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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    here's a reason to root for him next year:

    The Eagles received the Redskins’ second-round pick this year and a conditional fourth-round pick next year.

    The fourth-round pick can become a third-rounder if one of two conditions are met: McNabb is selected to the Pro Bowl or the Redskins win at least nine games with McNabb playing at least 70 percent of the snaps.

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    hopefully don has a helluva year and the skins still stink!
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    totally agree. don't forget about maclin and ingram too. their offense is loaded, just need to rebuild the d

    for those that don't like the trade, the eagles had to move mcnabb or lose him for nothing after this season since his contract is up. they were able to turn him into a top 40 pick in a loaded draft. mcnabb is too soft in big games, it's a good trade for the eagles

    not the issue.

    most, like me, agree it was time to move on to kolb.

    the issue is you could have gotten similiar value from a team not in your own division. now you have the eagles taking a step backwards (though not a huge step. all kolb has to be is average with the weapons we have) and the skins taking a big step forward (especially with shanahan as his coach--best possibly coach for don at this point in his career). they have struggled at the qb spot my entire life. we've given them the best qb they have had since joe thiesman. plus quality qb's are now playing well into their late 30's. don still has a big chunk of his career left. the skins already have a stout defense. they need to rebuild their line, probably add a decent wideout (TO! :lol: ---could happen), and hope their old rb's hold up and their in the mix for the the division title.

    i agree with jam pearls that 7-10 wins for us is possible. closer to 9 or 10, as i've been saying since the end of last year, if they stock up on quality on the defensive side with the 2nd wave of free agency and this deep draft. gotta wait till may to see what the team looks like.

    so the problem i have is not that we move onto our youth movement its that we make a division rival better in the process....3 years after making the cowboys better with the kolb/spencer draft day trade. i wonder who reid is thinking of shipping to the giants on draft day in a few weeks. :roll:

    The reason why he went to wash was very easy and it's why i said weeks ago that i think wash is a very possible landing spot. Although it's not the exact trade i would have made i love this trade. Tell me this WHY would u trade a so called franchise qb to a division rival??? Easy you know the player so well you'll know exactly what to do to throw him off. Secondly u don't think that the qb is as good as he once was and don't think he's that big of a threat even to a division opp. If reid and the eagles thought mcnabb still had that IT factor theres no way they would have traded him to wash. U talked about how great of a season he had this past year it really wasn't at all. He ranked 12th in qb rating 20th in qb comp % 17th in yds passing and tied for 13th in td passes. There not very good numbers for a guy who is considered a franchise qb and who is 33 yrs old and has had numerous injuries throught out his career. And as for us getting better offers theres NO WAY we could have gotten a better offer in less minnesota or arizona or SF stepped up to the plate,which they apparently didn't. Oak,Cle,STL offers if they were actually made might have been better if Mcnabb told them he'd sign an extension. And even though he didn't have a no trade clause he dictated this move. Why in the world would oak,or cle or stl give up a 2nd rd pick and a 3rd or 4th rd pick for mcnabb when he had no thought of resigning there. And if there is a next season with brees,brady and manning getting new deals the qb franchise tag would be right around 20 million a season. So what sense does it make to trade for a qb give up alot and only get a 3rd round pick in compostion in return after he didn't resign there the next year? Wash was the spot for 2 reasons they have a decent team with a great coach and mcnabb wants payback. And thats why wash gave up what they did and why 5 wanted to go there. There's no way the other teams deals would have been as good because of mcnabb held all the chips and the eagles knew it.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    totally agree. don't forget about maclin and ingram too. their offense is loaded, just need to rebuild the d

    for those that don't like the trade, the eagles had to move mcnabb or lose him for nothing after this season since his contract is up. they were able to turn him into a top 40 pick in a loaded draft. mcnabb is too soft in big games, it's a good trade for the eagles

    not the issue.

    most, like me, agree it was time to move on to kolb.

    the issue is you could have gotten similiar value from a team not in your own division. now you have the eagles taking a step backwards (though not a huge step. all kolb has to be is average with the weapons we have) and the skins taking a big step forward (especially with shanahan as his coach--best possibly coach for don at this point in his career). they have struggled at the qb spot my entire life. we've given them the best qb they have had since joe thiesman. plus quality qb's are now playing well into their late 30's. don still has a big chunk of his career left. the skins already have a stout defense. they need to rebuild their line, probably add a decent wideout (TO! :lol: ---could happen), and hope their old rb's hold up and their in the mix for the the division title.

