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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited June 2010
    polaris_x wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?

    this makes no sense ... why do people constantly infer something that isn't there?

    the efficiency and standards of a prison system are a separate issue altogether and have absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why many of us are against capital punishment ...
    wow
    unreal

    i would like to know your knowledge/experience of a maximum security prison.
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    scb wrote:
    Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?
    you are beginning to frighten me.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,876
    polaris_x wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?

    this makes no sense ... why do people constantly infer something that isn't there?

    the efficiency and standards of a prison system are a separate issue altogether and have absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why many of us are against capital punishment ...


    I was just asking a question, I didn't infer anything.

    I don't think it's a separate issue at all. Keeping murderers in prison puts others at risk. It's a fact, you can't deny that. You can argue the level of risk and whether or not it is acceptable risk, but it certainly adds risk.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    practically on a daily basis and for 30 odd years my dad was at war with these evil beasts.
    he had his nuts kicked in so many time i can't count.
    piss, shit, and cum is filled in milk cartons and thrown on officers.
    officers are beat with industrial mop ringers to within an inch of their lives.

    escorting monsters to take a shower every other day or to exercise every other day is a nightmare.
    they are locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
    do you think they are nice people?
    they want to kill, rape, and torture until the day they die.

    because dad was who he was, his and his family's lives were threatened almost on a daily basis.
    the iowa state patrol surrounded our house once during a prison break.
    the inmate wanted to rape our mother, gouge our eyes out and slice all our throats before burning our home to the ground.

    do you believe the iowa state patrol and my dad were nice to this maniac when they caught up with him only a short distance from our home?

    to bad the bastard lived.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    wow
    unreal

    i would like to know your knowledge/experience of a maximum security prison.

    uhhh ... again - what the heck does that have to do with anything? ... tell me how not believing in capital punishment is:

    a) saying we want guards to be at risk and
    b) saying prisons are safe or not safe

    maybe if you explained why you think it's such a good thing or address the concerns people have posted instead of just figuring out a thousand ways you would kill someone - maybe we could have some insight into your opinion ... i look forward to that because up until then - you haven't said much ...
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    wow
    unreal

    i would like to know your knowledge/experience of a maximum security prison.

    uhhh ... again - what the heck does that have to do with anything? ... tell me how not believing in capital punishment is:

    a) saying we want guards to be at risk and
    b) saying prisons are safe or not safe

    maybe if you explained why you think it's such a good thing or address the concerns people have posted instead of just figuring out a thousand ways you would kill someone - maybe we could have some insight into your opinion ... i look forward to that because up until then - you haven't said much ...

    i've been wasting my days in this thread.
    i am out.
    have fun.
    and be well.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I was just asking a question, I didn't infer anything.

    I don't think it's a separate issue at all. Keeping murderers in prison puts others at risk. It's a fact, you can't deny that. You can argue the level of risk and whether or not it is acceptable risk, but it certainly adds risk.

    you are infering that people who are opposed to capital punishment believe security guards should be at risk ... you are basically saying:

    oppose capital punishment = ok for prison guards to be at risk

    it's like me saying ... you like sharks? ... therefore you are ok with surfers dying from sharks ... they are two separate things ...

    opposing capital punishment has nothing to do with our viewpoints on security at prisons ...
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Jason P wrote:
    scb wrote:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128017555&sc=17&f=1001

    Death Row Inmate Gets Chance To Prove Innocence
    by Kathy Lohr

    - June 23, 2010

    ............

    Saw this story this morning and thought it was relevant. Thoughts?
    I say let him prove his innocence or sit in the cell for the rest of his life. It's been 20 years. Let him sit for another 50 unless he can prove his innocence.

    But I feel he should only get the basic necessities. No TV, no radio. Just food, bed, and a toilet.

    Are you saying you think they should revoke his death penalty sentence?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cincybearcat wrote:
    scb wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    why do you care about these monsters?

    I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
    ed243421 wrote:
    where do you want these people?

    In prison.

    So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?

    No. My cousin is a prison guard and my dad used to work at a prison and my friend got nearly killed in a prison riot. I think we need total prison reform. The death penalty doesn't get rid of violence in prisons anyway.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    ed243421 wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?

    scb
    that is how chadwick expresses his anger towards murderers
    i understand that

    he is a much better person than any murderer
    don't you agree?

