Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

Vedder316 · July 2008

Shawn Smith Collective wrote:

Dude, Eddie isn't telling people they can't or shouldn't join the military. He's voicing his personal opinion of things and just not allowing them to recruit in an unauthorized manner at his concert. See, that would imply an endorsement by the band and/or the venue. That's not cool. That could be construed as the recruiter using deceipt to sign those very people you claim "do not think for themselves."

Every business operating at a venue has gone to great lengths to do so...the concessionaires, any charity booths, Verizon, etc. You can't just set up shop because you want to.

What he's saying about taking care of his people...fans come to the show to enjoy the band, not be solicited by a recruiter that isn't following rules. If they want to join the military, they can still do so. We'll all be ok even if this guy can't convert a Lib Pearl Jam fan or two at a concert.

Was the recruiter there in an unauthorized manner? If he was I apologize but I did not see that confirmed anywhere.

ajedigecko · July 2008

all due respect......and i am making a guess. i would venture to say that the recuiter simply dislikes pearl jam and this was his way of displaying his discourse. i may be horribly incorrect though. it just seems to be the only logical reason.
has anyone witnessed the same activity at any other "anti-war" music bands?

Vedder316 · July 2008

sgossard3 wrote:

yah... some of them throw puppies off cliffs

Uncalled for and disgusting.

ONCE DEVIDED · July 2008

I will ask the question WHY ARE THE MARINES THERE in the first place. Why because their numbers are stretched to breaking point. why is that
GWB and his war based on lies. The Iraq war is why numbers are down. Many killed or injured, leaving the real war against terrorism in afganistan suffering.

since when do they have recruiters at rocknroll shows.
I support all troops and wish ffor them to be used WHEN REQUIRED not for oil

John Briggs 2008 · July 2008

Ed is an American and has a right to express his freedom of speech just as much as that Marine Recruiter tent was allowed there. I am not biased to this at all. To say Ed makes things more dangerous is a bit over the top in my view though. Support your troops, support peace. You can do both ya know.

LikeAnOcean · July 2008

I go on this belief firmly.. people should not have to be recruited, but rather look to join themselves..

If you have to persuade someone to fight a battle, that battle is not worth fighting..

You want recruits? Fight a real unfabricated war.. people would line up, guarunteed.

Kilgore_Trout · July 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I go on this belief firmly.. people should not have to be recruited, but rather look to join themselves..

If you have to persuade someone to fight a battle, that battle is not worth fighting..

You want recruits? Fight a real unfabricated war.. people would line up, guarunteed.

agreed... they had no problem getting people during WWII

Vedder316 · July 2008

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Ed is an American and has a right to express his freedom of speech just as much as that Marine Recruiter tent was allowed there. I am not biased to this at all. To say Ed makes things more dangerous is a bit over the top in my view though. Support your troops, support peace. You can do both ya know.

I agree the post title was a bit over the top. I do support peace. i pray for it every night, but we still need them for when the next Hurricane, earthquake, terrorist attacks hit among many other things. If we where not involved in a bullshit war would Ed have them removed???

mfc22 · July 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I go on this belief firmly.. people should not have to be recruited, but rather look to join themselves..

If you have to persuade someone to fight a battle, that battle is not worth fighting..

You want recruits? Fight a real unfabricated war.. people would line up, guarunteed.

areed friend

Surf Rider · July 2008

One thing I can tell you is, don't be such a hypocrite. You talk of great ol' America and then think Ed has no right to speak his mind. You are contradicting yourself. Ed can and has proved he will say what he wants, when he wants and if people don't like it ( in Ed's own words ) FUCK EM!

It's Pearl Jam's concert, so we'll go by Pearl Jam's rules. Obviously no recruiters is a rule they have. Kaboom, I love it and I can't quit laughing at the thought of them packing up there shit and hitting the exit gate. If anyone has this on video tape, can I do a B&P?

Ed loves his country. It's like when you love your kids, if they do something wrong, you tell them. You don't sit quite and let them hurt themselves and others. You try and do something to help. America is wrong for this war. If you can't see that by now, you are either dumb, or your trying to save face.

For the record I have relatives in Iraq, and I support them. The only reason to be against a war is so people don't die. So how could I not be for the troops? I don't want them to die. That makes me the bad guy, how wierd is that?

Vedder316 · July 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I go on this belief firmly.. people should not have to be recruited, but rather look to join themselves..

If you have to persuade someone to fight a battle, that battle is not worth fighting..

You want recruits? Fight a real unfabricated war.. people would line up, guarunteed.

So screw the people that have to fight this current fabricated war and wait for an unfabricated one? Let their health, will, and numbers wilt and wait for a unfabricated war to sign up? Let the families of the current troops wait a couple more years to see them because no one is signing up? I wish we didn't have to worry about how many troops we need, but we do. Its just one screwed up situation. Damned if you do damned if you dont.

Surf Rider · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

So screw the people that have to fight this current fabricated war and wait for an unfabricated one? Let their health, will, and numbers wilt and wait for a unfabricated war to sign up? Let the families of the current troops wait a couple more years to see them because no one is signing up? I wish we didn't have to worry about how many troops we need, but we do. Its just one screwed up situation. Damned if you do damned if you dont.

Would you send your own 18 year old daughter or son?