    i agree with jam pearls that 7-10 wins for us is possible. closer to 9 or 10, as i've been saying since the end of last year, if they stock up on quality on the defensive side with the 2nd wave of free agency and this deep draft. gotta wait till may to see what the team looks like.

    so the problem i have is not that we move onto our youth movement its that we make a division rival better in the process....3 years after making the cowboys better with the kolb/spencer draft day trade. i wonder who reid is thinking of shipping to the giants on draft day in a few weeks. :roll:

    The reason why he went to wash was very easy and it's why i said weeks ago that i think wash is a very possible landing spot. Although it's not the exact trade i would have made i love this trade. Tell me this WHY would u trade a so called franchise qb to a division rival??? Easy you know the player so well you'll know exactly what to do to throw him off. Secondly u don't think that the qb is as good as he once was and don't think he's that big of a threat even to a division opp. If reid and the eagles thought mcnabb still had that IT factor theres no way they would have traded him to wash. U talked about how great of a season he had this past year it really wasn't at all. He ranked 12th in qb rating 20th in qb comp % 17th in yds passing and tied for 13th in td passes. There not very good numbers for a guy who is considered a franchise qb and who is 33 yrs old and has had numerous injuries throught out his career. And as for us getting better offers theres NO WAY we could have gotten a better offer in less minnesota or arizona or SF stepped up to the plate,which they apparently didn't. Oak,Cle,STL offers if they were actually made might have been better if Mcnabb told them he'd sign an extension. And even though he didn't have a no trade clause he dictated this move. Why in the world would oak,or cle or stl give up a 2nd rd pick and a 3rd or 4th rd pick for mcnabb when he had no thought of resigning there. And if there is a next season with brees,brady and manning getting new deals the qb franchise tag would be right around 20 million a season. So what sense does it make to trade for a qb give up alot and only get a 3rd round pick in compostion in return after he didn't resign there the next year? Wash was the spot for 2 reasons they have a decent team with a great coach and mcnabb wants payback. And thats why wash gave up what they did and why 5 wanted to go there. There's no way the other teams deals would have been as good because of mcnabb held all the chips and the eagles knew it.

    you pretty much stole my thunder here. I agree with everything in your response.

    The Eagles made the deal that helped them the most. There is no proof that an equivalent or better deal for mcnabb was on the table. I'm not worried about mcnabb or the redskins. The eagles may be taking a small step back in 2010 since they will be relying on so many young players. This mcnabb trade is the equivalent of taking a small step back to take 2 steps forward.

    shanahan is one of the most overrated coaches of all time. since elway retired he has won 1 fucking playoff game. and he looks like matt dillon in something about mary (after he gets his teeth whitened).

    the eagles will be fine...philly fans just need something to complain about. He was the best QB in eagles history, but I'm relieved that the mcnabb era is finally over
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:

    not the issue.

    most, like me, agree it was time to move on to kolb.

    the issue is you could have gotten similiar value from a team not in your own division. now you have the eagles taking a step backwards (though not a huge step. all kolb has to be is average with the weapons we have) and the skins taking a big step forward (especially with shanahan as his coach--best possibly coach for don at this point in his career). they have struggled at the qb spot my entire life. we've given them the best qb they have had since joe thiesman. plus quality qb's are now playing well into their late 30's. don still has a big chunk of his career left. the skins already have a stout defense. they need to rebuild their line, probably add a decent wideout (TO! :lol: ---could happen), and hope their old rb's hold up and their in the mix for the the division title.

    i agree with jam pearls that 7-10 wins for us is possible. closer to 9 or 10, as i've been saying since the end of last year, if they stock up on quality on the defensive side with the 2nd wave of free agency and this deep draft. gotta wait till may to see what the team looks like.

    so the problem i have is not that we move onto our youth movement its that we make a division rival better in the process....3 years after making the cowboys better with the kolb/spencer draft day trade. i wonder who reid is thinking of shipping to the giants on draft day in a few weeks. :roll:

