0705 wrote:
    I dont judge by setlists alone...but its obviously a big part of going to a Pearl Jam show. I'm not saying they dont bring their "A" game to MSG, but they bring their "A" game almost everywhere. Are you saying they mail it in sometimes in other cities?

    Just because they are playing at a famous arena doesnt mean its going to be great.

    Is this a good set list?

    July 8, 2003 - Madison Square Garden; New York, NY
    Opening: Buzzcocks
    Ed, Jeff, and Mike with Buzzcocks: Why Can't I Touch It?
    Set List: Love Boat Captain, Last Exit, Save You, Green Disease, In My Tree, Cropduster, Even Flow, Gimme Some Truth, I Am Mine, Low Light, Faithfull, Wishlist/(Why Can't I Touch It?), Lukin, Grievance, 1/2 Full, Black, Spin The Black Circle, Rearviewmirror;
    1st encore: You Are, Thumbing My Way, Daughter/(With My Own Two Hands featuring Ben Harper), Crown Of Thorns, Breath, Better Man, Do The Evolution;
    2nd encore: Crazy Mary, Indifference with Ben Harper, Sonic Reducer with Tony from the Buzzcocks, Baba O'Riley, Yellow Ledbetter


    No no no it isn't....

    THIS is a good set list:

    July 11, 2003 - Tweeter Center; Mansfield, MA
    Opening: Sleater-Kinney
    Extra set before opening band: Long Road, Of The Girl, Sometimes, Off He Goes, All Those Yesterdays, Driftin', Thin Air, Sleight of Hand, Footsteps, All Or None, Parting Ways, Indifference;
    Set List: Can't Keep, Breakerfall, Brain of J., Spin the Black Circle, Ghost, Green Disease, Tremor Christ, Given To Fly, Nothing As It Seems, Cropduster, Faithfull, Why Go, Wishlist/(Why Can't I Touch It?), Leatherman, Nothingman, Better Man, 1/2 Full, Untitled, MFC, Blood;
    1st encore: Breath, Habit, Down, Mankind, U, Black, Jeremy;
    2nd encore: Arc, I Believe In Miracles, Know Your Rights, Fortunate Son with Sleater-Kinney, Rockin' in the Free World with Sleater-Kinney, One Note [literally play one note & leave];
    3rd encore: Yellow Ledbetter


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    NY PJ1NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    ITS THE BIG STAGE KID!!

    MOST FAMOUS ARENA


    not mansfield wherever that is ... deal w/ it

    oh yea the dvd is called live at the garden
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    corduroidcorduroid Posts: 293
    pj0705 wrote:
    ... I havent seen anything too special in any of the past setlists.

    Has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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    NY PJ1NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    once again the boston area cant deal with nyc ,, its getting old
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    maccimacci Posts: 1,057
    I think there is bias a bit here too. You're from Boston & will say Boston shows are better. I'm from the NY area & will say the MSg shows will be better.
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    NY PJ1NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    macci wrote:
    I think there is bias a bit here too. You're from Boston & will say Boston shows are better. I'm from the NY area & will say the MSg shows will be better.


    THEY CANT GET OVER THE FACT THAT THEIR TOWN IS NO WHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT AS NYC ;)
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    DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    macci wrote:
    I think there is bias a bit here too. You're from Boston & will say Boston shows are better. I'm from the NY area & will say the MSg shows will be better.

    Of course! You can't tell me it's not fun!
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    nukebootnukeboot Posts: 1,465
    I know that if I was taking the stage at MSG, the history of the place would be on my mind....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden#Concerts_and_live_performances
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    MILKwasAbadChoiceMILKwasAbadChoice Posts: 285
    The new Rock in Newark is better than boston and NYC haha. jk. i can't wait for MSG II.
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    pj0705pj0705 Posts: 189
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    THEY CANT GET OVER THE FACT THAT THEIR TOWN IS NO WHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT AS NYC ;)

    You New Yorkers are too easy...you get all riled up at the drop of a hat. You start hundreds of threads about how great MSG will be.

    We on the other hand just sit back, relax, and take in all the epic shows through the years.
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    pj0705pj0705 Posts: 189
    nukeboot wrote:
    I know that if I was taking the stage at MSG, the history of the place would be on my mind....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden#Concerts_and_live_performances

    While you guys are getting a history lesson at MSG, ill be getting a guitar lesson by McCready at the Tweeter..errr Comcast Center.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    you had to be there in 98 and 03
    yes great woods has had a tremendous run of shows
    but the energy of MSG is unmatched

    something about the arena settting as opposed to the ampitheater
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    NY PJ1NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    pj0705 wrote:
    You New Yorkers are too easy...you get all riled up at the drop of a hat. You start hundreds of threads about how great MSG will be.

    We on the other hand just sit back, relax, and take in all the epic shows through the years.


    im far from riled up

    i love the fact that u cats wish u were nyc ,,its too funny

    face it,,, never gonna be that way
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