Given2Fly...SD · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

It really isn't making an immediate impact, but if more people thought like Ed it would. You don't see how lower troop numbers can make the US a more dangerous place? Another reason it make more of a danger is because here we have people making assumptions for us and it adds to the number of people who do not think for them selves. Thats how the leaders we have now get away with all the crap they do. And as for the UNAUTHORIZED SOLICITATION the band doesn't own the venue. It's not fear mongering just a discussion. Take care.

First, If more people thought like Ed it would be progress. Second, the size of a nations army does not dictate its safety. Technology, intelligence, and training provided of the army does. This is where our nation is lacking, well at least in some areas. Our technology is advanced, but why aren't our troops properly equipped? Intelligence is slowly decreasing in many areas, 1. initial test scores for the armed forces has been decreasing. 2. our defense intelligence is also decreasing. Finally, proper training requirements have been expedited as well as decreasing standards.
Also, we always have people making assumptions for us...they're called politicians. That's how politicians work. Frankly, I still don't understand how Eddie voicing his opinion would make this country in more danger.

Vedder316 · July 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

One thing I can tell you is, don't be such a hypocrite. You talk of great ol' America and then think Ed has no right to speak his mind. You are contradicting yourself. Ed can and has proved he will say what he wants, when he wants and if people don't like it ( in Ed's own words ) FUCK EM!

It's Pearl Jam's concert, so we'll go by Pearl Jam's rules. No videotaping is a rule they have and obviously no recruiters is a rule they have. Kaboom, I love it and I can't quit laughing at the thought of them packing up there shit and hitting the exit gate. If anyone has this on tape, can I do a B&P?

Ed loves his country. It's like when you love your kids, if they do something wrong, you tell them. You don't sit quite and let them hurt themselves and others. You try and do something to help. America is wrong for this war. If you can't see that by now, you are either dumb, or your trying to save face.

For the record I have relatives in Iraq, and I support them. The only reason to be against a war is so people don't die. So how could I not be for the troops? I don't want them to die. That makes me the bad guy, how wierd is that?

I never said Ed doesn't have the right to speak his mind. I applaud that. He could of let them stay and let people decide for themselves while expressing his opnion. I never stated or insinuated your a bad guy. And as for being a hypocrite I believe I heard a popular guy around these parts who spews "peace' telling someone "if you dont agree with me, Fuck you"

Surf Rider · July 2008

BOOOM wrote:

First, If more people thought like Ed it would be progress. Second, the size of a nations army does not dictate its safety. Technology, intelligence, and training provided of the army does. This is where our nation is lacking, well at least in some areas. Our technology is advanced, but why aren't our troops properly equipped? Intelligence is slowly decreasing in many areas, 1. initial test scores for the armed forces has been decreasing. 2. our defense intelligence is also decreasing. Finally, proper training requirements have been expedited as well as decreasing standards.
Also, we always have people making assumptions for us...they're called politicians. That's how politicians work. Frankly, I still don't understand how Eddie voicing his opinion would make this country in more danger.

what he said

John Briggs 2008 · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

I agree the post title was a bit over the top. I do support peace. i pray for it every night, but we still need them for when the next Hurricane, earthquake, terrorist attacks hit among many other things. If we where not involved in a bullshit war would Ed have them removed???

Probably not but then his feelings that our American troops are dying for a war he doesn't support would not exist either. Does that make sense? As I stated above, I am unbiased to this. I still stand by my belief that "We can support our troops and peace all in the same".

NumberTenOx · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

If we where not involved in a bullshit war would Ed have them removed???

LOL, honestly? Probably...

But don't take it personally. We should all hope for the day when we don't need an army - my guess is the soldiers will be the first in line for that ride. We need to have Eddie and the gang preaching peace, always.

Wouldn't it be great if we never had to use the military? If we actually relied on diplomacy (you know, actually talking to our enemies)? If we led the world by example instead of by force?

Vedder316 · July 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

Would you send your own 18 year old daughter or son?

If that was "THEIR" desire or goal to join the military, then yes. I would not like it but they are adults and I would support their goals. I would ensure they knew the risks and benefits of joining and have them research and develop their own decisions.

Vedder316 · July 2008

NumberTenOx wrote:

LOL, honestly? Probably...

But don't take it personally. We should all hope for the day when we don't need an army - my guess is the soldiers will be the first in line for that ride. We need to have Eddie and the gang preaching peace, always.

Wouldn't it be great if we never had to use the military? If we actually relied on diplomacy (you know, actually talking to our enemies)? If we led the world by example instead of by force?

Well said, as stated before I pray for the day.

Surf Rider · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

I never said Ed doesn't have the right to speak his mind. I applaud that. He could of let them stay and let people decide for themselves while expressing his opnion. I never stated or insinuated your a bad guy. And as for being a hypocrite I believe I heard a popular guy around these parts who spews "peace' telling someone "if you dont agree with me, Fuck you"

I know, isn't it great. Ed has the freedom to say FUCK YOU. Thats America, now your getting it. Ed didn't say those people should shut up, he's saying he'll say what he wants. See fuck em in that context means I'll say what I want. Pearl Jam has the right to bounce the recruiters aswell as give a speech about it, it's Pearl Jam's concert. You noticed they bounced em' didn't you.

Conversation over - you just compaired someone telling someone fuck you to people dropping bombs on other people. I'm outta this thread. lame.

Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

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