    The reason why he went to wash was very easy and it's why i said weeks ago that i think wash is a very possible landing spot. Although it's not the exact trade i would have made i love this trade. Tell me this WHY would u trade a so called franchise qb to a division rival??? Easy you know the player so well you'll know exactly what to do to throw him off. Secondly u don't think that the qb is as good as he once was and don't think he's that big of a threat even to a division opp. If reid and the eagles thought mcnabb still had that IT factor theres no way they would have traded him to wash. U talked about how great of a season he had this past year it really wasn't at all. He ranked 12th in qb rating 20th in qb comp % 17th in yds passing and tied for 13th in td passes. There not very good numbers for a guy who is considered a franchise qb and who is 33 yrs old and has had numerous injuries throught out his career. And as for us getting better offers theres NO WAY we could have gotten a better offer in less minnesota or arizona or SF stepped up to the plate,which they apparently didn't. Oak,Cle,STL offers if they were actually made might have been better if Mcnabb told them he'd sign an extension. And even though he didn't have a no trade clause he dictated this move. Why in the world would oak,or cle or stl give up a 2nd rd pick and a 3rd or 4th rd pick for mcnabb when he had no thought of resigning there. And if there is a next season with brees,brady and manning getting new deals the qb franchise tag would be right around 20 million a season. So what sense does it make to trade for a qb give up alot and only get a 3rd round pick in compostion in return after he didn't resign there the next year? Wash was the spot for 2 reasons they have a decent team with a great coach and mcnabb wants payback. And thats why wash gave up what they did and why 5 wanted to go there. There's no way the other teams deals would have been as good because of mcnabb held all the chips and the eagles knew it.

    dude. he is a FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK which has been the achiles heel of the redskins for as long as we have been alive. we just solved our rival's main problem that has plagued that city since joe fucking theisman broke his body back in the early 80's. 12th in qb rating, 13th in td passes...you know there's 32 starting quarterbacks in this league right? he is still a top 10 qb. plus he is now with a coach who believes in RUNNING the football. elway was the same age and had a worse career completion percent when shanahan became his coach. 2 super bowls later (in his late 30's) he's now a hall of famer and shanahan is a future hall of famer. i said sunday the eagles were dumber than i thought. and if they truly believe what you said before about him not being that good, then i think they're dead wrong. the raiders were rumored to have offered the 39th pick. i am sure we could have finagled a 3rd or 4th rounder next year as well. the raiders make dumb moves like that every year. i would have taken slightly less to keep him out of our own division. there's a reason why you don't see blockbuster trades like this take place between division rivals.

    and the other guy called shanahan overrated overrated because his teams have struggled since elway left. it's a quarterback league dude. now he has this era's elway that he can mold into his kind of quarterback. he's got a legit franchise qb for the first time since elway retired. if they make the brandon marshal trade....look out. that is all i am saying.

    like i said--the birds will be okay. all kolb has to be is average. i have said since that 2nd dallas game ended that we are not as far away as most people think. we just gotta stockpile up on defensive talent in the 2nd free agent wave and draft and we might be in the mix again as early as next year. i just cannot agree with instantly making the redskins a playoff contender in the process though. cutting off your hand despite your face.

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  • jamminpearls
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    To compare Mcnabb to Elway is a joke. Elway and mcnabb were both mobile and had good arms thats all. Elway didn't choke at the end of the game. mcnabb feared the last drive while Elway lived for it. Thats a huge huge difference. U can compare brady to montana or manning to marino but this whole Mcnabb and elway thing is a joke no matter what anyone says or until Mcnabb actually does it when it matters. And Mcnabbs numbers weren't good for a qb that throws the ball way more then almost every qb in the game. And yes Go Phillies!!!!
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  • pjhawks
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    i love how illogical Eagle fans can be. the ones who wanted McNabb traded because we couldn't win with him (according to them not my thought) yet now think Washington has passed us by because they have him. You can't have it both ways - you can't run the guy out of town because you think he is no good then think the team he went to is all of sudden going to be really good because you sent him there. Twisted freakin logic there boys. 95% of Eagle fans are such morons and make it hard to cheer for this team.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    cutting off your hand despite your face.

    This made me laugh. I think you got that saying wrong

    The skins suck with or without mcnabb. he isn't going to solve their problems. They aren't getting better via the draft.

    check this out (from mel kiper)...

