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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    ed243421 wrote:
    there is too much sympathy for the murders here

    and not enough for the victims

    This assumption is offensive.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    sad story.
    he is not doing society one bit of good.
    his life has been shit since day one.
    what is the answer, cate?

    I know! I know! Kill him! Kill him!

    let me ask you this......do you think it just to execute the criminally insane?
    criminally insane people are executed all the time.
    you butcher some chic and fashion purses out of her breasts and run around your house wearing her skin,
    then yes you are bat shit crazy (or criminally insane) and should be put down.
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  • _
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    Godfather. wrote:
    as for me i honestly don't know if it's o.k to take a human life for any reason..I really don't know ?

    Godfather.

    You have said that Christianity holds the answers to all life's questions. So what would Jesus do?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    so how about we put some mentally challenged kid that beat his little sister to death thinking he was just playing around but in reality he beat her to death?

    I just can't fathom your line of thinking. It's literally what's wrong with this world.

    your examples are now ridiculous.
    of course the mentally challenged child does not get a .357 bullet to the skull for beating his little sister to death.

    are you for real?
    with all due respect,
    i am positive you are scraping the bottom of the barrel for help with your little dialogue here.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    rapists, cold blood killers, and child predators are evil.
    they should be put out of their misery.
    end of story.
    see you in the morning.
    good night.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    scb wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    as for me i honestly don't know if it's o.k to take a human life for any reason..I really don't know ?

    Godfather.

    You have said that Christianity holds the answers to all life's questions. So what would Jesus do?


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  • _
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    This thread is sad. So much hatred & agression. It must be painful to go through life this way. It's bad for the soul. Regardless of the criminal, we should learn forgiveness for ourselves and our own well-being. Hatred & violence doesn't get us anywhere, as individuals or as a society. I agree that this is what's wrong with our world.

    The death penalty is barbaric, and most evolved, civilized societies have realized this already. Once we believe it's okay to kill another person against his/her will, there is very little difference between us and the murderers. Everyone thinks their reason for killing is a good one - yet we're so quick to condemn the reasons of others, including other governments who use the death penalty. It's just amazing to me that we can think that we are SO different & so obviously right but others are so obviously wrong. Killing for "good" reason is such a slippery slope.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    scb wrote:
    This thread is sad. So much hatred & agression. It must be painful to go through life this way. It's bad for the soul. Regardless of the criminal, we should learn forgiveness for ourselves and our own well-being. Hatred & violence doesn't get us anywhere, as individuals or as a society. I agree that this is what's wrong with our world.

    The death penalty is barbaric, and most evolved, civilized societies have realized this already. Once we believe it's okay to kill another person against his/her will, there is very little difference between us and the murderers. Everyone thinks their reason for killing is a good one - yet we're so quick to condemn the reasons of others, including other governments who use the death penalty. It's just amazing to me that we can think that we are SO different & so obviously right but others are so obviously wrong. Killing for "good" reason is such a slippery slope.
    ...
    i used to be for the death penalty... using a lot of the opinions expressed here as to why it in necessary.
    Then, i read about a Death Row inmate who was exonerated by new DNA Evidence. And innocent man spend time in prison... on Death Row... for a crime he did not commit. The Police and District Attorney's Office stacked the deck against him to close the case because of its heinous nature. It was a political issue based upon the D.A.'s conviction rate and the lead detective's desire for a promotion.
    I also asked myself if i could ever deliver the leathal dose to end another person's life... even one who was guilty of a horrible crime. My answer was, NO. So, I thought... how can I support something I could never go through with?
    Now, don't get me wrong, I am totally a law and order type of person that strongly believes justice and punishment are in order for those who are truely guilty. I know the maximum security prisons are horrible places and suitable punishment for horrible people.
    And thinking about the lessons Jesus Christ teaches... I somehow do not believe Jesus would ever argue for Capital punishment based upon monetary savings. He just doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.
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  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,741
    scb wrote:
    This thread is sad. So much hatred & agression. It must be painful to go through life this way. It's bad for the soul. Regardless of the criminal, we should learn forgiveness for ourselves and our own well-being. Hatred & violence doesn't get us anywhere, as individuals or as a society. I agree that this is what's wrong with our world.

    The death penalty is barbaric, and most evolved, civilized societies have realized this already. Once we believe it's okay to kill another person against his/her will, there is very little difference between us and the murderers. Everyone thinks their reason for killing is a good one - yet we're so quick to condemn the reasons of others, including other governments who use the death penalty. It's just amazing to me that we can think that we are SO different & so obviously right but others are so obviously wrong. Killing for "good" reason is such a slippery slope.

    scb
    know that i respect your opinion
    the only thing sad here is the original murder
    forgiveness is for everything except murder
    you say
    "Once we believe it's okay to kill another person against his/her will, there is very little difference between us and the murderers"
    i say
    once a person kills another person, that is their will, their decision in life, in my book when they murder, they decide their own fate to be executed, not us.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    :yawn: yada yada yada...all you humanitarians and you can't even talk to each other with out pushing your views on one another...human desire to win and take control,everybody has it and nobody knows what to do with it or with out it. :lol: we are a perfect example of the confusion that interrupts our judgment as a whole..
    we feel but don't know = opinion, I'll just watch from this point on.