    You didn't answer the question. I can't really comment about whether chadwick is a better person than any murderer - I don't know him, and it's not really for me to judge anyway. For all I know, he may be a murderer himself.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    chadwick wrote:
    practically on a daily basis and for 30 odd years my dad was at war with these evil beasts.
    he had his nuts kicked in so many time i can't count.
    piss, shit, and cum is filled in milk cartons and thrown on officers.
    officers are beat with industrial mop ringers to within an inch of their lives.

    escorting monsters to take a shower every other day or to exercise every other day is a nightmare.
    they are locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
    do you think they are nice people?
    they want to kill, rape, and torture until the day they die.

    because dad was who he was, his and his family's lives were threatened almost on a daily basis.
    the iowa state patrol surrounded our house once during a prison break.
    the inmate wanted to rape our mother, gouge our eyes out and slice all our throats before burning our home to the ground.

    do you believe the iowa state patrol and my dad were nice to this maniac when they caught up with him only a short distance from our home?

    to bad the bastard lived.

    I'm sorry that happened to your dad and your family. Must have made for quite a frightening childhood.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    scb wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    practically on a daily basis and for 30 odd years my dad was at war with these evil beasts.
    he had his nuts kicked in so many time i can't count.
    piss, shit, and cum is filled in milk cartons and thrown on officers.
    officers are beat with industrial mop ringers to within an inch of their lives.

    escorting monsters to take a shower every other day or to exercise every other day is a nightmare.
    they are locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
    do you think they are nice people?
    they want to kill, rape, and torture until the day they die.

    because dad was who he was, his and his family's lives were threatened almost on a daily basis.
    the iowa state patrol surrounded our house once during a prison break.
    the inmate wanted to rape our mother, gouge our eyes out and slice all our throats before burning our home to the ground.

    do you believe the iowa state patrol and my dad were nice to this maniac when they caught up with him only a short distance from our home?

    to bad the bastard lived.

    I'm sorry that happened to your dad and your family. Must have made for quite a frightening childhood.


    on the contrary.
    i knew my brothers and i were protected by the ole man and our mom.
    in fact, what it did do was instill great values and respect into each of us.
    it taught us to not fuck around with the evils of mankind.

    a bullet into the pea brain of evil is swift justice.

    wait... i thought i left this thread :?

    btw, childhood for us was amazing.
    the only time we were affraid was when we would fight one another with crude blunt weaponry.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    scb wrote:
    You didn't answer the question. I can't really comment about whether chadwick is a better person than any murderer - I don't know him, and it's not really for me to judge anyway. For all I know, he may be a murderer himself.

    i will tell you what i murder.
    i murder the green buds i inhale almost on a daily basis.
    i can kill a bong hit faster than you can blink your innocent little eyes.
    they are burnt to death as a sacrifice and inhaled for my soul's insight.

    i do not kill flies, ants, or any other bugs.
    no spiders are smashed in my home ever.
    i would never harm an animal.
    snakes and other reptiles are worshipped.

    when a child molester or some low life is put to death
    i sleep like a baby dreaming of cloud castles in the sky.

    true fact.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    good morning my fellow death penalty debating team members.
    how are you wonderful people this morning?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    good morning my fellow death penalty debating team members.
    how are you wonderful people this morning?

    feeling good ... the sun shines and the sky is a sharp blue ... 8-)
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    good morning my fellow death penalty debating team members.
    how are you wonderful people this morning?

    feeling good ... the sun shines and the sky is a sharp blue ... 8-)
    that is fantastic.
    a perfect day for mean crazy people hunting.
    :lol:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    that is fantastic.
    a perfect day for mean crazy people hunting.
    :lol:

    you enjoy that ... i'll be with all the peacenik hippies sipping sun-brewed ice tea eating free range fried chicken ... :lol:
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    that is fantastic.
    a perfect day for mean crazy people hunting.
    :lol:

    you enjoy that ... i'll be with all the peacenik hippies sipping sun-brewed ice tea eating free range fried chicken ... :lol:
    oh i love hippies and peace
    i really really love free range fried chicken
    can i come?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    oh i love hippies and peace
    i really really love free range fried chicken
    can i come?

    of course you can come ... if we can clear your mind of wanting to pitchfork murderers for 10 mins ... it will be well worth it ... ;)
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    oh i love hippies and peace
    i really really love free range fried chicken
    can i come?

    of course you can come ... if we can clear your mind of wanting to pitchfork murderers for 10 mins ... it will be well worth it ... ;)
    tell you what i'll do
    i'll even give you 11 minutes of no pitchforking maniacs
    i hope we are smokin killer green festival blend???
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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