    It's simply a fact that aside from their No. 4 pick, the Skins have largely traded out of this draft. They now don't have any other picks within the top 100, and with the current crop of talent, that No. 37 pick the Eagles just picked up is practically a first-rounder. The McNabb pick-up may become a great success story in Washington, but the organization -- regardless of who has been in charge under Dan Snyder -- keeps kicking draft choices to the curb, and the roster has and will suffer. It's nice to pick up great players, but it's not the way to build a great team. You simply have to emphasize the draft.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    To compare Mcnabb to Elway is a joke. Elway and mcnabb were both mobile and had good arms thats all. Elway didn't choke at the end of the game. mcnabb feared the last drive while Elway lived for it. Thats a huge huge difference. U can compare brady to montana or manning to marino but this whole Mcnabb and elway thing is a joke no matter what anyone says or until Mcnabb actually does it when it matters. And Mcnabbs numbers weren't good for a qb that throws the ball way more then almost every qb in the game. And yes Go Phillies!!!!

    Totally agree. McNabb gets the ball, 2 minutes left, down 7 vs Arizona in the NFC title game in 2009. As an Eagle fan I knew that game was over. A great QB isn't supposed to give a fan base that type of feeling.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    i love how illogical Eagle fans can be. the ones who wanted McNabb traded because we couldn't win with him (according to them not my thought) yet now think Washington has passed us by because they have him. You can't have it both ways - you can't run the guy out of town because you think he is no good then think the team he went to is all of sudden going to be really good because you sent him there. Twisted freakin logic there boys. 95% of Eagle fans are such morons and make it hard to cheer for this team.

    your last sentence is off. I think it's more like 99%
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    I guess brian baldinger agrees with me and jamminpearls...here's his quote

    The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course.
  • Corduroyboy
    Corduroyboy Posts: 1,256
    pjhawks wrote:
    95% of Eagle fans are such morons and make it hard to cheer for this team.

    I think you are confusing the Eagles with the Raiders.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Fixer wrote:
    cutting off your hand despite your face.

    This made me laugh. I think you got that saying wrong

    The skins suck with or without mcnabb. he isn't going to solve their problems. They aren't getting better via the draft.

    check this out (from mel kiper)...

    It's simply a fact that aside from their No. 4 pick, the Skins have largely traded out of this draft. They now don't have any other picks within the top 100, and with the current crop of talent, that No. 37 pick the Eagles just picked up is practically a first-rounder. The McNabb pick-up may become a great success story in Washington, but the organization -- regardless of who has been in charge under Dan Snyder -- keeps kicking draft choices to the curb, and the roster has and will suffer. It's nice to pick up great players, but it's not the way to build a great team. You simply have to emphasize the draft.
    Wash will prob be 6-10 to 8-8. At best imo they have a good def but changing to the 3-4 without a good nosetackle is dumb especially when they spent way to much money on fat albert last year. They have 3 old as hell nfl rbs and te coming off a injury and no scary wrs.will they be better with 5 I'd say yes but not even close to what some are saying. Donovan was a great qb here but he sure as hell lost more then a step imo.
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  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    cutting off your hand despite your face.

    This made me laugh. I think you got that saying wrong

    The skins suck with or without mcnabb. he isn't going to solve their problems. They aren't getting better via the draft.

    check this out (from mel kiper)...

    It's simply a fact that aside from their No. 4 pick, the Skins have largely traded out of this draft. They now don't have any other picks within the top 100, and with the current crop of talent, that No. 37 pick the Eagles just picked up is practically a first-rounder. The McNabb pick-up may become a great success story in Washington, but the organization -- regardless of who has been in charge under Dan Snyder -- keeps kicking draft choices to the curb, and the roster has and will suffer. It's nice to pick up great players, but it's not the way to build a great team. You simply have to emphasize the draft.
    Wash will prob be 6-10 to 8-8. At best imo they have a good def but changing to the 3-4 without a good nosetackle is dumb especially when they spent way to much money on fat albert last year. They have 3 old as hell nfl rbs and te coming off a injury and no scary wrs.will they be better with 5 I'd say yes but not even close to what some are saying. Donovan was a great qb here but he sure as hell lost more then a step imo.

    I agree..he's an upgrade obviously over Campbell but that team isn't just hurting at one position

    I still think it is stupid to trade a guy in the division
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  • Phantom Pain
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    New Redskins Logo after the McNabb trade announced


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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    pjhawks wrote:
    i love how illogical Eagle fans can be. the ones who wanted McNabb traded because we couldn't win with him (according to them not my thought) yet now think Washington has passed us by because they have him. You can't have it both ways - you can't run the guy out of town because you think he is no good then think the team he went to is all of sudden going to be really good because you sent him there. Twisted freakin logic there boys. 95% of Eagle fans are such morons and make it hard to cheer for this team.