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,877
    scb wrote:
    This thread is sad. So much hatred & agression. It must be painful to go through life this way. It's bad for the soul. Regardless of the criminal, we should learn forgiveness for ourselves and our own well-being. Hatred & violence doesn't get us anywhere, as individuals or as a society. I agree that this is what's wrong with our world.

    The death penalty is barbaric, and most evolved, civilized societies have realized this already. Once we believe it's okay to kill another person against his/her will, there is very little difference between us and the murderers. Everyone thinks their reason for killing is a good one - yet we're so quick to condemn the reasons of others, including other governments who use the death penalty. It's just amazing to me that we can think that we are SO different & so obviously right but others are so obviously wrong. Killing for "good" reason is such a slippery slope.


    Oh man could I take this thread in a different direction.

    Again, I see your point. I just disagree. Someone that has the ability to kill a child is capable of just about anything. I don't see the reason to keep them around and see if they do something in the future. And I never said that I'm right and anyone's wrong. It's just how I know I feel about it, right or wrong.
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  • Eliot Rosewater
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    chadwick wrote:
    not everyone has a right to life.
    a monster does not have the right to life.
    If we're talking about rights.....I do not believe that anyone has the right to end the life of another. For any reason.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I find it odd that conservatives and liberals are split so decisively on abortion and the death penalty. Both end life.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    hey man, just trying to figure out where your "right to kill" ideals end. You said in the beginning "ALL murderers", so I was just asking a question. I don't need help with my stance. Your posts are all I need!
    chadwick wrote:
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    so how about we put some mentally challenged kid that beat his little sister to death thinking he was just playing around but in reality he beat her to death?

    I just can't fathom your line of thinking. It's literally what's wrong with this world.

    your examples are now ridiculous.
    of course the mentally challenged child does not get a .357 bullet to the skull for beating his little sister to death.

    are you for real?
    with all due respect,
    i am positive you are scraping the bottom of the barrel for help with your little dialogue here.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    not everyone has a right to life.
    a monster does not have the right to life.
    If we're talking about rights.....I do not believe that anyone has the right to end the life of another. For any reason.

    what rights does a child have that is murdered at the hands of a raving lunatic?
    and when i say murdered, i mean murdered only after being tortured, burned with cigarettes, force fed dog food and raped for a week or so.

    this is a monster, a maniac who deserve a swift bullet to the skull. i myself refuse to breathe the same air as this hate filled piece of trash.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    whoa, me thinks that's another thread entirely! :)
    Jason P wrote:
    I find it odd that conservatives and liberals are split so decisively on abortion and the death penalty. Both end life.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    this is the problem. you can't justify killing because of killing. tell me how you feel about someone being convicted who didn't do the crime. is it enough to justify the use of the death penalty? and you once said that if your brother was a filthy criminal, you'd support him being put to death. however, what if you believed he was being wrongfully accused and put to death. would you still support the death penalty then?
    chadwick wrote:
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    not everyone has a right to life.
    a monster does not have the right to life.
    If we're talking about rights.....I do not believe that anyone has the right to end the life of another. For any reason.

    what rights does a child have that is murdered at the hands of a raving lunatic?
    and when i say murdered, i mean murdered only after being tortured, burned with cigarettes, force fed dog food and raped for a week or so.

    this is a monster, a maniac who deserve a swift bullet to the skull. i myself refuse to breathe the same air as this hate filled piece of trash.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    hey man, just trying to figure out where your "right to kill" ideals end. You said in the beginning "ALL murderers", so I was just asking a question. I don't need help with my stance. Your posts are all I need!

    all murderers?
    naw man, not all murderers did it in cold blood fashion.

    a guy defending himself in an illegal backroom poker game in downtown chicago kills another.
    to me that is not cold blooded murder.
    but none the less it is murder so the guy gets 25 years to life.
    nicely done.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,877
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    whoa, me thinks that's another thread entirely! :)
    Jason P wrote:
    I find it odd that conservatives and liberals are split so decisively on abortion and the death penalty. Both end life.


    Looks like someone took this the direction I was alluding to. ;)
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    this is the problem. you can't justify killing because of killing. tell me how you feel about someone being convicted who didn't do the crime. is it enough to justify the use of the death penalty? and you once said that if your brother was a filthy criminal, you'd support him being put to death. however, what if you believed he was being wrongfully accused and put to death. would you still support the death penalty then?

    are you in a fantasy world.
    perhaps fantasy island?
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