    if you're talking about me you obviously have not paid attention to anything i have said in this thread...or last year's thread...or the one before that...or the one before that....or the one before that. you get the picture.
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  • The Juggler
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    jamminpearls wrote:
    To compare Mcnabb to Elway is a joke. Elway and mcnabb were both mobile and had good arms thats all. Elway didn't choke at the end of the game. mcnabb feared the last drive while Elway lived for it. Thats a huge huge difference. U can compare brady to montana or manning to marino but this whole Mcnabb and elway thing is a joke no matter what anyone says or until Mcnabb actually does it when it matters. And Mcnabbs numbers weren't good for a qb that throws the ball way more then almost every qb in the game. And yes Go Phillies!!!!

    obviously the end of the game heroics is the huge difference between the two.

    but if you look at their stats for their first 11 years in the leageu they are earily similiar. mcnabb's completion percentage is actually 2 or 3% higher than elways. and that was my point in saying that shanahan is the absolute best coach for him at this point in their careers. they are similiar in that they both had cannons for arms, threw great deep balls, and were not the most accurage of passers. put don on a team that emphasizes the run, give him a pro bowl tight end, some young receivers, a stout defense, improve the o-line....then yes i think he has a shot at having similiar success that elway had at the end of his career.
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  • The Juggler
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    The Fixer wrote:
    cutting off your hand despite your face.

    This made me laugh. I think you got that saying wrong

    The skins suck with or without mcnabb. he isn't going to solve their problems. They aren't getting better via the draft.

    check this out (from mel kiper)...

    It's simply a fact that aside from their No. 4 pick, the Skins have largely traded out of this draft. They now don't have any other picks within the top 100, and with the current crop of talent, that No. 37 pick the Eagles just picked up is practically a first-rounder. The McNabb pick-up may become a great success story in Washington, but the organization -- regardless of who has been in charge under Dan Snyder -- keeps kicking draft choices to the curb, and the roster has and will suffer. It's nice to pick up great players, but it's not the way to build a great team. You simply have to emphasize the draft.

    i would think shanahan will wield some power down there.

    yeah i think i did jumble up that line
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  • The Juggler
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    edited April 2010
    The Fixer wrote:
    I guess brian baldinger agrees with me and jamminpearls...here's his quote

    The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course.

    cool. should i start posting comments from other nfl analysts, who did not lose their announcing jobs last year like baldinger, who feel otherwise? :lol::mrgreen:

    lots of different opinions out there man.
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  • The Juggler
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    Phantom Pain wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    cutting off your hand despite your face.

    This made me laugh. I think you got that saying wrong

    The skins suck with or without mcnabb. he isn't going to solve their problems. They aren't getting better via the draft.

    check this out (from mel kiper)...

    It's simply a fact that aside from their No. 4 pick, the Skins have largely traded out of this draft. They now don't have any other picks within the top 100, and with the current crop of talent, that No. 37 pick the Eagles just picked up is practically a first-rounder. The McNabb pick-up may become a great success story in Washington, but the organization -- regardless of who has been in charge under Dan Snyder -- keeps kicking draft choices to the curb, and the roster has and will suffer. It's nice to pick up great players, but it's not the way to build a great team. You simply have to emphasize the draft.
    Wash will prob be 6-10 to 8-8. At best imo they have a good def but changing to the 3-4 without a good nosetackle is dumb especially when they spent way to much money on fat albert last year. They have 3 old as hell nfl rbs and te coming off a injury and no scary wrs.will they be better with 5 I'd say yes but not even close to what some are saying. Donovan was a great qb here but he sure as hell lost more then a step imo.

    I agree..he's an upgrade obviously over Campbell but that team isn't just hurting at one position

    I still think it is stupid to trade a guy in the division

    agreed. the skins need some help like i mentioned. but don was at his best with a defense that keeps them in games even with sub par weapons on offense. now he has that same thing...just with a better coach. we should have shipped him out of the conference.
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  • jamminpearls
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    Jeags
    I would agree with you about mcnabb and a stout def if we were talkn about the Mcnabb from 3yrs ago or so. he's not the same qb anymore,he dosen't run he's scared to through a ball in a small window. He's so much a woe is me guy it makes me sick. His presser yesterday was about the biggiest joke i've heard in a long time. He is an excuse maker and a cry baby and for that i'm happy another organzation and fans will understand what we've seen the last 1-3yrs here. He's was an amazing qb here and i hope he one day makes it into the HOF.
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